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This game (Miami) will show what this team and coach is made of.

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mussop

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Since the birth of this franchise we have never had a chance at making the playoffs this late in the season. I know there is very little chance of us actually making it but we have to aproach this game like its a playoff game.

I have been on the fire Kubiak bandwagon for awhile now but I will back off if we come out and play at a high intensity with a good game plan and Kubiak calls a solid game. Win or loose I want to see how this team is prepared for this type of atmosphere and how well Kubiak handles managing the game and the pressure.

I really hope we do well and Kubiak proves me wrong.
 
Nice post. We play our first meaningful game this late in the season in franchise history.

No matter what our playoff chances are if we win we give ourselves a chance.

The dominoes can fall our way we just have to make sure we take care of business.
 
First and foremost I'm obviously on the Pro-Kubiak bandwagon. Irrigardless of our record, this is the best this team has ever played. I agree with you that this is where I will decide whether Kubes keeps my support or not. If our Texans show up ready to WIN like they did for about half the season, I will be happy playoffs or not. If we show up beaten before the first snap ala the Jets or second Jags game than my support of Kubiak will drop like a football out of Steve Slaton's hands. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that our team realizes what's at stake and plays 60 minutes of football at 100%
 
@INDy-L
bye
vs Tenn-L
vs Indy-L
@jags- L



this pretty much shows us what are team is made of

we cant win more then 1 divison game r u SERIOUS !!!!!!!!!!
 
What worries me is that when we get into these situations with other teams, the other team always seem to "want it more" and steps up and snatches the win. The sense I get is that the Dolphins really need this win. If so, they might claw and scratch to get it.

We'll see. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be rooting for the Texans regardless.
 
(Not directed at the OP but in general) So is this the biggest game in franchise history or biggest game of the season? What about a statement game?


Where have I heard that before? Every week seemed to be statement week or the biggest game in/of the franichse/season. I think we toss those terms around a little too much.


So what are we going to call it when we one day make the playoffs and lord willing the super bowl one day. Then those will become the biggest games in season AND franchise history, right? ;) :rolleyes:
 
mussop said:
Since the birth of this franchise we have never had a chance at making the playoffs this late in the season. I know there is very little chance of us actually making it but we have to aproach this game like its a playoff game.

I have been on the fire Kubiak bandwagon for awhile now but I will back off if we come out and play at a high intensity with a good game plan and Kubiak calls a solid game. Win or loose I want to see how this team is prepared for this type of atmosphere and how well Kubiak handles managing the game and the pressure.

I really hope we do well and Kubiak proves me wrong.
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I don't wanna be the Debbie downer but this team showed us what they were made of in the month of November.
 
Norg said:
@INDy-L
bye
vs Tenn-L
vs Indy-L
@jags- L



this pretty much shows us what are team is made of

we cant win more then 1 divison game r u SERIOUS !!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously, our division is a *****. we are held to a greater standard by our fans and our division rivals. Don't know which is worse.
 
TEXANRED said:
I don't wanna be the Debbie downer but this team showed us what they were made of in the month of November.
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Also, I believe I read this post last year if I'm not mistaken.

Not that there's anything wrong with rootin' for the Texans. I know I do.
 
The HC, coaches and players should be playing this game (and the next) as though their jobs depended on it. Unfortunately, most of them, including the HC pretty well KNOW that THEY AREN'T.:mcnugget:
 
This game (Miami) will show what this team and coach is made of.
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Kidding, right? Everything the Texans currently are hinged on a Monday night vs Tennessee. I thought that was a given. If you need more proof as a Texan fan I hope you don't get it...lol.
 
TEXANRED said:
A tough division is no excuse. Look at the NFC East.
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Wasn't making an excuse at all. You play the cards your dealt. We will see the NFC east soon enough. Say we go 3-1 against the nfc east and 2-4 against our division? Will you say our division is a ***** then? Our division is still one step ahead of us in terms of talent and coaching. When we top our division we will be elite because our division is elite. Jax, ind, and tenn are better us. All there is too it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The HC, coaches and players should be playing this game (and the next) as though their jobs depended on it. Unfortunately, most of them, including the HC pretty well KNOW that THEY AREN'T.:mcnugget:
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Reality is like asking the aliens to their face if they actually exist. Unless you ask them on their spaceship, it’s rather pointless.
 
TEXANRED said:
I don't wanna be the Debbie downer but this team showed us what they were made of in the month of November.
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Yeah so did the Steelers and they won a superbowl last year. Hell how many teams in the AFC are under 9 wins? We are missing some important peices and still playing. I think we can pull this one out. Go TEXANS!
 
Showtime100 said:
Kidding, right? Everything the Texans currently are hinged on a Monday night vs Tennessee. I thought that was a given. If you need more proof as a Texan fan I hope you don't get it...lol.
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You are correct. The Monday night game was the biggest game this year, hands down. That loss really sucked the life out of a lot of fans.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Wasn't making an excuse at all. You play the cards your dealt. We will see the NFC east soon enough. Say we go 3-1 against the nfc east and 2-4 against our division? Will you say our division is a ***** then? Our division is still one step ahead of us in terms of talent and coaching. When we top our division we will be elite because our division is elite. Jax, ind, and tenn are better us. All there is too it.
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If we don't toughen up our interior line and get a run game we could be going 6-10 next year.
 
euro-Texan said:
Yeah so did the Steelers and they won a superbowl last year. Hell how many teams in the AFC are under 9 wins? We are missing some important peices and still playing. I think we can pull this one out. Go TEXANS!
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BFD. I don't see what that matters. If you ask me this season hurts more BECAUSE the playoffs won't take 11 wins like many people thought.

Agreed on the GO TEXANS rah rah, but the rest of it is rationalization HOF material.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Wasn't making an excuse at all. You play the cards your dealt. We will see the NFC east soon enough. Say we go 3-1 against the nfc east and 2-4 against our division? Will you say our division is a ***** then? Our division is still one step ahead of us in terms of talent and coaching. When we top our division we will be elite because our division is elite. Jax, ind, and tenn are better us. All there is too it.
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Bullshit. No, that's not all there is to it.

First, no way do we go 3-1 against the NFC East. Do you know what teams are in that division? Dallas, Philly, Washington, and NY Giants. That is a VERY TOUGH DIVISION. Those teams are extremely competitive and tough, and we are going to struggle against them.

Secondly, Jax and Tenn are not better than us. Especially not this year. I am SICK AND TIRED of the "our division is tough" excuse. Ok, it's tough. So freaking what? And it is not the toughest in the NFL, as it has been in the past.

The attitude of "Jax, Ind and Tenn are better than us" is why we're last in the division every year. It's not true that we're the worst team in the division, and yet we think we are, and that's how we play.
 
mariowillshine15 said:
Yea it was a heartwrenching loss but if fans stopped watching and supporting the Texans because of it then good riddance bandwagon fans.
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It's not that simple. It's not black and white. I know someone who has been a season ticket holder from day one of this franchise, and has always been mr, rah, rah. That loss really destroyed him. Yes, he kept going to the games and kept supporting the team, but his energy was a lot less positive than it was before.

As has been said numerous times, you can't have a bandwagon if the team has never been successful. Sure, we should support our team, but the Texans have to start giving back the investment many of us have made in them.
 
Showtime100 said:
BFD. I don't see what that matters. If you ask me this season hurts more BECAUSE the playoffs won't take 11 wins like many people thought.

Agreed on the GO TEXANS rah rah, but the rest of it is Rationalization HOF material.
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I doubt I'm the first person to compare us to another team. I suppose it's okay if it's to a looser though. Truth is W/L records mean little as Arizona went to the play offs with 9 wins while NE didn't with 11 wins last year. If you were to look at the quality of play alone, we are a much better team half the time and a revisited version of our 2004 team the rest of the time. NFL teams historicaly do play hot or cold. It's just the way it is. I'm not happy about it either, but if we are able to play well over the next two weeks and certain cards fall our way than I will be very happy. rah rah Go Texans!
 
houstonspartan said:
Bullshit. No, that's not all there is to it.

First, no way do we go 3-1 against the NFC East. Do you know what teams are in that division? Dallas, Philly, Washington, and NY Giants. That is a VERY TOUGH DIVISION. Those teams are extremely competitive and tough, and we are going to struggle against them.

Secondly, Jax and Tenn are not better than us. Especially not this year. I am SICK AND TIRED of the "our division is tough" excuse. Ok, it's tough. So freaking what? And it is not the toughest in the NFL, as it has been in the past.

The attitude of "Jax, Ind and Tenn are better than us" is why we're last in the division every year. It's not true that we're the worst team in the division, and yet we think we are, and that's how we play.
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This is where some of you lose me. we have the worst division record in the AFC South, yet we are not the worst.(?)

We all are tired of hearing this, but you seem to want others to quit saying it. I want the Texans to do something about it.

BTW, the NFC East isn't all that scary in comparison to the rest of the league, IMO.
 
Showtime100 said:
This is where some of you lose me. we have the worst division record in the AFC South, yet we are not the worst.(?)

We all are tired of hearing this, but you seem to want others to quit saying it. I want the Texans to do something about it.

BTW, the NFC East isn't all that scary in comparison to the rest of the league, IMO.
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AFC South toughest division in the NFL hands down.
 
Showtime100 said:
This is where some of you lose me. we have the worst division record in the AFC South, yet we are not the worst.(?)

We all are tired of hearing this, but you seem to want others to quit saying it. I want the Texans to do something about it.

BTW, the NFC East isn't all that scary in comparison to the rest of the league, IMO.
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Most of us can agree that our division record doesn't reflect the true talent of this team. It's one reason why a lot of us are so angry. We're underachieving.

My point, just to be clear, was that we're a better team, especially this year, than Tenn and Jax. But, we blew all of those games, and we're back at the bottom yet again, even though we have more talent than a last place team. I refuse to believe that Jax is a better team than we are.

As for the NFC East, I can easily see our team getting intimidated by those teams and folding.
 
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houstonspartan said:
Most of us can agree that our division record doesn't reflect the true talent of this team. It's one reason why a lot of us are so angry. We're underachieving.

My point, just to be clear, was that we're a better team, especially this year, than Tenn and Jax. But, we blew all of those games, and we're back at the bottom yet again, even though we have more talent than a last place team. I refuse to believe that Jax is a better team than we are.

As for the NFC East, I can easily see our team getting intimidated by those teams and folding.
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If our team is intimidated by Washington then they no longer rate my support.
I believe they will be more intimidated by us than we of them.
 
euro-Texan said:
I doubt I'm the first person to compare us to another team. I suppose it's okay if it's to a looser though. Truth is W/L records mean little as Arizona went to the play offs with 9 wins while NE didn't with 11 wins last year. If you were to look at the quality of play alone, we are a much better team half the time and a revisited version of our 2004 team the rest of the time. NFL teams historicaly do play hot or cold. It's just the way it is. I'm not happy about it either, but if we are able to play well over the next two weeks and certain cards fall our way than I will be very happy. rah rah Go Texans!
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Wow. The excuse-making in your post is amazing.

And, w's and l's don't matter???

Wow. No words.
 
euro-Texan said:
If our team is intimidated by Washington then they no longer rate my support.
I believe they will be more intimidated by us than we of them.
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I think Washington might bounce back stronger next year than we think.

And, our team was intimidated by St. Louis, so what does that say?
 
houstonspartan said:
Wow. The excuse-making in your post is amazing.

And, w's and l's don't matter???

Wow. No words.
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to clarify... W/L DO MATTER. although the difference between 7-9 and 9-7 can be affected by strength of schedule and player losses and are NOT definitive to improvment or regression.
 
houstonspartan said:
LOL. You're right. That whopping 3-point win over St. Louis was a total Texan blow out. We dominated that game from kick off.

LMAO.
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If not for 3 mistakes they would have scored another 10-14 points. The game was much more lopsided than the final score would otherwise indicate.
 
euro-Texan said:
to clarify... W/L DO MATTER. although the difference between 7-9 and 9-7 can be affected by strength of schedule and player losses and are NOT definitive to improvment or regression.
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This probably doesn't go with the flow of this conversation, but I firmly believe Kubiak cost us 10-6 (3 games give or take IMO) and the playoffs so anyone who says the Texans are close or have a good team I don't wish to argue. I like the guy, but just don't like the job he's done.
 
Showtime100 said:
This probably doesn't go with the flow of this conversation, but I firmly believe Kubiak cost us 10-6 (3 games give or take IMO) and the playoffs so anyone who says the Texans are close or have a good team I don't wish to argue. I like the guy, but just don't like the job he's done.
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So he's responsible for the losses and somehow the texans beat Cincy despite him. I guess I see the fact that we were a part of every game this year (even the Jets) with the chance to win. Unlike Baltimore or Pittsburg last year we have arrived the W/L colum doesn't reflect it but he have taken the next step.
 
euro-Texan said:
So he's responsible for the losses and somehow the texans beat Cincy despite him. I guess I see the fact that we were a part of every game this year (even the Jets) with the chance to win. Unlike Baltimore or Pittsburg last year we have arrived the W/L colum doesn't reflect it but he have taken the next step.
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He's responsible to the extent of three games (as I said, give or take). Wow, we beat Cincy. You DO know for every win you give as testimony I can counter with a loss of the same magnitude, right?
 
euro-Texan said:
So he's responsible for the losses and somehow the texans beat Cincy despite him. I guess I see the fact that we were a part of every game this year (even the Jets) with the chance to win. Unlike Baltimore or Pittsburg last year we have arrived the W/L colum doesn't reflect it but he have taken the next step.
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It would appear that way, but we have been beating non AFC South teams
for the last 3 years. We were 6-4, 7-3, and now 6-2 out of the division.
However, during the same span, we've gone 1-5, 2-4, 1-5 IN The AFC South.
What we have here, are three consecutive years of beating everybody else,
and sucking in our own division. So, WHERE is this mythical "next step" you
speak of?
 
houstonspartan said:
Bullshit. No, that's not all there is to it.

First, no way do we go 3-1 against the NFC East. Do you know what teams are in that division? Dallas, Philly, Washington, and NY Giants. That is a VERY TOUGH DIVISION. Those teams are extremely competitive and tough, and we are going to struggle against them.

Secondly, Jax and Tenn are not better than us. Especially not this year. I am SICK AND TIRED of the "our division is tough" excuse. Ok, it's tough. So freaking what? And it is not the toughest in the NFL, as it has been in the past.

The attitude of "Jax, Ind and Tenn are better than us" is why we're last in the division every year. It's not true that we're the worst team in the division, and yet we think we are, and that's how we play.
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I think our division is better than the nfc east, that's all. The nfc east is media driven.
 
Showtime100 said:
This probably doesn't go with the flow of this conversation, but I firmly believe Kubiak cost us 10-6 (3 games give or take IMO) and the playoffs so anyone who says the Texans are close or have a good team I don't wish to argue. I like the guy, but just don't like the job he's done.
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Agree 100 percent.
 
Showtime100 said:
He's responsible to the extent of three games (as I said, give or take). Wow, we beat Cincy. You DO know for every win you give as testimony I can counter with a loss of the same magnitude, right?
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Agreed and the same can be said for about every other team in the league. I know Indy is undefeated, but they did win quite a few by just 3 and wins by 3 don't really count do they, I mean if its the Texans beating St Louis they don't.
 
DexmanC said:
It would appear that way, but we have been beating non AFC South teams
for the last 3 years. We were 6-4, 7-3, and now 6-2 out of the division.
However, during the same span, we've gone 1-5, 2-4, 1-5 IN The AFC South.
What we have here, are three consecutive years of beating everybody else,
and sucking in our own division. So, WHERE is this mythical "next step" you
speak of?
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But wait, Dex, don't forget that we're in the "toughest division in football." We should be ok with losing all of our division games for that reason alone.

lol.

People really don't understand how important division games are, do they?
 
Goatcheese said:
And your point is?

They dominated the game, but cost themselves points with stupid mistakes. It was a much more lopsided game than the score would otherwise indicate.
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The point is, we're ALWAYS making the SAME mistakes, over and over again.

If it was a more lopsided game than the score indicated, why were most of the fan base, and even some of the players, unhappy with the game?

They did not dominate St. Louis.
 
DexmanC said:
It would appear that way, but we have been beating non AFC South teams
for the last 3 years. We were 6-4, 7-3, and now 6-2 out of the division.
However, during the same span, we've gone 1-5, 2-4, 1-5 IN The AFC South.
What we have here, are three consecutive years of beating everybody else,
and sucking in our own division. So, WHERE is this mythical "next step" you
speak of?
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******* it your right we suck! Lets clean house and start over maybe in 4-5 years we will win.
 
euro-Texan said:
Agreed and the same can be said for about every other team in the league. I know Indy is undefeated, but they did win quite a few by just 3 and wins by 3 don't really count do they, I mean if its the Texans beating St Louis they don't.
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OK, all cool. I would rather be in Indy's shoes...lol. I think Houston is that close (to success) given what I've seen. (See my opinion of Kubes in above posts)
 
Goatcheese said:
And your point is?

They dominated the game, but cost themselves points with stupid mistakes. It was a much more lopsided game than the score would otherwise indicate.
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My point is (give me room) that the "if" argument is bogus. Stupid mistakes are reality.

Goatcheese, and I mean this, Happy Hollidays my friend. :)
 
euro-Texan said:
******* it your right we suck! Lets clean house and start over maybe in 4-5 years we will win.
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I'm not saying "clean house." I'm saying get a new coach to steer the ship.
In the MODERN NFL, it's ridiculous to EXPECT a minimum of 5 years to build
a team. This team has the pieces to get 9 or 10 wins a year, but its
LEADERSHIP is very suspect.
 
houstonspartan said:
The point is, we're ALWAYS making the SAME mistakes, over and over again.

If it was a more lopsided game than the score indicated, why were most of the fan base, and even some of the players, unhappy with the game?

They did not dominate St. Louis.
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Did you even watch the game? I'm guessing no.

Showtime100 said:
My point is (give me room) that the "if" argument is bogus. Stupid mistakes are reality.

Goatcheese, and I mean this, Happy Hollidays my friend. :)
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I didn't make an "if" argument. I said they dominated the game and then shot themselves in the foot, costing them 10-14 points.

Missed field goals and dropped TD passes are self inflicted damage.

It was like an MMA match where one guy beats the crap out of the other but keeps falling flat on his face because he's clumsy.

Happy Holidays :worldpeace:
 
Goatcheese said:
Did you even watch the game? I'm guessing no.



I didn't make an "if" argument. I said they dominated the game and then shot themselves in the foot, costing them 10-14 points.

Missed field goals and dropped TD passes are self inflicted damage.

It was like an MMA match where one guy beats the crap out of the other but keeps falling flat on his face because he's clumsy.

Happy Holidays :worldpeace:
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Yes, and so are great plays. That all I'm saying. It is all part of the game.
 
This game is going to tell us what we're made of? Right.

If they lose tomorrow we'll be hearing how the New England game will tell us what this coach and team are made of. If they lose that but McNair brings Kubiak back then we'll be hearing how next season will really tell us what's been accomplished. Then if we start slow we'll hear some other excuse for that but as soon as they win a game or two (against some bad teams) they'll all start talking about how they've really, really changed now and the "old Texans" are gone. Then they'll hit a rough patch (at approximately the same time they play a really good team) and we'll get to watch Eric Winston talk about how he doesn't know why this happens but they have to keep battling.....

This record has been skipping in that exact same spot for three years now.
 
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