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Trade Sage Thread?

Threads get merged together when they're closely related in subject matter. It keeps the board from having 6-7 threads about the same thing going at one time.

I imagine someone merged it with the older existing thread.
 
TEXANRED said:
Did something happen? Why did the title to this thread change?
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PapaL said:
Uhh it says Sage to Baltimore. Though it did say Rosenfels Traded Before the Draft? (or something like that).
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Nope someone thought it would be fun to start a new thread and a new rumor because we did not have enough of that in the first place. This thread was started when McNair retired.
 
threetoedpete said:
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the Texan's moved up for a top end tackle, that would be a comitment to the QB poition that they've never made before....I'll believe it when I see it.

agreed only a fool or a baseball writer would not recognise that this could be the richest offensive line tallent in NFL draft history. and the Texan's history suggests they will wiff one more time.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Listening to Lance Z. this morning, he did a review of all 32 teams and their draft picks over the last 6 years. It was his opinion that the Texans wouldn't even be in the top 10 of worst drafts over that time period. He cited 4th round picks like DDW who gave the Texans way more production than could have been anticipated. He even threw out Jerome Mathis as a guy who was picked in the 4th round who was productive in his rookie year, by making the Pro-Bowl and being named an All-Pro. CC Brown (love 'em or hate 'em) was mentioned and has been a starter. Add in Chester Pitts, Dunta Robinson, DeMeco Ryans, etc., etc...

Yes, there have been a lot of misses, but to say the Texans have blown all their drafts is pretty short-sighted. Other teams have fallen woefully shorter than the Texans in the drafting department. Hopefully with the new regime - those misses will further and fewer in between.
 
I think the Texans should take a 3rd for him. We only have 5 draft picks this year and honestly, Sage wasn't all that great last year. Yea he made some plays, but he also threw alot of interceptions, and just errant passes. He's really lucky he didn't throw more. I think Sage is a great backup, but I don't think he is a starter.

I was watching that Tennessee vs Houston game and that come back really wasn't Sage's doing. He threw an interception on his first pass. He also threw one to Bulluck later on, and almost another one to a linebacker toward the end of the game. Just really bad decisions. He was late on quite a few throws, and honestly that throw he made to Andre Davis at the end was Andre Davis' play.

The receivers made some great plays, and ran some great routes. Walter was killing the guy covering him. Sage missed alot of passes to receivers; he was either late or just didn't hit the receiver. Sage played well, but even in that performance I wouldn't label him a starting quarterback. You just can't stare receivers down or you will get intercepted ... ALOT.
 
I am truly shocked at the reasons some of you are floating on why Quin signed with Texans. He has seen the passion and the words of wisdom and insight expressed on this MB. How could any player turn a ridiculously cheap contract down with no off the record promise of being #2 and know how kindly he will be treated by the fans of this board?
 
badboy said:
I am truly shocked at the reasons some of you are floating on why Quin signed with Texans. He has seen the passion and the words of wisdom and insight expressed on this MB. How could any player turn a ridiculously cheap contract down with no off the record promise of being #2 and know how kindly he will be treated by the fans of this board?
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I'll throw my reason too. He heard people on this board LOVE backup Qbs.
 
I think the closer to the draft we get the more Sage's value climbs and one of those teams with a huge questionmark at QB ... Minn , GB , Balt , Chiago (couple others less likely to be involved) may panic and give up the farm (#2or 3) for Sage . He did play pretty well last season (Sometimes better than MS) and could probably step into one of those situations and do well ... Would I hate to see him go ? Absolutely . Would I pull the trigger for the right deal ? Absolutely .
 
The Vikings already offered pick #73 in this year's draft for Rosenfels and the Texans turned that offer down. Kubiak obviously understands Sage's value to this team, more so than some of the fans do. That means pretty much the only way Sage will be traded is if a team offers a draft pick higher than #73, which is not likely to happen.
 
I got an of the wall idea...how about if we move up by sending Sage to Baltimore for the 8 pick and they can have our 18....Would that work?
 
I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?

BTW, I pulled that number out of my ***, but when you make that kind of jump in draft selection, its usually something crazy like that.
 
Mr PC said:
The Vikings already offered pick #73 in this year's draft for Rosenfels and the Texans turned that offer down. Kubiak obviously understands Sage's value to this team, more so than some of the fans do. That means pretty much the only way Sage will be traded is if a team offers a draft pick higher than #73, which is not likely to happen.
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Speaking of the Vikings there are rumors out there they offered there first and third rounders for Jared Allen, plus a pick next year...kinda kills the SAge trade rumors if it happens.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.

Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.
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Source is a pay site.
 
J-Russ said:
I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?
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no, not even close
 
J-Russ said:
I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?
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Vinny said:
no, not even close
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Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.
 
TexMexVato said:
Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.
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A: Hershel Walker.. :whip:
 
Sage is worth at least a 2nd, but not all that! LOL

Well, Saturday is getting closer. I guess we'll find out soon enough if the Texans pull the trigger on a trade.
 
TexMexVato said:
Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.
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Nobody is worth a first, second, and third. I cant think of any player worth more than a first quite frankly. LT is getting up there in age and so is Peyton so I would not trade a first rounder for either of them. If I was gonna trade a first, Id like to get a young solid player who would be dominant years from now. Marcus McNeil, the SD LT comes to mind as an example.
 
awtysst said:
Nobody is worth a first, second, and third. I cant think of any player worth more than a first quite frankly. LT is getting up there in age and so is Peyton so I would not trade a first rounder for either of them. If I was gonna trade a first, Id like to get a young solid player who would be dominant years from now. Marcus McNeil, the SD LT comes to mind as an example.
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interesting... you wouldn't consider Manning or Brady (who are hardley old) worth your first three picks?

i'm not saying i would but i'd certainly think about it.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Speaking of the Vikings there are rumors out there they offered there first and third rounders for Jared Allen, plus a pick next year...kinda kills the SAge trade rumors if it happens.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx



Source is a pay site.
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Why does getting Jared Allen kill a trade for Sage? Allen should be a very good player and expensive but part of Sage's "attractiveness" is his contract costs and two years left. If Vikes give a 1st & 3rd for Allen and a 2nd for a possible QB starter or a solid B/up, sounds a good deal to me.
 
badboy said:
Why does getting Jared Allen kill a trade for Sage? Allen should be a very good player and expensive but part of Sage's "attractiveness" is his contract costs and two years left. If Vikes give a 1st & 3rd for Allen and a 2nd for a possible QB starter or a solid B/up, sounds a good deal to me.
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Because I don't think they are the Redskins, meaning I think they would like to hold onto some of their draft picks. The have other needs besides DE and QB.
 
barrett said:
interesting... you wouldn't consider Manning or Brady (who are hardley old) worth your first three picks?

i'm not saying i would but i'd certainly think about it.
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If Texans had 1st, 2nd and 3rd and we had neither Schaub or Sage, I would not give those picks for any QB. Especially with what we have seen Kubes do with a scrap heap QB like Sage. I would probably go LT @18, QB in 2nd and a CB in third.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Because I don't think they are the Redskins, meaning I think they would like to hold onto some of their draft picks. The have other needs besides DE and QB.
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I agree they need picks but they have already bumped the offer (see your link) to include a high round pick 2009. You may hold he picks, but the team think Allen is worth a 1st & 3rd. The only thing we should look at is the 2nd rd selection. To the Vikings, it comes down to what they would value as priority, a QB or ? Their remain intriguing players in 4th and 5th.
 
Ravens fans, you may finally have your quarterback of the future: Chad Henne. I made him the 20th pick in my mock first round Monday, chosen by Baltimore after a trade with Tampa Bay. And after talking to Henne at length Monday night, the idea seems pretty plausible.

"They seem to like me a lot, but you never know,'' the 22-year-old Henne said from his Pennsylvania home. "I think I'm a pretty good fit there. I kind of stressed with them my ability to come in and play right away, because I've been through it already [as a four-year starter at Michigan].
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from MMQB... no sage imo but possible trade down partner?
 
VIKES GIVE UP THREE 2008 PICKS FOR ALLEN
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:17 p.m.

Holy crap.

The Vikings, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, surrendered their first-round pick in the 2008 draft and both third-round selections for Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen.

The Chiefs will now add the No. 17, No. 73, and No. 82 overall selections to the No. 5, No. 35, and No. 66 picks, giving them six selections among the first 100 picks.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

but they didn't throw in their 2nd round pick.... you know why.. :shades:

Ok, really. Forget Minnesota, onto Green Bay and Oakland and etc.
 
maybe the Vikings think that Brad Childress (who coached mcNabb) and Kevin Rogers (Qb coach that coached at VT) and or Darell Bevell(OC that was Favre QB coach) can put their heads together for a game plan on improving the Qb's of the Vikes .. and can improve the team better than haven't Sage and missing a 2nd rounder (being Ukede is out)
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and if not, they might still try to take a shot at Sage
 
Wolf said:
maybe the Vikings think that Brad Childress (who coached mcNabb) and Kevin Rogers (Qb coach that coached at VT) and or Darell Bevell(OC that was Favre QB coach) can put their heads together for a game plan on improving the Qb's of the Vikes .. and can improve the team better than haven't Sage and missing a 2nd rounder (being Ukede is out)
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and if not, they might still try to take a shot at Sage
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LOL I just read the thread about Jared Allen and the 3 picks the vikes gave up
 
A 2nd rounder for Sage would have improved the Vikings more than giving up their 1st and 2 3rds for Allen. A lot more. What are they thinking.
 
barrett said:
interesting... you wouldn't consider Manning or Brady (who are hardley old) worth your first three picks?

i'm not saying i would but i'd certainly think about it.
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No i wouldnt. Peyton is 32 and Brady is 30. If they play another 5 years, then I would have severely stunted my team by giving up 3 potential starters. On the other hand a LT like McNeil is only 24 and he can play for another 12 years. I might consider a first for him, but only someone like that. Young and solid.
 
awtysst said:
No i wouldnt. Peyton is 32 and Brady is 30. If they play another 5 years, then I would have severely stunted my team by giving up 3 potential starters. On the other hand a LT like McNeil is only 24 and he can play for another 12 years. I might consider a first for him, but only someone like that. Young and solid.
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i doubt mcneill lasts 12 yrs.. iirc he has a narrowing of the spine (which caused him to fall to the 2nd rd in the first place)
 
Wolf said:
maybe the Vikings think that Brad Childress (who coached mcNabb) and Kevin Rogers (Qb coach that coached at VT) and or Darell Bevell(OC that was Favre QB coach) can put their heads together for a game plan on improving the Qb's of the Vikes .. and can improve the team better than haven't Sage and missing a 2nd rounder (being Ukede is out)
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and if not, they might still try to take a shot at Sage
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To my knowledge, that's only worked a hand full of times in the history of the league, Favre being the most recent. Generally, it usually turns out bad for the coach. If they're smart like kubes was after his 1st year here dealing with DC, they'll go ahead & make a move b/c Jackson isn't the answer & Ferotte damn sure isn't.
 
How about Rosenfels to KC now? With the trade today, KC now has 3 3rd rounders along with thier 2nd and 4th. Seems like they have plenty of mid round ammo to entice the Texans.
 
RTP2110 said:
How about Rosenfels to KC now? With the trade today, KC now has 3 3rd rounders along with thier 2nd and 4th. Seems like they have plenty of mid round ammo to entice the Texans.
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why would they want to load up on another mediocre QB that has limited upside...they have that in Brody.
 
if the chiefs package their 3!! 3rd Rounders they could move up into the late first or 2nd Round and possibly get as many as 3 OL in the first 2 rounds. That would completely retool their OL and allow them to get back to Chiefs football of running behind great OL. I would imagine they will be dealing some more to turn their 3rd Rounders into possibly another 1st or maybe 2nd rounder. To get 2 1st Rounders, a 2nd and 3 3rd Rounds is really nice. That is even better than an expansion team gets. I think they did really well trading Allen when his value can't be any higher.
 
this thread is more a statement on the little bit of trade bait this team has, rather than will Sage get traded or not.

heaven help us when we get some real depth...this board may implode due to trade rumors.
 
Silver Oak said:
this thread is more a statement on the little bit of trade bait this team has, rather than will Sage get traded or not.

heaven help us when we get some real depth...this board may implode due to trade rumors.
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If the team didn't secure Quinn I don't think most of us would think Sage would be on the block.
 
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