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HC possibilities - Cowher is the current flavor

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GP said:
Holmgren does nothing for me. Since the glory days at Green Bay, what has he done...other than stand on the sideline and get red-faced mad and stare hatefully at his own players. He's a Denny's menu guy, too, IMO.

Gruden does even less for me. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. That's Gruden, IMO. Tom Coughlin (and I know he's not available) does more for me than Gruden, and I'm not a big fan of Coughlin's coaching. So that tells you how much I think of Gruden.

I would be happier with Cowher, and to a lesser extent I would be OK with Mike Shanahan (though his rapid decline in Denver makes me nervous about his ability to be connected to today's NFL level/standard of play).

Folks, we need a coach who can wade through all the junk and make this team hold itself to a higher standard.

One of the reasons I like Mike Shanahan is because he knows the Denver system already, and so there wouuld be less drastic change and PERHAPS a better chance at staying competitive in the first season of rebuilding.

To me, Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher are the best available in terms of who could likely take what we have and make it better.
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Kubiack is a STUDENT of Shanahan...don't know how much running the same system and expecting different results will help.
 
Dread-Head said:
Kubiack is a STUDENT of Shanahan...don't know how much running the same system and expecting different results will help.
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I think a lot of people on here have stated their opinion that Kubiak is great at focusing on the offensive play-calling and not-so-good at being a head coach.

When things get rough, people always gravitate to what's easy (or "known") to them. They find what's comfortable. Kubiak, IMO, is now delving deeper into trying to call the plays because his overall leadership as a head coach is severely lacking. he doesn't know HOW to stop the bleeding, except via what he knows: Calling plays, and trying to call every play perfectly.

This results in the whole team getting depressed. Depressed because he gives authority to people, then takes it way from them. Because Kubiak is exhibiting dimentia out there. And the troops sense it, and they act accordingly.

Mike Shanahan is a better head coach than Kubiak right now. He has been up and down the hill. He's had a year off. He's away from Denver and what had to be just a very stale and routine environment for him. He could be working with his son, which might give him an extra boost of energy and zeal for the game again.

But I want to be clear that I have Mike Shanahan far down the list after Cowher, who is at the top. Heck, Mike not even allow himself to be considered for the Texans position due to the relationship with Kubiak. There's not telling what Kubiak has told him (about how things are ran by upper management, etc.).
 
Dread-Head said:
Sure...if we can remove Vince Young's genitalia from his mouth he might make a GREAT coach again. No wait. That one title he got in Tampa Bay was on a team BUILT by Tony Dungee. Sorry No dice, let Chucky stick to being a biased color commentary guy. He seems to be good at it.
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Gruden built Oakland into a Super Bowl contender. Once he left Oakland, Oakland stunk. Advantage: Gruden. Dungy didn't win squat in Tampa and was fired. Gruden won his first shot with the Bucs. Advantage: Gruden. He also had some of the best coaching jobs in the NFL in years to follow. His problem was not being able to find a QB because they never sucked bad enough to get an early enough pick. You can only do so much with the Chris Simms and Brian Griese's of the world. The one year he had a decent QB (Jeff Garcia) they were looking like Super Bowl contenders until Jeff got hurt.

People have this disdain for Gruden and discounting his ability. Ask the real players on Tampa what they think about him. Ask Hall Of Famers like Sapp and Derrick Brooks and Barber what they think of the guy. Also look at what has happened to the Bucs since he left. They went from playoff contender to total scrub team.

But whatever, hate on Gruden and say a bunch of unsubstantiated hyperbole...par for the course.
 
GP said:
I think a lot of people on here have stated their opinion that Kubiak is great at focusing on the offensive play-calling
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I'm not even so sure about that. No one really knows how much influence he had over the play-calling at Denver.

I'm guessing not much. Mike Shanahan has a rep for being a notorious micro-manager.

Judging from the results on the field, I don't think Kubiak is much of a play-caller either. His first half script is great, but he has no idea how to overcome defensive adjustments.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Gruden built Oakland into a Super Bowl contender. Once he left Oakland, Oakland stunk. Advantage: Gruden. Dungy didn't win squat in Tampa and was fired. Gruden won his first shot with the Bucs. Advantage: Gruden. He also had some of the best coaching jobs in the NFL in years to follow. His problem was not being able to find a QB because they never sucked bad enough to get an early enough pick. You can only do so much with the Chris Simms and Brian Griese's of the world. The one year he had a decent QB (Jeff Garcia) they were looking like Super Bowl contenders until Jeff got hurt.

People have this disdain for Gruden and discounting his ability. Ask the real players on Tampa what they think about him. Ask Hall Of Famers like Sapp and Derrick Brooks and Barber what they think of the guy. Also look at what has happened to the Bucs since he left. They went from playoff contender to total scrub team.

But whatever, hate on Gruden and say a bunch of unsubstantiated hyperbole...par for the course.
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Im too tired but will someone please tear this to shreds? It shouldnt be hard. Gruden? What a joke!
 
Dread-Head said:
Sure...if we can remove Vince Young's genitalia from his mouth he might make a GREAT coach again. No wait. That one title he got in Tampa Bay was on a team BUILT by Tony Dungee. Sorry No dice, let Chucky stick to being a biased color commentary guy. He seems to be good at it.
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:lol:

:spit:

I prefer Cowher, Holmgren, Chucky in that order of availability.
 
FWIW, Pittsburgh's DC's were:

Dom Capers ('92 - '94)
Dick LeBeau ('95 - '96)
Jim Haslett ('97 - '99)
Tim Lewis ('00-'03)
Dick LeBeau ('04 - Present)

Capers is currently DC in GB and obviously wouldn't likely be an option here. Lewis was fired by Cowher, has supposedly converted to a soft scheme, is immensely disliked by his former players, and is coaching DBs in Seattle. Haslett is coaching in the UFL and might be a good candidate to bring back to a coordinator position in the NFL.
 
Out of the "proven" former NFL HC's on the market, my order is (off the top of my head)

Cowher
Gruden
Holmgren

Others need not apply and a big no to Shanny Sr. If I don't get one of the 3 above, I look for an assistant on the rise. Last on the list would be a college HC.
 
Porky said:
Out of the "proven" former NFL HC's on the market, my order is (off the top of my head)

Cowher
Gruden
Holmgren

Others need not apply and a big no to Shanny Sr. If I don't get one of the 3 above, I look for an assistant on the rise. Last on the list would be a college HC.
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What do people think of Greg Willaims?
 
One thing about hiring Cowher is the Texans would immediately acquire a personality..an identity.

For a team that appears to need that he would be a great hire just based on the impact he would bring to the team from an NFL perspective.

People would want to see them on TV...the national media would be interested...
 
WWJD said:
One thing about hiring Cowher is the Texans would immediately acquire a personality..an identity.

For a team that appears to need that he would be a great hire just based on the impact he would bring to the team from an NFL perspective.

People would want to see them on TV...the national media would be interested...
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....we'd get more attention when we bungle a lead to the Colts or Titans. :jk:
 
anybody willing to take a flyer on leslie frazier? my thinking is he has been in the league for awhile,could really help develop our young secondary,he would be a heck of alot cheaper than cowher or gruden!
 
leebigeztx said:
I personally don't think holmgren or cowher should be given total control and despite holmgren's perceived failures, he did draft some pretty good players while in charge. Not to mention, he turned around 2 pathetic franchises while in charge. Holmgren would be better suited to me because the offense and defense are kinda in place now. He does prefer bigger interior lineman and run more power zone and g power stuff, but the language is pretty similar. Cowher would turn that defense of front 7 upside down. The only guys that fit the 3-4 are williams and cushing. I guess since smith played in the hybrid last yr in arizona, you could say him, but i'm not so sure. I'm not saying its a bad thing, but ryans,and every other lb is gone also.

I think they should stay the course unless they go into the tank. I never said cowher wasnt a great coach, i just wonder how much of it was the steelers organization vs cowher himself. At least holmgren has shown he can win in 2 different places.
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What about Barwin as a 3-4 OLB? And why wouldn't DeMeco work as a 3-4 ILB?
 
GP said:
I don't think NFL teams win with the type of people-handling mentality that Bob McNair has displayed.



This team, IMO, plays like its owner. It's soft, clean, and likes to be nice to others.
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Sorry to pick this thread up days later, but, Jesus, McNair's a f-ing billionaire. His daddy didn't give him the money. He didn't win the lottery. By any measure of success, he's doing something right. With all due respect, you act like you have some sort of great insight into how things are done in the NFL when you are just another guy whining on the internet and farting into a couch on Sundays.

Your premise is flat wrong, by the way. The Rooney's in Pittsburgh treat people the right way ("they are nice to others") and value stability. They have won five rings that way. The San Francisco 49'ers and New York Giants have been classy organizations and have a whole heap of titles. By your logic, Daniel Snyder should be the king of the NFL.
 
The Third Man said:
Sorry to pick this thread up days later, but, Jesus, McNair's a f-ing billionaire. His daddy didn't give him the money. He didn't win the lottery. By any measure of success, he's doing something right. With all due respect, you act like you have some sort of great insight into how things are done in the NFL when you are just another guy whining on the internet and farting into a couch on Sundays.
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That was refreshing to read.
 
Brisco_County said:
What about Barwin as a 3-4 OLB? And why wouldn't DeMeco work as a 3-4 ILB?
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I have written two separate threads in which I showed that we are not from from converting to a 3-4 if we wanted to. We should not eliminate a possible head coach just because he favors a different defensive or offensive scheme. Thats what bad franchises do...
 
treduke said:
anybody willing to take a flyer on leslie frazier? my thinking is he has been in the league for awhile,could really help develop our young secondary,he would be a heck of alot cheaper than cowher or gruden!
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If we don't go after Cowher and we still wind up changing coaches that is probably the guy I want. I've mentioned somewhere on here before but his son goes to Rice and plays football so we got that going for us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&id=4704338

"Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier: Had Denver not hired Josh McDaniels as its head coach, Frazier probably would have been its next choice. He is a mix of the men he has worked for, Mike Ditka and Tony Dungy, not to mention the man who succeeded Mike Tomlin as the Vikings' defensive coordinator."
 
I think Bob McNair needs to go up to Andre Johnson and ask, "Mr. Johnson, who do YOU want to be your head coach?" AJ isn't going to go all Kobe Bryant on us and demand a particular coach, but I think he should be asked.
 
I am not sure what the problem with this team is. But the HC is gonna take the blame. And should.

Kubiak should be fired, and McNair should open his pocket book up and get a proven winner if he can.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I think Bob McNair needs to go up to Andre Johnson and ask, "Mr. Johnson, who do YOU want to be your head coach?" AJ isn't going to go all Kobe Bryant on us and demand a particular coach, but I think he should be asked.
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Maybe ask AJ, OD, Demeco, and Mario. Get our 2 O and 2 Def studs in on the convo. I would include Cush, but he is a rook.
 
The way ESPiN is talking, Carolina is getting set up to shoot the moon for Cowher. The VP or GM or someone up top is from the same college that Cowher's daughter is going to and they go on and on about how it's such a great fit. Have even said that "sources" are saying Cowher is working on his staff already.

:(
 
I never really thought Cowher was coming here anyway, and still don't despite what EShitPN says about Carolina or us.

I guess I just don't like ESPN's announcers or their analysts. I always watch the talking heads on NFLN instead.
 
Maybe Frank Bush will be our best option with some of these other coaches seemingly committed to other teams already.
 
TexCanada said:
Maybe Frank Bush will be our best option with some of these other coaches seemingly committed to other teams already.
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Are you serious? Frank Bush wasn't even an experienced DC and has done a decent job from turning around a defense that looked awful early on in the season, but it's not like he's changed this entire defense. The last thing this regime needs is any of the same. Even Mcnair wouldn't be dumb enough to do that. No way, Bush would get the HC gig here.
 
Texecutioner said:
Are you serious? Frank Bush wasn't even an experienced DC and has done a decent job from turning around a defense that looked awful early on in the season, but it's not like he's changed this entire defense. The last thing this regime needs is any of the same. Even Mcnair wouldn't be dumb enough to do that. No way, Bush would get the HC gig here.
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I think I did a poor job of wording what I meant. I don't mean that I want to see that happen, but if Cowher is going to Carolina and Holmgren is going to Seattle and taking Gruden as his coach (I don't know if there is any truth to that rumour), then I think McNair might see Bush as one of his top few choices.
 
I am making one, I'm so sick this crap. I'm not saying Cowher is going to be the next coach but Kubiaggy is gone.

NO first time coaches I want a proven winner who will command respect from these players.

All of the stupid mistakes are on those coaches as much as the players.

So any sign ideas?
 
If we really wanted to make a splash we could gather donations and buy a billboard like some of the Raiders and Bills fans have done this year.

I work in Advertising so I could find a cheap board. And I am sure that someone could design one pretty quickly.

Might be going to far, but it could be interesting.
 
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texanskan said:
I am making one, I'm so sick this crap. I'm not saying Cowher is going to be the next coach but Kubiaggy is gone.

NO first time coaches I want a proven winner who will command respect from these players.

All of the stupid mistakes are on those coaches as much as the players.

So any sign ideas?
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HORRIBLE THREAD TITLE! First thing that crossed my mind is that Cowher signed on as head coach somewhere else.
 
JWarren14 said:
If we really wanted to make a splash we could gather donations and buy a billboard like some of the Raiders and Bills fans have done this year.

I work in Advertising so I could find a cheap board. And I am sure that someone could design one pretty quickly.

Might be going to far, but it could be interesting.
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I'll donate

I am sure if most of the posters who check this board on a daily basis would be willing it would be cheap

We can also post on clutchfans and the HT boards
 
If we are serious I can see what boards are available in the area around Reliant, maybe not even Cowher related just a general message to Mr. McNair and the rest of the organization.
 
Bills Board Article
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JWarren14 said:
If we are serious I can see what boards are available in the area around Reliant, maybe not even Cowher related just a general message to Mr. McNair and the rest of the organization.
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It wouldn't hurt to try. I'd have no problem if it had something involving Cowher either. If Cowher saw that, he might be more inclined to wanting to come here and Mcnair might be more willing to try and get him here. You never know.
 
Txn_in_NC said:
The way ESPiN is talking, Carolina is getting set up to shoot the moon for Cowher.
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That very well could be true. Cowher has been rumored to Carolina since he resigned in Pittsburgh. Cowher to the Panthers makes a lot of sense.

LA getting the 32nd NFL franchise made a lot of sense in 1999. The NFL owners yearned to get back into LA. There were multiple ownership groups competing for the opportunity to give the NFL hundreds of $millions. Actually, the NFL did award the expansion franchise to LA. They just didn't identify an ownership group.

That didn't stop Bob McNair. Against all odds, McNair never wavered in his quest to bring the NFL back to H-town. Whenever LA showed a weakness, Bob was always in the NFL's collective ear, offering a bigger, better deal. McNair played to win. And win he did, when he offered everything the NFL could hope for.

We need the Bob McNair of 10 years past to step up. It's time to play to win. And that means acquiring the best coaching talent that has been on the market in years. This is a golden opportunity to change the culture and mindset of this organization.

Mr. McNair, sign Bill Cowher as the next Houston Texans head coach. It's time to win.
 
Lucky said:
That very well could be true. Cowher has been rumored to Carolina since he resigned in Pittsburgh. Cowher to the Panthers makes a lot of sense.

LA getting the 32nd NFL franchise made a lot of sense in 1999. The NFL owners yearned to get back into LA. There were multiple ownership groups competing for the opportunity to give the NFL hundreds of $millions. Actually, the NFL did award the expansion franchise to LA. They just didn't identify an ownership group.

That didn't stop Bob McNair. Against all odds, McNair never wavered in his quest to bring the NFL back to H-town. Whenever LA showed a weakness, Bob was always in the NFL's collective ear, offering a bigger, better deal. McNair played to win. And win he did, when he offered everything the NFL could hope for.

We need the Bob McNair of 10 years past to step up. It's time to play to win. And that means acquiring the best coaching talent that has been on the market in years. This is a golden opportunity to change the culture and mindset of this organization.

Mr. McNair, sign Bill Cowher as the next Houston Texans head coach. It's time to win.
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Thanks for making me think there is hope again Lucky.
 
Lucky said:
That very well could be true. Cowher has been rumored to Carolina since he resigned in Pittsburgh. Cowher to the Panthers makes a lot of sense.

LA getting the 32nd NFL franchise made a lot of sense in 1999. The NFL owners yearned to get back into LA. There were multiple ownership groups competing for the opportunity to give the NFL hundreds of $millions. Actually, the NFL did award the expansion franchise to LA. They just didn't identify an ownership group.

That didn't stop Bob McNair. Against all odds, McNair never wavered in his quest to bring the NFL back to H-town. Whenever LA showed a weakness, Bob was always in the NFL's collective ear, offering a bigger, better deal. McNair played to win. And win he did, when he offered everything the NFL could hope for.

We need the Bob McNair of 10 years past to step up. It's time to play to win. And that means acquiring the best coaching talent that has been on the market in years. This is a golden opportunity to change the culture and mindset of this organization.

Mr. McNair, sign Bill Cowher as the next Houston Texans head coach. It's time to win.
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Cowher is not coming here and its not about the money for him. Cowher is naming dropping certain teams so it forces Jerry Richardson to fire John Fox at the end of the season or risk losing Cowher. Cowher is asking 10 million a year and no coach is worth that, hell Dungy and the Hoodie dont even make that kind of money and they are better coaches then Cowher.
 
Frak The Jags said:
http://twitter.com/LanceZierlein
A little birdie says tells me bob mcnair not too interested in cowher and that massive contract that he will be asking for.
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Take it for what its worth...
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From the radio show...no link.....

That same little birdie also told him that we could expect Kubiak to stay even if he only wins 2 more games and goes 7-9. McNair thinks that the losses are really on the players.

He also said that McNair is one of the owners that wants to get player compensation under control. Couple that with his aversion to pay a big name coach....

Are we really sure that McNair isn't cheap?
 
I'm starting to really despise Bob McNair. Thanks for bringing a team to Houston, but you're a crappy owner if you would keep this coach again. Seriously. We don't even have to get Cowher, but we need a new direction.
 
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