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This game (Miami) will show what this team and coach is made of.

How many lines will be drawn in the sand?

This game (Titans) will show what this team and coach is made of...

I mean this game (Indy) will show what this team and coach is made of...

Wait, it's this game (JAX) will show what this team and coach is made of...

Forget that, this game (Fins) will show what this team and coach is made of...

We have a near full season of games that have shown what this team and coach are made of. My opinion won't change much because of this one game. It's one game of 16. How could it possibly trump the stretch of 4 divisional games the Texans choked away?

The Texans should defeat Miami. They have more talent. Miami is missing their starting QB & starting RB. Maybe they wouldn't have been a one year wonder had those guys been available all season?

By next week, New England will have clinched their division and will trot out their junior varsity team. And we will have Texan fans proclaim that game as the definitive contest in team history. After that win, the Texans will finish 9-7 and probably lose the wild card berth on a tiebreak. More fans will point to this as proof that the team is close. On the right track.

No. It will be a bitter reminder of a lost season. A season that should have been the springboard to the multiple playoff appearances so many here have predicted. A season where the Texan actually earn the league wide respect so many pretend is already there.

I already have enough evidence to know what this team and coach are made of. I won't be blinded by the fools gold of a meaningless 9-7 mark. This team will not become a playoff team under the current leadership. And another year with Gary Kubiak at the helm means another season lost.
 
I think we already know what thi coach/team is made of...maybe i will be surprised positively, but I am really expecting to see what is already listed above me.
 
It is sad to look at the AFC's current playoff picture and think what 'coulda'. It was a year full of missed opportunity. If the Texans win, that will be nice, and expected like has been stated. Of course if we have a lead we will expect to blow it. It has become engrained in all of us to expect another shortcoming, either in a game or a season. We don't think like Indy where if they are winning or losing, they expect to win.
 
on the road versus a team fighting for the playoffs just as we are? I expect a good game irregardless of the outcome, but a loss or a win won't sway my opinion of which direction this team is headed.

for the soapers/doubters, check out some stats TC posted in her Chron blog:

Red Zone Production

Remember the big complaint last year about red zone production? Here's something I did not know but ran across and so I thought I'd pass it on. The Texans are tied for 4th in the league with the Giants with the number of red zone scoring attempts per game. Only the Saints, Patriots and Vikings are better. Most of the teams at the top of this list have good records.

The Texans are tied for 7th with the Ravens in red zone scores per game. Teams that are better are Saints, Vikings, Cards, Colts, Dolphins and Patriots.

What is interesting about this is something that Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders discussed on this subject. That as teams get better moving the ball, eventually their red zone production tends to match the rest of their offense. That they are getting this sort of production despite (extreme understatement alert) struggling with the running game is remarkable to me.

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/12/merry_vincemas.html
 
Silver Oak said:
on the road versus a team fighting for the playoffs just as we are? I expect a good game irregardless of the outcome, but a loss or a win won't sway my opinion of which direction this team is headed.

for the soapers/doubters, check out some stats TC posted in her Chron blog:

Red Zone Production

Remember the big complaint last year about red zone production? Here's something I did not know but ran across and so I thought I'd pass it on. The Texans are tied for 4th in the league with the Giants with the number of red zone scoring attempts per game. Only the Saints, Patriots and Vikings are better. Most of the teams at the top of this list have good records.

The Texans are tied for 7th with the Ravens in red zone scores per game. Teams that are better are Saints, Vikings, Cards, Colts, Dolphins and Patriots.

What is interesting about this is something that Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders discussed on this subject. That as teams get better moving the ball, eventually their red zone production tends to match the rest of their offense. That they are getting this sort of production despite (extreme understatement alert) struggling with the running game is remarkable to me.

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/12/merry_vincemas.html
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This could be an example of stats leading to questionable conclusions. What this analysis leaves out is what percentage of the Red Zone scores are actually TDs rather than FGs.
 
Norg said:
@INDy-L
bye
vs Tenn-L
vs Indy-L
@jags- L



this pretty much shows us what are team is made of

we cant win more then 1 divison game r u SERIOUS !!!!!!!!!!
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If we had posted that record with both our starting guards healthy, Slaton running as effectively as last year, and O.D. still in the lineup, I might be among the Soapers.
But I can't discount the loss of key personnel like some people seem to.
That's just nuts.
It's like saying your car should still give you the same zero-to-60 time it did when brand new but with two out of the eight spark plugs disconnected. It just won't happen.
 
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euro-Texan said:
We were a train wreck with nothing going for us minus AJ. we have consistantly improved our team. MANY other teams had more puzzle peices than we were given when Kubiak took over.
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I totally agree. When Kubiak took over it was worse than taking over an expansion team because he had to completely build a roster without the benefit of an expansion draft. That's why I say he should get more time. People make comparisons with other HC/teams that are able to turn programs around within a few years, but fail to realize that those teams had at least some talent to build upon. The Texans had nothing, except for AJ IMO.
 
Screw stats!! It's the score at the end of the game that counts, PERIOD!!!!! Everything else is just fluff!! At the end of the season it's a win/lost STAT, nothing else matters. We have one of the best QBs in the league, according to stats, and probably the best WR EVER, and guess who's going to be sitting in their living rooms watching the playoffs on TV? YEP!! YOU, ME, and the TEXANS football team!!
 
I have reached a nexus point in my NFL experience this week. For the first time in Texans franchise history, they are alive in the playoff hunt while my fantasy teams are playing Tiger Woods.

Kubiak > my fantasy teams :kitten:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This could be an example of stats leading to questionable conclusions. What this analysis leaves out is what percentage of the Red Zone scores are actually TDs rather than FGs.
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DING! Exactly.

As this game showing what the Texans are made of - as mentioned above, I think it already has been shown. The only thing this game will show (again as mentioned earlier) is their last chance to show if they can step up in a game that mean something.

This game will defintely put a punctuation on the season, one way or another. Whether that is a exclimation or question mark.

....and the only reason they're still in the playoff hunt this late in the season is because the rest of the AFC is mired in mediocrity, save for a few that excelled. Before Titans / Chargers - wasn't it like only 4 teams were technically eliminated from the playoff race?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This could be an example of stats leading to questionable conclusions. What this analysis leaves out is what percentage of the Red Zone scores are actually TDs rather than FGs.
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Well the same site has the Texans tied for 11th on TD's per game so the conclusion isn't really questionable.

Now what is funny at that site is their rankings. The AFC South is the only one with the rankings out of order with the standings. They have the Titans as a top 10 team while in 4th in the division with the Jags ranked behind the Texans although in 2nd ahead of the Texans.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This could be an example of stats leading to questionable conclusions. What this analysis leaves out is what percentage of the Red Zone scores are actually TDs rather than FGs.
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On the other hand, if the stat is accurate we might consider other areas where the team got worse to compensate for that improvement. It is tough to theoretically "get better" across the board and still remain static in the W/L column. Either the Texans are progressing at league average, or progress in one area is being countered by regression in another. Fans have a tendancy to overvalue the former and ignore or find excuses for the latter
 
Runner said:
On the other hand, if the stat is accurate we might consider other areas where the team got worse to compensate for that improvement. It is tough to theoretically "get better" across the board and still remain static in the W/L column. Either the Texans are progressing at league average, or progress in one area is being countered by regression in another. Fans have a tendancy to overvalue the former and ignore or find excuses for the latter
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Despite the multitude of blame threads running around here it is real simple - no running game. Give us last year's running game or any DD season and the Texans are in the playoffs this year.
 
infantrycak said:
On the other hand, if the stat is accurate we might consider other areas where the team got worse to compensate for that improvement. It is tough to theoretically "get better" across the board and still remain static in the W/L column. Either the Texans are progressing at league average, or progress in one area is being countered by regression in another. Fans have a tendancy to overvalue the former and ignore or find excuses for the latter
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Despite the multitude of blame threads running around here it is real simple - no running game. Give us last year's running game or any DD season and the Texans are in the playoffs this year.
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I agree with that. A decent running game solves a multitude of problems this year. The Texans didn't have one.
 
Lucky said:
How many lines will be drawn in the sand?

This game (Titans) will show what this team and coach is made of...

I mean this game (Indy) will show what this team and coach is made of...

Wait, it's this game (JAX) will show what this team and coach is made of...

Forget that, this game (Fins) will show what this team and coach is made of...

We have a near full season of games that have shown what this team and coach are made of. My opinion won't change much because of this one game. It's one game of 16. How could it possibly trump the stretch of 4 divisional games the Texans choked away?

The Texans should defeat Miami. They have more talent. Miami is missing their starting QB & starting RB. Maybe they wouldn't have been a one year wonder had those guys been available all season?

By next week, New England will have clinched their division and will trot out their junior varsity team. And we will have Texan fans proclaim that game as the definitive contest in team history. After that win, the Texans will finish 9-7 and probably lose the wild card berth on a tiebreak. More fans will point to this as proof that the team is close. On the right track.

No. It will be a bitter reminder of a lost season. A season that should have been the springboard to the multiple playoff appearances so many here have predicted. A season where the Texan actually earn the league wide respect so many pretend is already there.

I already have enough evidence to know what this team and coach are made of. I won't be blinded by the fools gold of a meaningless 9-7 mark. This team will not become a playoff team under the current leadership. And another year with Gary Kubiak at the helm means another season lost.
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Very, very, very well said. Very eloquent and truthful.

We already know exactly what this team is made of.
 
houstonspartan said:
Very, very, very well said. Very eloquent and truthful.

We already know exactly what this team is made of.
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We know what this team is made of... in your opinion, is that enough to go 9-7? or do you think this is an 8-8 team or worse?

For the rest of us, that don't know, we're going to find out if 9-7 is worth playing for. We'll find out if that is part of this teams make-up.

I'm not arguing your feelings about this team based on our divisional performance this year. Winning those games would have meant one thing.. losing meant something else.

Winning these next to, will also mean something. Not the same thing, not as good, but somehting just the same.

We've got nothing to play for now, but a winning season.
 
infantrycak said:
Despite the multitude of blame threads running around here it is real simple - no running game. Give us last year's running game or any DD season and the Texans are in the playoffs this year.
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Rep.
Give me ast year's running game and O.D. for the whole year and we don't have that 4 game slide.

And I don't care if you're mad or out of patience or whatever, that's no excuse for suspending logic. You can't lose main cogs to your machine and expect it to perform at a high level - see the Pittsburgh Steelers.
 
I enjoyed the first half immensely but it never entered my mind that what we're seeing happen right now wouldn't happen. Half a game of near perfection and half a game of Moe, Curly, and Larry level stupidity is what the Texans are "made of".

Chris Brown is still a major part of this offense despite the fact that Arian Foster is running the ball well. This is the kind of stupid bullshit you get with Kubiak. It defies explanation.

I'm just going to watch the rest out of morbid curiosity. Will they hang on and win or will they lose it at the end and eliminate themselves from playoff contention with their own incompetence?
 
So what did we learn thus far? They still dont know how to play 60 minutes of ball? Thats not new!
 
ObsiWan said:
Rep.
Give me ast year's running game and O.D. for the whole year and we don't have that 4 game slide.

And I don't care if you're mad or out of patience or whatever, that's no excuse for suspending logic. You can't lose main cogs to your machine and expect it to perform at a high level - see the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Must spread rep.

OD was the last straw in a line of injuries that we've tried to ignore all year long.

Yet still remained viable & competitive in every game.
 
thunderkyss said:
Must spread rep.

OD was the last straw in a line of injuries that we've tried to ignore all year long.

Yet still remained viable & competitive in every game.
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We were quite healthy last year, a bit too healthy now this year one can argue that injuries have completely held us back this year. Now we all see how much Pitts meant to the o-line too...we have to hope he comes back 100%
 
thunderkyss said:
Rep.
Give me ast year's running game and O.D. for the whole year and we don't have that 4 game slide.

And I don't care if you're mad or out of patience or whatever, that's no excuse for suspending logic. You can't lose main cogs to your machine and expect it to perform at a high level - see the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Must spread rep.

OD was the last straw in a line of injuries that we've tried to ignore all year long.

Yet still remained viable & competitive in every game.
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The teams we are competing against had injuries too. It's a level playing field.
 
New_Texans said:
The teams we are competing against had injuries too. It's a level playing field.
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The only team i can think of having a significant injury to the par of OD being out is Indy with Bob Sanders.
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There are more than that. The team they are trying to hold off right now had some key injuries.
 
Lucky said:
Why is that not the responsibility of the coaching staff and the front office???

This is why Kubiak is the Teflon Man. Nothing ever sticks to him.
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I blame the coach.

Last year, we did a lot of pulling, and a little power O. This year, Kubiak seems to be adamant to run ZBS.

But I'm OK with that decision.

When did we lose Chester Pitts?
 
thunderkyss said:
I blame the coach.

Last year, we did a lot of pulling, and a little power O. This year, Kubiak seems to be adamant to run ZBS.

But I'm OK with that decision.

When did we lose Chester Pitts?
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Pitts got hurt in camp, remember? Then he tried to come back for the last preseason game (maybe two..?). He got hurt again in the Tenn. game and was done for the season.
 
infantrycak said:
Despite the multitude of blame threads running around here it is real simple - no running game. Give us last year's running game or any DD season and the Texans are in the playoffs this year.
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Well you've got to have a HC that actually has a clue what a good running game is.
 
Lucky said:
When did we lose Chester Pitts?
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Why didn't they sign a vet to backup Pitts?
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They wasted a big opportunity to build young depth their first year here by carrying Flanagan, Bedell, and the like. Throw away roster spots.
 
didnt we throw away one of our picks on ALex brink and A TE we dont even use!!!!!!!!!!


Boggles my mind
 
infantrycak said:
Well that's just an ignorant comment if you don't think Kubiak and Gibbs know what is a good running game.
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Ignorant? I think the past 4 years of results speaks for itself. I really don't have to justify it any further than that.

And what makes it even worse is what a train wreck it looked like even before each season started with his bright ideas of Wally Lundi being a work horse and a brittle Amaan Green and then Chris "banged up" Brown. The furthest Kubes has ever gone into trying to get a guy was drafting Slaton in the 3rd who he never thought would be any more than a 3rd down change of pace guy and then benched him this season. And then he completely ignored the RB situation in last off season and the draft as well.

Kubes is a disaster to any team as far as a running game goes and there isn't any "spin" or "twist" you can put on that one.
 
ObsiWan said:
who, on Pitts' level, was available? I assume you want equivalent performance, right?

So, tell me, who was there to pick up?
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Jeremy Bridges would of been a solid pickup. Now starting at LT in Arizona.
 
ObsiWan said:
Rep.
Give me ast year's running game and O.D. for the whole year and we don't have that 4 game slide.

And I don't care if you're mad or out of patience or whatever, that's no excuse for suspending logic. You can't lose main cogs to your machine and expect it to perform at a high level - see the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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I don't care about last years team. I don't even think it matters that OD is out. What I want to see is a complete game. They look like the best team in the league, in the first half, and then it looks like a whole new team comes out in the 2nd half. I have to blame that on coaching. The DC goes to a soft zone, and just wants to keep the ball in front of them, but in the meantime lets the other team march right down the field. The offense starts trying to go with a ball control offense, which only results in 3 & outs, and gives the ball right back to the other team. IMHO, it's time for the coaching staff to go.

Hervoyel said:
I enjoyed the first half immensely but it never entered my mind that what we're seeing happen right now wouldn't happen. Half a game of near perfection and half a game of Moe, Curly, and Larry level stupidity is what the Texans are "made of".

Chris Brown is still a major part of this offense despite the fact that Arian Foster is running the ball well. This is the kind of stupid bullshit you get with Kubiak. It defies explanation.

I'm just going to watch the rest out of morbid curiosity. Will they hang on and win or will they lose it at the end and eliminate themselves from playoff contention with their own incompetence?
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I have to agree with Herv here. I knew they were going to let Miami back into the game. I was just hoping 27 points would be enough. It was, and it was fortunate, because they damned sure didn't do anything to help their cause.

This type of play has frustrated me all year, actually, since the start of the Texans. They are successful when they are aggressive. They may have a few setbacks, but overall, they are far more successful when they are aggressive. When they go to that passive Defense, they lose or just barely win after giving up a big lead. When they try to go to "run out the clock mode" on offense, all they do is help the other team win.
 
Silver Oak said:
wow...and this after a big road win.

mind boggling really.
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no....this after a 27-0 halftime lead that ended 27-20. The Texans didn't show up in the 2nd half. By my count, there are only two games this season that the Texans were actually beaten. The rest of them, the Texans beat themselves. This was almost another one.
 
vtech9 said:
no....this after a 27-0 halftime lead that ended 27-20. The Texans didn't show up in the 2nd half. By my count, there are only two games this season that the Texans were actually beaten. The rest of them, the Texans beat themselves. This was almost another one.
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You would have rather seen a competitive game with us losing?
 
vtech9 said:
I don't care about last years team. I don't even think it matters that OD is out. What I want to see is a complete game. They look like the best team in the league, in the first half, and then it looks like a whole new team comes out in the 2nd half. I have to blame that on coaching.
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Wait...
WHAT?!
I'll read the rest of your post in a moment. I can't get past this statement. You don't think losing a pro-bowl quality TE matters in a pass-happy offense. He had 40 catches when he went down. He's still third on the team in receiving yds and fourth in catches and he hasn't played in two months. You don't think losing that level of production matters...????

You cannot be serious.
 
euro-Texan said:
You would have rather seen a competitive game with us losing?
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I would rather see the Texans play the same way in the 2nd half as they did in the 1st. I want to see them play a complete game. I want to see them finish a game in dominant fashion, and quit letting teams back into a game they never should have been in.
 
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