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Ben Tate done for season (Broken Ankle)
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
OK, now I'm depressed. I guess we'll just to wait and see. Right now it looks like we'll have to depend on Foster this year. Until Slaton quits fumbling, he'll remain on my **** list. Henry looked like crap, and J. Johnson looked good against their 3rds.
We need next two games to sort out this RB situation.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Steelers lost Rashard Mendenhall, their first round pick, during his rookie
year, and still won Superbowl. When Ben went down, I felt bad for Ben,
but for the Texans' production at halfback. We still seem to have
two more realistic options, and one scatback.
As good as Jacoby Jones and Dickerson looked last night, this offense
shouldn't miss a beat. It took Moulden two seasons to recover from
a shattered ankle, so here's hoping Ben makes a speedy recovery.
year, and still won Superbowl. When Ben went down, I felt bad for Ben,
but for the Texans' production at halfback. We still seem to have
two more realistic options, and one scatback.
As good as Jacoby Jones and Dickerson looked last night, this offense
shouldn't miss a beat. It took Moulden two seasons to recover from
a shattered ankle, so here's hoping Ben makes a speedy recovery.
Texas T
Veteran
I didn't get to see the game (being in NJ and all) but I've got the DVR set up for a 1 a.m. replay.
That being said when I saw this I was very disappointed. I was really looking forward to Ben being our RB of the future. Especially with Slaton still fumbling.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll come out of this with a vengeance next year or whenever he can come back.
That being said when I saw this I was very disappointed. I was really looking forward to Ben being our RB of the future. Especially with Slaton still fumbling.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll come out of this with a vengeance next year or whenever he can come back.
Foster & JJ both undrafted FAs the Texans signed. Let's just not invest anymore high draft picks in backs because it's too easy for them to get banged up, especially in the NFL.
As for Slaton, I thought he looked good until the fumble. Ok maybe that's like saying Chicago was doin fine untile the fire, or San Fran was OK until the earthquake, but let's give some more time before we write him off ? Still 3 more weeks of preseaon, 3 more preseason games.
As for Slaton, I thought he looked good until the fumble. Ok maybe that's like saying Chicago was doin fine untile the fire, or San Fran was OK until the earthquake, but let's give some more time before we write him off ? Still 3 more weeks of preseaon, 3 more preseason games.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'm not writing him off, because we all know and have seen what he is capable of. But that doesn't get him off my **** list however. LOL
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I know. How likely is ligament damage with no fracture? Would that be a better scenario in terms of recovery time?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
What about the often-claimed phrase "It's better, in the long run in terms of recovery and future stability, to have broken it instead of fractured it"?
Is that a an urban legend? My wife played volleyball and has always said that it's better to have a break than a fracture. Have just always wondered if this is true or not.
Is that a an urban legend? My wife played volleyball and has always said that it's better to have a break than a fracture. Have just always wondered if this is true or not.
Goatcheese
Texan
I thought Slaton ran well considering what he had to work with. Every touch up until the 
he broke a few tackles, often in the backfield. It was just that once Schaub to AJ wasn't an issue they switched from playing the pass to defending the run, so there weren't many good running lanes for him to go through for easy yards. He pulled positive yards out of a wall of defenders in the backfield a couple of times, and picked up a nice gain a few times when it looked like there was nothing there.
Obviously the fumble left everyone shaking their head, but it's still just one fumble until he shows it's a trend. Kubes will have him on a shorter leash when he's not carrying the ball securely, but I think he's still going to get his chance.
he broke a few tackles, often in the backfield. It was just that once Schaub to AJ wasn't an issue they switched from playing the pass to defending the run, so there weren't many good running lanes for him to go through for easy yards. He pulled positive yards out of a wall of defenders in the backfield a couple of times, and picked up a nice gain a few times when it looked like there was nothing there. Obviously the fumble left everyone shaking their head, but it's still just one fumble until he shows it's a trend. Kubes will have him on a shorter leash when he's not carrying the ball securely, but I think he's still going to get his chance.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
First thing that jumped to mind when reading this was the potential lockout.
Is is just me or does anyone else feel like their IQ went up 10 pts after reading CnD's posts
Well, we've got 3 more weeks of camp and 3 other p/s games to find out how bad this impacts the running game. And there have got to be tons of other RBs to bring in to compete for that 4th RB spot. Right now it's still Foster/Slaton/Johnson/Henry. If our line improves, that might be enough.
What I don't get is how it happened. The tackler grabbed Tate by his ankle; was that enough to do the damage or did he land on that joint during the tackle and that's what broke it??
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
GP,
In medical terminology, a fracture of a bone and a broken bone are synonymous. Lay people assign all sorts of specific meanings (although incorrectly) to these terms. Sometimes, I've seen partial break assigned to one to distiguish it from complete separation break . Other times, I've seen a "clean" break assigned to one to distinguish it from a comminuted (multiple pieces) break assigned to the other. If your wife is trying to say that a "clean" break [her term-"a break"] is better to have sustained than a comminuted (multiple fragmentation) break [her term-"a fracture"], then she is correct.
Do you still have faith in what McClain says? I know he said he thinks Ben is done for the year with a broken ankle, but I will wait for the official report.
I was thinking the same thing. I recall all the uproar when we had a chance to snag him but traded down and ended up with Slaton.
Any of you draftniks or waiver wire bloodhounds out there know of anyone that we could bring in?
Is is just me or does anyone else feel like their IQ went up 10 pts after reading CnD's posts
Well, we've got 3 more weeks of camp and 3 other p/s games to find out how bad this impacts the running game. And there have got to be tons of other RBs to bring in to compete for that 4th RB spot. Right now it's still Foster/Slaton/Johnson/Henry. If our line improves, that might be enough.
What I don't get is how it happened. The tackler grabbed Tate by his ankle; was that enough to do the damage or did he land on that joint during the tackle and that's what broke it??
Agree with what you are saying. His posts are wonderful to read and very enlightening, but you give too much credit to the mental capacity of some of us.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
It's all about strategy. A great line can make a crappy back look good but the reverse is also true. A great back can make a crappy line look good.
You never know which RB is going to get injured. So you need your overall talent level to be high and it's a helluva risk thinking you're going to get talented UDFA's like Foster and Johnson. If you look at the top RBs in the league, most of them are high round draft choices. OTOH, if you look at starting offensive linemen, more of them are UDFA and low round draft choices.
Therefore, despite stories of players like Terrell Davis and Arian Foster, you have a higher chance of having a good line with UDFAs and low round draft choices than you have of finding a good running back down there.
GP
Go Texans!
Yes, that's what she meant. Thank you for taking the time to respond. You might need to create a new user name on here, to catch a break from our inquiries.
We should have a donate button that let's us contribute to CND!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
I wonder if Larry Johnson would have been a good pickup, had we shown interest in him?
Or maybe even Thomas Jones? But he slipped away.
Cedric Benson? I know, know: legal problems.
Willie Parker? Signed with someone else.
(Sigh)
You're always going to have a RB problem, IMO. It's never-ending.
This made me literally laugh out loud. And I agree.
I did a quick Google search and it looks like all the veteran F/A RB names I recognized have signed on with someone already. WalterFootball has a decent list that was updated on 8/13.
Thanks for the info CND.
Atleast Tate will have 2 seasons to get healthy.
The looming lockout may work in Tate's favor.
Atleast Tate will have 2 seasons to get healthy.
The looming lockout may work in Tate's favor.
Willie Parker or Ryan Torrain will probably be cut by the Redskins.
I bet Henry and Johnson slept better last night than they have in weeks.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
i just re-watched the play multiple times where Tate got injured... didn't look like there was much there that should've caused an injury? Did I miss something?
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The defender wrapped Ben up by his ankles, and momentum drove the
front of his foot into the ground, WHILE rolling over. It must have
snapped his ankle. Complete freak accident during a legal tackle.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
The regime has egg on their face. Their failure to secure a veteran Rb made them reach for a RB early in draft and now the guy is done after one carry.
So the spendthrift ways cost them a 2nd and leaves them with Foster and a bumbling and fumbling loser like Slaton
thank god we have foster running well but we need more....now!!
So much for worrying about the durability of the vets...
...they wouldn't even commit 6million to get one of the plethora of vets available
shame on you mcnair and smithiak
but at least you have another excuse to go along with Cush's suspension
excuse after excuse for Gary the flatlining moron of a head coach
great OC but it's a fact that he is a loser of a head coach
can't argue that either
guy is a big fat loser, period. It sucks but it's true
So the spendthrift ways cost them a 2nd and leaves them with Foster and a bumbling and fumbling loser like Slaton
thank god we have foster running well but we need more....now!!
So much for worrying about the durability of the vets...
...they wouldn't even commit 6million to get one of the plethora of vets available
shame on you mcnair and smithiak
but at least you have another excuse to go along with Cush's suspension
excuse after excuse for Gary the flatlining moron of a head coach
great OC but it's a fact that he is a loser of a head coach
can't argue that either
guy is a big fat loser, period. It sucks but it's true
GP
Go Texans!
If Torrain is available, it would be a GOOD pickup for us.
I watched the end of the Redskins-Bills game, and while it WAS 3rd stringers finishing out the game, Torrain was easily identifying the seams during the play and hitting that gap very quickly and with authority.
I think he could fit in here. I really do.
GP
Go Texans!
Man, just stop it already. Everyone knows when they see your avatar and user name what is going to be said.
You can't spend 95% of your posts by opening a can of whoop-ass on the team's leadership and then end it with a token "But here's something I think is OK" statement.
Even I know when to move on. Join me. It's liberating, SH. You won't have to give up your Hater Card all at once. Just a little piece of it at a time. Nobody is asking you to completely sell out all at once.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Hey look, another completely predictable post! You could possibly write a book, maybe title it something like "Gary Kubiak Is A Loser" I mean in your head nobody could argue that point right? After the success of your first book, you could follow it up with "Bob McNair Is Cheap" because again, nobody could argue that point with you could they?
Oh well, maybe you'll post something in the realm of reality in a month or two.
Don't agree with that at all. If you have a crappy line, it will just make a great back look crappy.
As for Slaton, I've totally lost faith in him. He's been moved to the "I'm worried that he's going to cough it up everytime he touches it" department". And I don't like players who are in that department . . at all.
The commentators were even worried about it even before the fumble, 'not tucking in the ball', 'turning his back to the defender', etc. And this is all after he spent the offseason supposedly concentrating on just one thing, protecting the ball. Lot of good that did.
Boy, what a difference one game makes. Now it's down to 'well, I hope Foster stays healthy or we're screwed'.
Don't hold you breath.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Truth hurts
they screwed up in not getting a vet RB
is it even up for debate after the Tate disaster?
they screwed up in not getting a vet RB
is it even up for debate after the Tate disaster?
That makes 0 sense. Don't even understand your point here.
TheDrifter
Rookie
GP
Go Texans!
Yeah, but what if we had acquired a RB (from your list) and he gets hurt, too?
Injuries happen. What if Schaub gets hurt and misses 8 games or more?
Freak stuff happens. Ask Charles Spencer.
I think what's angering most people about your post in this particular instance, is that you're leveraging freak injuries in order to support your theories.
I think it's border line "Bad fan" to use unforeseen and accidental situations to your advantage. It's like you're an ambulance chaser: "Gee whiz, sir, sorry you lost your wife in that accident back down the road...do you have legal counsel for what just happened a few minutes ago? I'd like to help you..."
I know we're all worried about the newly-created problem that Tate's injury presents us...but we're going to find a way to make things work. Trent Green of the St. Louis Rams got hurt and A guy named Kurt Warner popped up from pure obscurity to lead that team to a title.
Injuries do not discriminate. It's life. I hope a guy like Steve Slaton sees this and somehow gets his damn head screwed on straight: You might not get another chance, so make the best of it and do your job better than you have.
Right now, my main concern is will Ben Tate ever get to play and be able to show what he can do? One great run, and BAM! it's done. That, ladies and gents, sucks.
While it is true I would've prefered a vet. FA signing. Nobody has foresight to know who's going to get injured.
As far as the Kubes thing we're in agreement that Kubes isn't the guy to lead a team to a championship. But the tone you have seems to get koolaid drinkers blood pressure up.
This makes me LOL so keep it up.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I like how Tate getting injured is a perfect springboard for the crazies to say that it's the Texans fault.
I mean hell, my Madden franchise is the bomb now because I totally traded a bunch of 6th rounders for LaDanian Tomlinson and Thomas Jones. Hell I even got Shaun Alexander back and he's a BEAST NOW, don't you see how this is the Texans fault?
I mean hell, my Madden franchise is the bomb now because I totally traded a bunch of 6th rounders for LaDanian Tomlinson and Thomas Jones. Hell I even got Shaun Alexander back and he's a BEAST NOW, don't you see how this is the Texans fault?
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
Did someone wee-wee in your Cheerios this morning? Seriously, Gary Kubiak may not be the greatest football mind in NFL history, but the ferocity of your criticism of him is clearly excessive and over the top. Maybe you are just trying to get a rise out of people. Just saying.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Name the player they should've signed.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
They are the same yayhoos that thought carr's problem was the OL
so excuse me if I take all the hate with a grain of salt
I have always shot straight and will never adopt the sheeple mindset that afflicts some posters. Kubiak us what he is. A hc with a losing record over 5 years. That isn't an opinion or being a 'bad fan'. It's called being honest.
Kubiak has done a good job fostering the development of the passing ge but he is head coach and his results have had his team losing more than winning.
That isn't a take
it's a fact. So while you are posting about me and how horrible and evil I am, I will be posting truths, trends, and cold facts
I was right before amidst much witch hunting and I am right again
just get your excuses lined up...looks like we got some new ones coming down the proverbial pipe. This isn't about me, it's about failing to aim high and setting the bar at mediocrity and not going for championship in the regime
kubiak has shown nothing that he is a championship level hc to me
maybe it's just wishful thinking or blind myopia amongst some
I don't know and really don't care but it would be nice if being honest wasn't labeled as being a bad fan
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Taylor, tomlinson, or jones would have helped greatly
that is an opinion not a fact though
it is a fact that their plan has not worked out as planned
We haven't had a losing season in three years.
