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sage won't be traded.
Oh, yeah?
Well I think Sage WILL be traded by next week!
*quick someone agree with me*
Sage's value will never be higher than it is right now...period.
Allen is the best player the Chiefs have (including Larry Johnson), and he's barely 26 years old, so trading him would be an absolutely insane thing for them to do.
Lamar Hunt would never have let it happen - hopefully Clark Hunt will carry on in the same tradition, but who knows.
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.
It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.
The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.
Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.
Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.
Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.
There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.
I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (god forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
Oh, yeah?
Well I think Sage WILL be traded by next week!
*quick someone agree with me*
Well
The Texans are never gonna win a championship with Sage as our QB... Period
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I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (God forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
Trade the Bum while he is worth something we have a guy with winning experience in Quinn Gray let's pick the extra pick so that we can draft a running back in round #2 and now we can address the Secondary or Pass Rusher in round #1.
I'd rather trade Gray. Since he's the "guy with winning experience" he should be worth even more, right?
oh wait, nobody wanted him as a free agent.
gee... wonder why?
Move up with what? A phantom 2nd round pick from a deal that will never take place? The Texans only have 5 draft picks. Unless they dig into the '09 bag of picks, they don't have the ammo to move up anyway.
Kubiak, Smith, and even McNair have spoken out this offseason in regards to finding a LT to protect Schaub. If one is available that the Texans have a high grade on, I'm certain they will make him their selection. Otherwise, they have to work with what they have and hope Alex Gibbs can preform magic.
Will say if the scenario plays out like McClain is suggeting this morning ....they will be in the same kind of Barrel as they were in '05 when they plucked that preenial all pro DT Travis Johnson off the board. So under that circumstance....not out of the realm of possiblities. as I posted I'll believe a trade up when I see it. If anything they'll move down if they can.
In 2005 we had the chance to select LT Jammal Brown. He is now a solid Probowl caliber Tackle. We did not have to move anywhere, we could have taken in in our spot. We even could have taken Alex Barron after the trade was made but we didn't. Barron would have been a solid addition to our Oline. We had 1 very good choice and one very solid choice staring us in the face and we didn't pull the trigger. I don't think this year will be like that. If we have a solid OT on the board in round 1 we will take him.
Move up with what?
Kubiak and Smith could possibly move up with Sage instead of offering draft picks. Chicago needs a qb and so does Baltimore. We could possibly trade Sage to Chicago for their 3rd and a swap of 1st round positions which would put us at #14. OR Maybe we could send Sage to Baltimore for a swap of our 1st round pick for theirs and nothing else. You don't get an additional pick but you are sure to land a pretty good prospect at LT, DE, CB, LB or RB. Not sure either team would do a deal like that but it is not so far out that it couldn't happen. If Matt Ryan is gone by #8 then Baltimore just might want to move back.
The only reason for trading up is if theres a LT that they feel they just have to have. Anything other than that and they should just stay their and take what ever DE,LB,DB that falls.
He had been to GB and Oakland and was scheduled to visit Buffalo after he left here, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
Sage needs to remain a TEXAN!!
Well, if I understand the situation correctly, his offer couldn't be any worse as he got the minimum. Which is what makes the situation so curious and makes you wonder if there wasn't an under-the-table-agreement regarding his and Sage's futures with the team. Unless there is something about Houston that he likes enough to take a lesser role and possibly smaller contract, which would be odd to say the least.And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.
And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.
From my understanding it WAS league minimum.
That's why I'm surprised he didn't at least go to Buffalo just to see if they'd offer more than league minimum.
Gray is a Florida boy. I'd bet money that Houston is probably as far north as he wants to live. Plus, there are a few Florida guys on our squad that he knew, if I remember his quotes from when he signed
Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.
It's not like he's a superstar, looking for a superstar contract, and has the luxury of playing where he feels most comfortable. He's a journeyman QB playing for the veteran minimum. In Green Bay he would have been slated as the number 2 behind a bad, unproven, oft injured QB. In Buffalo he would have been number 2 (assuming Losman is traded/released) behind an unproven QB in Edwards. Either situation would have been better than playing behind Schaub and Rosenfels.
I just don't bye the fact that he settled for less, or equal, money in the worst situation possible because he prefers a warm climate. That doesn't add up.
That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
Brooke Bentley: You had a phenomenal game here last year. You threw for over 300 yards and no interceptions. You also have some friends here like Andre Johnson. That’s got to make it an easier transition?
Quinn Gray: It makes it a whole lot easier to come to a team where you know some guys. Andre played in Jacksonville with Anthony Maddox. Travis Johnson played in Tallahassee at Florida State. You know, I know quite a few of the guys on the team and I’m looking forward to the opportunity to start with a fresh start.
Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.
I'm of the mind that Rosenfels will be traded if the stars line up on draft day. Let's say a team in the top 13 are looking at Matt Ryans and they don't like the other QB's...perhaps they have already told the Texans they would make a deal for Rosenfels for their 3rd rounder (or whatever). The team that needs a QB doesn't have to force a pick and still get a guy who can start with the pick they send to the Texans. The Texans couldn't make that Gentleman's deal without having Quinn under contract, ready to back up Schaub.And maybe he's been quietly assured that he won't be the #3 quarterback.
I'm waiting for Sage to turn into future HOFer who we shouldn't even accept a 1st rounder for....
I'd get a comfortable chair and a good book.
I dunno, what should Kubiak do if Shanny calls him up in the afternoon of the 26th and says we're going to take LT Chris Williams with out #12, but we'll
swap picks with you right now if you send us Sage ?
Did something happen? Why did the title to this thread change?