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we will win the AFC south divison and make it to the SB some how
also we will finally beat INdy in Indy
I was waiting for TX to legalize Mary J....
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we will win the AFC south divison and make it to the SB some how
also we will finally beat INdy in Indy
Unfortunately, it's not just an excuse. I have been a strength coach for almost 20 years, and I have witnessed high level athletes perform like crap because their nervous system is fatigued. I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the body can only handle so much stress, and it treats all stress the same. Think of your body as bath tub with multiple faucets that can fill the tub. We are obviously having a crap season so that creates stress, O'Brien is supposed to be a hard ass, coming down very hard players - more stress, you have the stress that every player goes through during practices and games and finally you add in a strength and conditioning program that is overly stressful, eventually the bath tub overflows and the body is fried.
Also, unfortunately, most strength and conditioning coaches get jobs based on who they know. I work with a number of college athletes during the summers and I get the opportunity to look at ALOT of different programs - the range from pretty good to absolute crap - it's shocking. Some of the crap programs come from big name schools.
I use a system called the Omegawave, which effectively shows me how an athlete's body is functioning before we start a session. I'll have athletes that test poorly but tell me they feel fine. Being dedicated and hardworking, they'll want to try their normal workout for the day, and it almost never goes well for them.
Well what else was he gonna say? That game was scorched earth bad & truthfully he couldn't be complimentary about anything we did that day....including the coaching...
And one more, because he validates one of my observations.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 15h15 hours ago
Players in the Texans' locker room have called the atmosphere as college-like. The rotations of QBs, quirky OL moves, S moves etc, fits.
I don't think enough attention has been paid to the line shuffling. It seems more like college cuteness than a practical use of resources. This first occurred to me when Filo was shuffled his rookie pre-season instead of being given the chance to learn his position. O'Brien has been idealistic on this, and ignoring the reality that NFL players are specialists. Sometimes shuffling works, but not with rookies and free agents with no chemistry. Hell, our vets are frustrated with it; Derek Newton allowed two consecutive sacks trying to play right guard in the Dolphins game. The players can't be buying it anymore.
Wasn't everyone on NFLN praising Hoodie for doing this same thing this year, and how it was so cutting edge?
_hire a college coach_
_get a college atmosphere_
The strength coach thing is absurd. They are pros
and mostly control their own workload due to the
players CBA.
_these_
_are_
_excuses_
Yes, because that is exactly what happened with terrible coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, and the Harbaugh brothers.
Well, if we're doing this by halves, the Texans record is 6-7-1. Yeah, that is a lot better than 2-5. You go Bill!!!!O'Brien last night: "We've only played 7 games. There is still a lot of football left to play."
Ummmm, coach, 7 games is almost halfway through the season.
At least his guys "battled it out" and they WON THE SECOND HALF!!!
Seriously, he said this. They.Won.The.Second.Half.
Jimmy I'll give you, though he only lasted 7 years in the NFL. Carroll had 15 years in the NFL before going to the Seahawks. Chip Kelly is blowing up the Eagles by trying to turn them into a college team. John was going into his 10th season with the Eagles when the Ravens hired him. Jim had a 14 year NFL career before getting into coaching.
Unlike the above coaches who had NFL experience as well as success at the college levels, Bill had all of 4 years in the NFL and a career of coaching small schools who's records got WORSE during his time there.
Well, if we're doing this by halves, the Texans record is 6-7-1. Yeah, that is a lot better than 2-5. You go Bill!!!!
The difference is that those guys were given time to learn their natural positions first, then build chemistry. O'Brien came in thinking he could just replicate the same success through will power.
Every half is a season!
(They should fire the backup punter next!)
I think the biggest difference is that they have Tom Brady and a well run team.
Oline shuffling is not something I like at all. But I think when you have a good/great team you can do a lot of things and get away with it.
The Texans aren't well coached and they don't have a single qb on the roster that even inspires an inkling of hope.
When you have shitty qb's behind a jumbled oline it's going to look really bad. I can see shuffling one or two positions, but not 4 or 5. That's madness.
That means almost the entire oline is constantly having to work through some awkwardness which involves both mental and physical hurdles.
Even just going from left to right is something that takes some adjustment. Changing down to guard or out to tackle is a completely new world. And then the communication you develop with the guy next to you is out of the window.
There are a lot of moves that make me want OB gone, however this is just one more thing that makes me believe that he doesn't really understand football at all levels, or he's flat out ignoring basic things because he believes he has "the gift" or something. Like he has the special sauce to make the dish work even though he's mixing pig feet and dog vomit.
He's gotta take a step back and realize this team isn't that good and he's not coaching Jesus and his assistants aren't the freaking wise men.
McNair is not firing this clown, so the only hope I can have as a fan right now is that he improves as a coach. It's a shame that it might take a clusterfuck of a season, but if he ultimately learns from it, so be it.
Meanwhile I'm getting mentally prepared to watch these Rockets tonight. Win, lose or draw I at least believe they have people in charge that understand the landscape of the sport they are working in.
Well said, man. I'm a firm believer of the philosophy that games are won in the trenches. And as part of that perspective, it is widely understood that the longer an offensive line has to work with each other, the better they will be as a unit.
What is going on with the Texans right now spits in the face of that time proven wisdom. Like you said, O'Brien either doesn't understand this basic concept (which I would be shocked if this was the case), or - and most likely - he believes that his coaching style can ignore basic concepts and overcome through scheme and/or instruction and/or whatever.
Regardless of the mentality behind it, sending out barely mediocre QBs behind a Swiss cheese revolving line is complete folly.
I'm just a fan, so I'm not going to act like I have all the answers. However, as a fan, I have a fairly decent understanding of football history. What I do not get is the...arrogance, I guess, of disregarding decades of concepts that have been developed and tested by some of the greatest football minds in history. If a revolving line and platoon QB were feasible, it would have been implemented with success and copied many decades ago. But, history reveals the exact opposite, that these concepts have been tried repeatedly and always fail. I do not understand a modern NFL head coach doing things that have no chance of success based on football history. It is myopic, to say the least.
No concept should be implemented if it requires a HoF QB to work and you don't have a HoF QB available.
Then there's the Defense......
Then there's the Defense......
I've got to defend the OL shuffling. That's been due, in large part, to injuries. Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you said.I think the biggest difference is that they have Tom Brady and a well run team.
Oline shuffling is not something I like at all. But I think when you have a good/great team you can do a lot of things and get away with it.
The Texans aren't well coached and they don't have a single qb on the roster that even inspires an inkling of hope.
When you have shitty qb's behind a jumbled oline it's going to look really bad. I can see shuffling one or two positions, but not 4 or 5. That's madness.
That means almost the entire oline is constantly having to work through some awkwardness which involves both mental and physical hurdles.
Even just going from left to right is something that takes some adjustment. Changing down to guard or out to tackle is a completely new world. And then the communication you develop with the guy next to you is out of the window.
There are a lot of moves that make me want OB gone, however this is just one more thing that makes me believe that he doesn't really understand football at all levels, or he's flat out ignoring basic things because he believes he has "the gift" or something. Like he has the special sauce to make the dish work even though he's mixing pig feet and dog vomit.
He's gotta take a step back and realize this team isn't that good and he's not coaching Jesus and his assistants aren't the freaking wise men.
McNair is not firing this clown, so the only hope I can have as a fan right now is that he improves as a coach. It's a shame that it might take a clusterfuck of a season, but if he ultimately learns from it, so be it.
Meanwhile I'm getting mentally prepared to watch these Rockets tonight. Win, lose or draw I at least believe they have people in charge that understand the landscape of the sport they are working in.
Yes, because that is exactly what happened with terrible coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, and the Harbaugh brothers.
Bill Obrian.
I think we should put together an all TexansTalk group to replace the current regime.
GM - Texian; he wants the job and hell he couldn't possibly be worse.
Head Coach - Thorn; because a Head Coach should cuss and not give a sh!t what anyone thinks.
OC - xtruroyaltyx; has a much better understanding of football than anyone on the Texans staff.
DC - infantrycak; someone needs to make these MF's meaner!
Special Teams - powerfuldragon; because dragons eat people.
Medical staff- CnD; goes without saying.
QB - norg; because he'd play a lot smarter than we've seen this season.
Cheerleader inspections - that's my job, but I am taking resumes for an assistant!
"Nobody talks about theHouston Texans because nobody thinks we're gonna win. And the disrespect that they show our quarterbacks? I'm tired of that, too. Because both those kids can play. They just need a chance and one of them is going to get it. Enough is enough. Every player that is out there -- all 90 players -- are players that I want for the 2015 season. When you f------ guys show up to practice tomorrow, they better be ready to f------ go."
Bill Obrian.
Wasn't everyone on NFLN praising Hoodie for doing this same thing this year, and how it was so cutting edge?
No doubt about it. Defense has got to be THE most disappointing aspect of this season. Not only do they seem constantly out of position - which points to bad play calling and schemes - but the players themselves seem slow to react, unable to swarm the ball, unmotivated to create turnovers, and perhaps worst of all, fail at basic fundamentals like angle of pursuit and TACKLING. Truly pathetic when you consider they are professionals out there.
I've got to defend the OL shuffling. That's been due, in large part, to injuries. Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Remember Belichick's 1st couple of years in Cleveland? Not great, but damn he sure learned his lesson! Hopefully OB can do the same thing if he isn't going to get fired.
Our safeties, with Raheem Moore being the worst of all of them. Moore has been the worst FA signing since Reed, imo. If he's not biting on PA he's taking bogus angles and missing tackles. Three years later and Glover Quin continues to be dearly missed
All you left for me was "Owner".
OK, I'll take it if I must.
By the way I'm firing all of you and going the "backup a truck of money to Eliot Wolf's house and then go looking for a HC route"
Yes, because Bill Obrien won multiple Natty's, or played in them -- or made appearances in the (or
won) a superbowl.
Comparing the guys you listed to BoB is like comparing Brian Hoyer to Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, and Terry Bradshaw/Roger Staubach
"Nobody talks about theHouston Texans because nobody thinks we're gonna win. And the disrespect that they show our quarterbacks? I'm tired of that, too. Because both those kids can play. They just need a chance and one of them is going to get it. Enough is enough. Every player that is out there -- all 90 players -- are players that I want for the 2015 season. When you f------ guys show up to practice tomorrow, they better be ready to f------ go."
Bill Obrian.
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 6h6 hours ago
Bill O'Brien is asked if the #Texans have done a good job disguising what they're doing on offense and defense. "Obviously not," he says.
And O'Brien "has to figure out how to coach these guys better".
His words, not mine, and perhaps the most pathetic thing I've ever heard from a professional head coach's mouth.
WHy are you posting this to take shots at OB? Hell, you were just as enthusiastic as he was about the QB situation and was a lot more vicious towards anyone who questioned it than anything he ever said.
If the play on the field is a direct reflection of coaching - why do we still have the same coaches?
Very disappointed that RAC is still here for sure.
Too late to change schemes on either side of the ball, but a different approach to things couldn't hurt.
I haven't completely given up on OBrien ...yet... but I hope he doesn't choose to go down with the ship.
Nobody gets it completely right the first time. ( except the boss )
Hope he is a quick study. Make changes...soon.
I never played the game. I just watch it. I've watched my entire life (like a lot of you) but I've never really thought I knew what it was like inside a team or what things looked like to the players or coaches. Bob McNair I feel like comes from the same basic stock as most of us where the depth of his understanding comes from. I see him as a big, rich, heavily invested fan. Some fans are smart and some are stupid. Some of them think they know what they're looking at and some really do. I don't know Bob McNair (or Cal) well enough to know which group they fall into for certain but I do know that they appear to think they're doing things the right way.
Our biggest issue has always been drafting. I think we've never had people who were seriously good at identifying talent either in scouting positions or in the GM spot making the call on who we take. We hit on 1st and sometimes 2nd round picks like everyone else does but we simply don't identify football players well in the crowd once you get down to the 3rd round and beyond where they all start to look the same to the uneducated eye.
The lack of ability to evaluate players extends to guys already on our roster where we hold on to busts too long, sign other teams castoffs to bad deals too often, and give out contracts to players that aren't realistic reflections of what they can do today. We have no eye for talent from McNair on down. Nobody can see a football player unless he's an elite football player that the whole world can also see (consensus 1st rounder). When guys with first round grades who don't deserve them fall in the draft we jump in like we just discovered gold like bad teams do while smart teams back away and keep drafting guys we've never heard of or don't have high on our board.
This inability to evaluate has transcended three coaches and two GM's so it's bigger than either of those positions (but clearly none of those guys were able to correct it either so they've been a big part of the problem)
McNair can't do it because he's a glorified fan at heart.
Can't replace the owner so the only path out of this mess is I guess another GM and it has to be one who is a proven commodity if at all possible. That GM has to be allowed to do his job and both tear down whatever the hell it is that now exists in the wake of what Casserly and Smith did over the years in regards to scouting and build a legit talent evaluating apparatus in its place as well as hiring a new HC to assemble a staff and put all of this together.
McNair can be of little help in this. That's established. He needs to sign checks and step aside.
Part of me agrees with u & part of me says they'll wait till end of season ( less publicized in off season).....but truthfully....I don't really have a freakin clue W/these guys WHEN or WHAT they'll do next....One thing we can ALL say they've been consistent on is.......not being consistentIf we lost to the Titans, I would expect a coaching change. Not saying it would be a total house cleaning, but someone is going to be held accountable, or at least should.
If the play on the field is a direct reflection of coaching - why do we still have the same coaches?
Jerome Soloman article says ex-Texan players saying Obriens act is wearing thin very fast.....Doesn't say who these players are that Soloman is quoting.