Blake Bortles was a franchise QB. LOL
I will take Corrosion's description of what a franchise QB is.
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Blake Bortles was a franchise QB. LOL
I will take Corrosion's description of what a franchise QB is.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
And for a period of time, he was.
And that is your choice, doesn't make it the correct one. By Corrosion's description, Foles is a Franchise QBs.
A bad QB is a Bad QB, just because he's the face of the franchise doesn't make him a franchise QB. I'm not saying DW4's a bad QB. Just an avg QB.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Again, by Corrosion's definition of Franchise QB, Foles would be considered one. I don't agree.
Ever heard of the word outlier?
If an idiot owner pays his QB then he's a franchise QB?
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Outlier? Yes. Foles still falls into the "franchise QB" ranks based on the definition you agreed with.
He is that "idiot owners" franchise QB, yes.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
I guess this can be considered a happy medium maybe most of us here can agree with.
“The Franchise”
Rather than “franchise QB,” these players are basically “The franchise.” Their presence on the roster means that you’re settling in for a long haul of building around this player, cowtow to their needs, playing into their strengths, hiring coaches who can elevate their talents rather than asking the player to play to what the coach wants to do, and finding personnel who can fall in line behind them.
The name I’m least comfortable with here is Watson. He’s only played 2.5 seasons as a starter, he takes a lot of sacks, and he’s now entering the post-DeAndre Hopkins era. But Watson has also been so good, getting overshadowed by the fact that Mahomes is maybe the best QB to enter the league in two decades.
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“The Franchise”
Rather than “franchise QB,” these players are basically “The franchise.” Their presence on the roster means that you’re settling in for a long haul of building around this player, cowtow to their needs, playing into their strengths, hiring coaches who can elevate their talents rather than asking the player to play to what the coach wants to do, and finding personnel who can fall in line behind them.
The name I’m least comfortable with here is Watson. He’s only played 2.5 seasons as a starter, he takes a lot of sacks, and he’s now entering the post-DeAndre Hopkins era. But Watson has also been so good, getting overshadowed by the fact that Mahomes is maybe the best QB to enter the league in two decades.
What is a ‘franchise QB’?
And do the LA Rams have one or do they just have the contract of one?
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banned1976
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Mahomes is NOT a franchise quarterback. He's a generational quarterback. As long as he stays healthy, and the Chief's continue to foster a stellar (by most teams standard) supporting cast he will go down in the conversation as GOAT along with Tom Brady.
For the record, for anyone reading this, it pains me to proclaim all that I have about Mahomes, especially in this thread. The one that I created for Watson and his staunch supporters.
Perhaps this thread should be moved to the NFL section. It's more about quarterbacks in general now anyway; less and less about Watson and Texans passing game.
dream_team
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This thread has been derailed a while ago and was never brought back on track. lol
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
So you are saying the Texans possessed all the positional talent to win the big playoff games and Watson was exclusively the reason for the losses....correct?
I think the Texans AFCS gold was fools gold and it reared its ugly head in every big playoff game. The teams shortcomings came into full view and OB/Staff just continually came up short.
So Jim Plunkett who had way more TDs than Ints in his career is a franchise QB?
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He was so great he was the franchised QB of 4 different teams.
So Jim McMahon, who never had more than 13 starts in a season, is a franchised QB?
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dream_team
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The "what is a franchise QB" debate is lame. Everyone has their own definition, so no one is particularly wrong. And whenever you do give your definition, there's always outliers that will fit your mold. It's always a pointless debate that goes nowhere.
Doug Williams, the franchised QB that was relegated to back up duty and then waived so the Redskins can bring in a cheaper benchwarmer?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Miami is a fine example: Dan Marino lost the only SB he participated in, yet my guess is not one Miami fan wouldn’t consider him their Franchise QB.
So Dan Marino isn't a franchised QB, but he lasted 17 years?
That franchise FO and owner must be really stupid?
In general, the Dolphins fans and the media consider him the best QB of the franchise, over Bob Griese, who had two SB rings.
They must be delusional just the same?
Not necessarily quoting you to answer corrosion's view point, but since you brought up Mahomes...
Peyton Manning didn't win it until his 10th season as a starter.
Up to that point, his playoff record was 3-6.
So he wasn't a franchised QB and the Colts should have cut him a long time before that?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Big homie you and I know what time it is. Peyton was a turnover machine at the beginning of his career. He was not clutch in the playoffs either.
But hey Watson’s play so far is between poor and meddling.
Yeap.
Lost in 1st round first 3 times in the playoffs with pedestrian numbers.
Less than 190 yds per game, 1 TD, 2 Ints total in 3 games.
Colts got shut out 0-41 by a 9-7 Jets team.
The 4th time around, he threw 4 Ints in the Championship game.
Definitely NOT a franchised QB. LOL.
Shoot.
Even during the SB run in 2006, he totalled 3 TDs and 7 Ints.
LOL.
I bet you if we replace Manning and Watson's names, "they" would turn around and change the definition of "franchised QB".
Texansballer74
The Marine
QB Power Rankings 2020: Brady, Mahomes make final push as NFL's best signal-caller
With the conclusion of Super Bowl LV and the 2020 season, will Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes top PFN's final QB power rankings of 2020?
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#5 – Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans ⇑1
Season: 7 GP | 2,095 yards (2nd) | 69.5% (6th) | 7.6 avg CAY (T-2nd) | 15 TDs (T-6th) | 2.1 INT% (T-16th) | 29.57 OVM (5th) | 147 rush yards (9th) | 1 rush TD (T-12th)
But did he win the big games like Tannehill?QB Power Rankings 2020: Brady, Mahomes make final push as NFL's best signal-caller
With the conclusion of Super Bowl LV and the 2020 season, will Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes top PFN's final QB power rankings of 2020?
#5 – Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans ⇑1
Season: 7 GP | 2,095 yards (2nd) | 69.5% (6th) | 7.6 avg CAY (T-2nd) | 15 TDs (T-6th) | 2.1 INT% (T-16th) | 29.57 OVM (5th) | 147 rush yards (9th) | 1 rush TD (T-12th)
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theCATALYST
Football Messiah
QB Power Rankings 2020: Brady, Mahomes make final push as NFL's best signal-caller
With the conclusion of Super Bowl LV and the 2020 season, will Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes top PFN's final QB power rankings of 2020?
#5 – Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans ⇑1
Season: 7 GP | 2,095 yards (2nd) | 69.5% (6th) | 7.6 avg CAY (T-2nd) | 15 TDs (T-6th) | 2.1 INT% (T-16th) | 29.57 OVM (5th) | 147 rush yards (9th) | 1 rush TD (T-12th)
Only 5? I would place him at 4. Tannehill benefits from having an actual team around him, and competent coaching.
PFF has Watson at no. 4, with Tannehill dropping to 11.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.........the INSANITY!!!!!!!
Decim8
Veteran
Dont you know its garbage time stats man.....lolQB Power Rankings 2020: Brady, Mahomes make final push as NFL's best signal-caller
With the conclusion of Super Bowl LV and the 2020 season, will Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes top PFN's final QB power rankings of 2020?
#5 – Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans ⇑1
Season: 7 GP | 2,095 yards (2nd) | 69.5% (6th) | 7.6 avg CAY (T-2nd) | 15 TDs (T-6th) | 2.1 INT% (T-16th) | 29.57 OVM (5th) | 147 rush yards (9th) | 1 rush TD (T-12th)
nah but seriously guys can we all jump back on topic, I like when yous break down watsons plays whether they good or bad
Based on their grades?
The term is Middling.
Definition of MIDDLING
of middle, medium, or moderate size, degree, or quality; mediocre, second-rate; of, relating to, or being a middle class… See the full definition
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Not Meddling.
Definition of MEDDLING
to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety… See the full definition
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The term is Middling.
Definition of MIDDLING
of middle, medium, or moderate size, degree, or quality; mediocre, second-rate; of, relating to, or being a middle class… See the full definition
Not Meddling.
Definition of MEDDLING
to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety… See the full definition
DW4 is a middling QB.
The McNair's spend most of their time meddling with the people who run the football side of the org.
I thought I would try to use those words in sentences that could be easily understood.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The term is Middling.
Definition of MIDDLING
of middle, medium, or moderate size, degree, or quality; mediocre, second-rate; of, relating to, or being a middle class… See the full definition
Not Meddling.
Definition of MEDDLING
to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety… See the full definition
Man gone on with this crap. So what I made a darn typo. Good freakin grief. Oh my bad good freaking grief
Let's get this thread back on track
Since Fuller will be here for the rest of the season, how about some good plays between Watson and Fuller:
Texansballer74
The Marine
So very wish we'd had a chance to see these two progress together in an organized and cohesive offensive scheme..
Genuinely could've been consistently dangerous..
Explains why you accept mediocrity.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
We never used to get YAC
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The Marine
Pretty good company
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Put an asterisk by the others....I’m pretty ducking sure the others weren’t strapped to a shite-show like the Texans when they posted their numbers.
All in the middle of a streak of 9 consecutive bad games. Kid's got talent.
With much of those statistics being meaningless .... after the game had been decided / in garbage time.