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Trade Sage Thread?

sage needs to be traded we dont need 4 QB

and its all about what will make the team better

trade sage and get a player in a postion we need .....
 
Sage's value will never be higher than it is right now...period.

He has had his chances to be the "man" but where is he?

Some good points have been made here.

Whoever said "strike while the iron's hot" is right on.

We need picks not sentimental faves.
 
Roc Hoover said:
Sage's value will never be higher than it is right now...period.
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I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (god forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Allen is the best player the Chiefs have (including Larry Johnson), and he's barely 26 years old, so trading him would be an absolutely insane thing for them to do.

Lamar Hunt would never have let it happen - hopefully Clark Hunt will carry on in the same tradition, but who knows.
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If KC can get a 1st and a 3rd this year or a 1st this year and next year's 2nd they'll be all over it.

Allen said a year ago that he wants out of KC. He's franchise tagged this year so there's a risk that KC would lose him to UFA next year - with no compensation. Sounds to me that Allen has played his last in KC and the only remaining question is whether MN pays the hefty price or if some other team like Tampa jumps in.

If it's MN, they won't be trading for a backup QB.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
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Great post!
 
Mr PC said:
I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (god forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
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Well


The Texans are never gonna win a championship with Sage as our QB... Period
 
Bubbajwp said:
Baltimore Ravens Defense
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Defense

Houston Texans Defense
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That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
 
Mr PC said:
I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (God forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
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Imagine Matt doesn't go down? My period still means Sage has had his chances.

We need picks and if we can trade a second stringer for some/a 2nd then do it.

And period means an opinion has more weight? Well alrighty then. I'll start using it everytime I'm right.

Thanks for the clarification. I feel so much better now.
 
Trade the Bum while he is worth something we have a guy with winning experience in Quinn Gray let's pick the extra pick so that we can draft a running back in round #2 and now we can address the Secondary or Pass Rusher in round #1.
 
Mr PC said:
That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
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The main reason I think we should trade Sage is so we can continue to build our defense.

1 olinemen
The rest of the draft Defense.
 
PHAROAH said:
Trade the Bum while he is worth something we have a guy with winning experience in Quinn Gray let's pick the extra pick so that we can draft a running back in round #2 and now we can address the Secondary or Pass Rusher in round #1.
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I'd rather trade Gray. Since he's the "guy with winning experience" he should be worth even more, right?
oh wait, nobody wanted him as a free agent.
gee... wonder why?
 
Glad it’s only six more days to the draft so we’ll have something real to talk about. I can’t wait for the inevitable explosions here (including mine, I confess).
 
ObsiWan said:
I'd rather trade Gray. Since he's the "guy with winning experience" he should be worth even more, right?
oh wait, nobody wanted him as a free agent.
gee... wonder why?
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He had been to GB and Oakland and was scheduled to visit Buffalo after he left here, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
 
Lucky said:
Move up with what? A phantom 2nd round pick from a deal that will never take place? The Texans only have 5 draft picks. Unless they dig into the '09 bag of picks, they don't have the ammo to move up anyway.

Kubiak, Smith, and even McNair have spoken out this offseason in regards to finding a LT to protect Schaub. If one is available that the Texans have a high grade on, I'm certain they will make him their selection. Otherwise, they have to work with what they have and hope Alex Gibbs can preform magic.
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We have nasty habit of losing our next years twoes don't we ? Not advocting here ....but...


Will say if the scenario plays out like McClain is suggeting this morning ....they will be in the same kind of Barrel as they were in '05 when they plucked that preenial all pro DT Travis Johnson off the board. So under that circumstance....not out of the realm of possiblities. as I posted I'll believe a trade up when I see it. If anything they'll move down if they can.

I know a lot of you think I'm crazy with the OLT posts....But I think, truely belive, that if MS is going to advance in his developement the last thing he needs is to repaly HWSNBN. We payed alot for MS beyound the salary. The second two is stinging us this draft. Lot of franchise capitol will go up in smoke if MS get killed next year. I protect that back first thing above and beyond everything else...just me re-doing another face of the franchise in two seasons holds no appeal to me. I'm funny that way.
 
very well put 3toe. echoes my thoughts exactly.

as many can recall, before MS took the two brutal shots, he was on a pace to be in the top 3-4 passers. Building a strong OL is necessary for this offense to develop.
 
threetoedpete said:
Will say if the scenario plays out like McClain is suggeting this morning ....they will be in the same kind of Barrel as they were in '05 when they plucked that preenial all pro DT Travis Johnson off the board. So under that circumstance....not out of the realm of possiblities. as I posted I'll believe a trade up when I see it. If anything they'll move down if they can.
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In 2005 we had the chance to select LT Jammal Brown. He is now a solid Probowl caliber Tackle. We did not have to move anywhere, we could have taken in in our spot. We even could have taken Alex Barron after the trade was made but we didn't. Barron would have been a solid addition to our Oline. We had 1 very good choice and one very solid choice staring us in the face and we didn't pull the trigger. I don't think this year will be like that. If we have a solid OT on the board in round 1 we will take him.
 
awtysst said:
In 2005 we had the chance to select LT Jammal Brown. He is now a solid Probowl caliber Tackle. We did not have to move anywhere, we could have taken in in our spot. We even could have taken Alex Barron after the trade was made but we didn't. Barron would have been a solid addition to our Oline. We had 1 very good choice and one very solid choice staring us in the face and we didn't pull the trigger. I don't think this year will be like that. If we have a solid OT on the board in round 1 we will take him.
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And right now that's looking like a big IF. I just hope the one they (Kubes/Smith/Gibbs) want falls to them. If Williams or Albert is there, I think they take either of them. I'm not sure about any of the others in the 1st round. Most of them have too many "warts," as ttp likes to say. If both of them are gone, then it becomes a question of how much they value who's left at any position, or do we trade down. This is where I think a trade of Sage may come into play.

So, with the #18 pick, if:

1) there is a LT we want (Williams, Albert, etc..) we take him. If not then..
2) take a player we value at another position if available. If not then..
3) take a trade down offer if available. If not then..
4) take a trade (Sage) for a draft pick or picks. If not then..
5) :gun:

Well, we'll see in just 6 more days! :texflag:
 
Lucky said:
Move up with what?
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Kubiak and Smith could possibly move up with Sage instead of offering draft picks. Chicago needs a qb and so does Baltimore. We could possibly trade Sage to Chicago for their 3rd and a swap of 1st round positions which would put us at #14. OR Maybe we could send Sage to Baltimore for a swap of our 1st round pick for theirs and nothing else. You don't get an additional pick but you are sure to land a pretty good prospect at LT, DE, CB, LB or RB. Not sure either team would do a deal like that but it is not so far out that it couldn't happen. If Matt Ryan is gone by #8 then Baltimore just might want to move back.
 
bckey said:
Kubiak and Smith could possibly move up with Sage instead of offering draft picks. Chicago needs a qb and so does Baltimore. We could possibly trade Sage to Chicago for their 3rd and a swap of 1st round positions which would put us at #14. OR Maybe we could send Sage to Baltimore for a swap of our 1st round pick for theirs and nothing else. You don't get an additional pick but you are sure to land a pretty good prospect at LT, DE, CB, LB or RB. Not sure either team would do a deal like that but it is not so far out that it couldn't happen. If Matt Ryan is gone by #8 then Baltimore just might want to move back.
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The only reason for trading up is if theres a LT that they feel they just have to have. Anything other than that and they should just stay their and take what ever DE,LB,DB that falls.
 
Bubbajwp said:
The only reason for trading up is if theres a LT that they feel they just have to have. Anything other than that and they should just stay their and take what ever DE,LB,DB that falls.
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I agree. I wish the draft would hurry up already.:crying:
 
nero THE zero said:
He had been to GB and Oakland and was scheduled to visit Buffalo after he left here, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
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And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.

My point still stands: If I traded of anyone for picks it would be Gray; not Rosenfels.

As for what I actually think will happen...?
We'll stand pat and take the OT or DB who falls to us. Unless by some miracle Mendenhall or Stewart is still available. Then we go RB.

That's my SWAG (Scientific Wild-A$$ Guess for you non-geeks)
 
ObsiWan said:
And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.
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Well, if I understand the situation correctly, his offer couldn't be any worse as he got the minimum. Which is what makes the situation so curious and makes you wonder if there wasn't an under-the-table-agreement regarding his and Sage's futures with the team. Unless there is something about Houston that he likes enough to take a lesser role and possibly smaller contract, which would be odd to say the least.
 
Gray is a Florida boy. I'd bet money that Houston is probably as far north as he wants to live. Plus, there are a few Florida guys on our squad that he knew, if I remember his quotes from when he signed
 
ObsiWan said:
Gray is a Florida boy. I'd bet money that Houston is probably as far north as he wants to live. Plus, there are a few Florida guys on our squad that he knew, if I remember his quotes from when he signed
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Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.

It's not like he's a superstar, looking for a superstar contract, and has the luxury of playing where he feels most comfortable. He's a journeyman QB playing for the veteran minimum. In Green Bay he would have been slated as the number 2 behind a bad, unproven, oft injured QB. In Buffalo he would have been number 2 (assuming Losman is traded/released) behind an unproven QB in Edwards. Either situation would have been better than playing behind Schaub and Rosenfels.

I just don't buy the fact that he settled for less, or equal, money in the worst situation possible because he prefers a warm climate. That doesn't add up.
 
nero THE zero said:
Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.

It's not like he's a superstar, looking for a superstar contract, and has the luxury of playing where he feels most comfortable. He's a journeyman QB playing for the veteran minimum. In Green Bay he would have been slated as the number 2 behind a bad, unproven, oft injured QB. In Buffalo he would have been number 2 (assuming Losman is traded/released) behind an unproven QB in Edwards. Either situation would have been better than playing behind Schaub and Rosenfels.

I just don't bye the fact that he settled for less, or equal, money in the worst situation possible because he prefers a warm climate. That doesn't add up.
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Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
 
Mr PC said:
That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
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Two years later no playoffs. Notice something about all those 3 teams? Yes two of the three won but had significant fall offs afterwards. I'll pass on the dominant defense in favor on a well balanced team that consistantly makes the playoffs.

I'm on board with a Sage trade if we can get a second or swap him for a move up to get a good LT.
 
From HT.com...
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4229

Brooke Bentley: You had a phenomenal game here last year. You threw for over 300 yards and no interceptions. You also have some friends here like Andre Johnson. That’s got to make it an easier transition?

Quinn Gray: It makes it a whole lot easier to come to a team where you know some guys. Andre played in Jacksonville with Anthony Maddox. Travis Johnson played in Tallahassee at Florida State. You know, I know quite a few of the guys on the team and I’m looking forward to the opportunity to start with a fresh start.
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...and maybe he does think he can unseat Sage as the #2 man, who knows...
 
nero THE zero said:
Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.
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Some people are just so ignorant... it's like they never been in a competitive sport before, or competed for something before in their life.:rolleyes:

Why don't you guys look through Quinn's eyes for a moment.

You're a 28 year old QB, you've been in the league for 5 years. You're coming off a career game and entering FA that has a weak QB class. You get offers from 5 different team, but you choose the lowest offer, wanting to settle as the 3rd string? Just because he want to learn under sensei Kubiak? Just because he has friends here? Yea, I'm sure he doesn't have friends anywhere else but Houston. I'm sure these are his only reason for coming here. I mean forget about getting more money, or getting a bigger role somewhere. Who needs those when you have friends and a great QB coach.:rolleyes:
 
I dunno, what should Kubiak do if Shanny calls him up in the afternoon of the 26th and says we're going to take LT Chris Williams with out #12, but we'll
swap picks with you right now if you send us Sage ?
 
HPF Bob said:
And maybe he's been quietly assured that he won't be the #3 quarterback.
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I'm of the mind that Rosenfels will be traded if the stars line up on draft day. Let's say a team in the top 13 are looking at Matt Ryans and they don't like the other QB's...perhaps they have already told the Texans they would make a deal for Rosenfels for their 3rd rounder (or whatever). The team that needs a QB doesn't have to force a pick and still get a guy who can start with the pick they send to the Texans. The Texans couldn't make that Gentleman's deal without having Quinn under contract, ready to back up Schaub.
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, what should Kubiak do if Shanny calls him up in the afternoon of the 26th and says we're going to take LT Chris Williams with out #12, but we'll
swap picks with you right now if you send us Sage ?
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Probably ask him why he's drunk/high on draft day (although this could explain Maurice Clarett and a few other things about recent Denver drafts). Cutler's entrenched as the starter, and Patrick Ramsey's a decent NFL backup QB.

Ignoring the likeliness - or lack thereof - of the offer, he may well say yes. It guarantees him a player I believe the Texans covet and wouldn't get otherwise, and if you look at the PFT trade chart, 18 for 12 is roughly equal to getting a very late 2nd rounder for Sage.
 
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