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Could anyone tell me what the exact deals of the trade are? Is it just a second for Schaub? Or did we give up more?
HEY VINNY IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR THE NEW NAME...........(damn I'm still thinking )
He did start for them, but only five total gmes in 2000. I'm not sure he was ever their "starter" per se...
One thing I never realized is that he started 14 games for the 'Skins in '98.
Señor Stan;633380 said:Doing a little draft chartin'
Swapping 1sts = 100pts
#39 this year = 510 pts
mid second rd next year = 190 pts ( usually picks in next year's draft drop a rounds worth of value)
That makes for a total of 800 pts or the equivalent of the 21st pick of the draft this year. It is also the same number of points it would take to move up to #3 this year.
This doesn't include whatever they can get for Carr in a trade ...
Señor Stan;633412 said:Typical Schaub homer rhetoric.
Sage is his back up and wont cost 9 mil a year...we can put that money to get some other players next year.I'm happy. How's this..... keep Carr as our backup? Just a thought.
Starting for the first five games is still a starter, he WAS the incumbent starter, it wasn't like he was an unknown backup QB that the Chiefs got from the Rams.
2007 2nd round pick
2008 2nd round pick
swap of first rounders in 2007
Texans move from #8 to #10
I somehow hope that AD falls to 8 and the Falcons draft him...I dont like this deal at all....I wasnt even crazy about it when it was just 1 2nd round pick...let alone 2 2nds and a swap of firsts....Rick Smith took a beating on this deal IMO....Schaub has proven absolutely nothing to this point to be giving up essentially a first round pick for(which is what all the picks add up to)...I hate the fact of giving up the 2 2nds more than the swap of picks in the first...
I think there would have been a top tier DB available at #39 that would have been able to help out in the long run...I guess all the Sage lovers are sad today cause their guy seems to still be the backup...I hope Carr gets a third this yr and a third next yr at least or I will be VERY dissapointed in the FO with this deal.
Señor Stan;633380 said:Doing a little draft chartin'
Swapping 1sts = 100pts
#39 this year = 510 pts
mid second rd next year = 190 pts ( usually picks in next year's draft drop a rounds worth of value)
That makes for a total of 800 pts or the equivalent of the 21st pick of the draft this year. It is also the same number of points it would take to move up to #3 this year.
This doesn't include whatever they can get for Carr in a trade ...
hmm..it amounts to a late 1st round pick which is ok in my book for a young, highly regarded qb
schaub hasnt proven anything?? well hes proven more than quinn and russell.. yeah we take a hit at #39 but it will be more than worth it if schaub works out as hoped
I'm happy. How's this..... keep Carr as our backup? Just a thought. He'll most likely be a backup no matter where he goes.
Do you think we draft a QB next year?
Man, it feels good to finally see some action that's positive. Too bad the season doesn't start next week. I'm READY!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know what you people are talking about. This is an excllent deal. We get an up and coming starting QB far superior to any we had on the roster, and all we give up is 2 2nd rounders and swap 2 spots in the 1st rd? Are you kidding me? Good QB's don't just grow on trees.
The way I see it, we were going to pick a QB in either rd 1, 2 or 3. Let's say we had drafted a rookie in rd 2. Instead we just drafted a young more proven and seasoned vet in rd 2. In return, we get some kind of compensation for Carr, so we need to see there. Also, we can always try to trade down and recoup one or both 2nd rounders. But, even if Carr is cut, and we stay at #10, this is an excellent deal.
The comments of some about how Schaub's numbers aren't good proves the old adage that liars figure and figures lie. I have seen Schaub play. Apparently, you guys have not. The guy can play rings around Carr. You guys can have Carr and his high competion percentage. Give me Schaub and his so called bad numbers any day. I never thought it was possible because I thought we had to surrender a 1st and 3rd. Great deal, and the greatest day in Texans history to this point.
How could you hate the deal, I could give more production that our QB did down the stretch last year
Mark (Porky) is more of a Texans fan than a fan of Carr...unlike many of the Carr homers it seems.I'm just wondering now Porky how long you're support for Schaub will last ? Will he get two full seasons from you even if the rubber on the road doesn't meat with you "assement ? Inquiring minds want to know.
If he is SO highly regarded...how come he hadnt been traded yet?
If he is SO highly regarded...how come he hadnt been traded yet?
We all know this much....one year later he ran away from Carr as fast as he could. If you couldn't figure out Carr wasn't that good and dissapointed Kubiak, this ought to be a big fat clue. Besides, Kubiak will never admit it but backing Carr was a way to get his hometown job. McNair and Casserly are to blame for re-upping Carr last year. I don't blame Kubiak for telling them what they want to hear till he got in and got busy.wasnt it just last year when kubes thought carr was our guy. he cant have near as much information on schaub(who never starts) than he did on carr. hope he is right this time.
If he is SO highly regarded...how come he hadnt been traded yet?
This is the first year he has been eligible....he was traded within 30 days of his first elibility to visit FA.If he is SO highly regarded...how come he hadnt been traded yet?
Actually he was the back-up in Washington and got traded to Stl but he got hurt and Kurt took over and that is when he was traded to KC. He was not a starter for a full complete season.
I was pissed after originally hearing about this 30 minutes ago. Now I'm fine with it for several reasons:
1. This means we won't be grafting Brady Carr...er....Quinn.
2. This most likely puts us in a better spot to take Landry or Nelson instead of "reaching" at #8
3. Carr will certainly be gone soon and we will get something in return even if it's a 4th rounder (crossing fingers)
4. This proves that our front office is actually at work and not on the back nine somewhere.
I would be happier with this year's 2nd and next year's 3rd, but I can live with the deal as is for the reasons above.
Mark (Porky) is more of a Texans fan than a fan of Carr...unlike many of the Carr homers it seems.
Everything in life that is good requires some pain, hard work, and risks...
We are to presume that you are any semblance of an athlete that can at least run 10 yards without being out of breath? That's probably longer then the typical distance of a typical fridge from a typical couch...
We all know this much....one year later he ran away from Carr as fast as he could. If you couldn't figure out Carr wasn't that good and dissapointed Kubiak, this ought to be a big fat clue. Besides, Kubiak will never admit it but backing Carr was a way to get his hometown job. McNair and Casserly are to blame for re-upping Carr last year. I don't blame Kubiak for telling them what they want to hear till he got in and got busy.
We all know this much....one year later he ran away from Carr as fast as he could. If you couldn't figure out Carr wasn't that good and dissapointed Kubiak, this ought to be a big fat clue. Besides, Kubiak will never admit it but backing Carr was a way to get his hometown job. McNair and Casserly are to blame for re-upping Carr last year. I don't blame Kubiak for telling them what they want to hear till he got in and got busy.
We all know this much....one year later he ran away from Carr as fast as he could. If you couldn't figure out Carr wasn't that good and dissapointed Kubiak, this ought to be a big fat clue. Besides, Kubiak will never admit it but backing Carr was a way to get his hometown job. McNair and Casserly are to blame for re-upping Carr last year. I don't blame Kubiak for telling them what they want to hear till he got in and got busy.
considering I almost got a spot on the boxing olympic team......yeah I can run at least 10 yards without running out of breath.........
Those "other considers" in addition to this years 2 rounder did get pricey,Swap of 1st in 07, 2nd in 07, and 2nd in 08. This feels a bit pricey to me.
Mark (Porky) is more of a Texans fan than a fan of Carr...unlike many of the Carr homers it seems.
You are getting a player with 3 years of league experience instead of gambling on a rookie QB.So they are trading pick 8, trading second rd picks this yr and next??? for pick 10 and schaub? isn't that a bit much. We could move up and get peterson or russel for that (if carr is going to oakland)
Well you just put the clubs fortunes for the next three years on that..."assement". Fifty percent is fifty percent...no matter which liar posts them. 5.0 forty is still a 5.0 forty...the guy is not running away from anyone. And he isn't Farve....You'll notice in the Atalanta papers report...they are printing the largest deal in "Atlanta's" franchise history ...not the Texan's. They've put all off there eggs into this basket we'll see. I'm just wondering now Porky how long you're support for Schaub will last ? Will he get two full seasons from you even if the rubber on the road doesn't meat with your "assement ? Inquiring minds want to know.
You aren't less of a fan...but you aren't too insightful perhaps...but I will say you are consistant, so you have that going for you.Or a Vince Young fan than some.... It's a bad deal. It's a panic move by a staff in a corner. Hope it works out there Vinny. I stand by everything I've posted. We'll see how long this euphiria last there Vinny. I'm not happy about another five year plan, that's for sure. There's only so many restarts in the bag before we reach Tampa Bay Status. I would of been better if they held their water. Atlanta just got rich with a way out from under Vick. We got hosed from my prespective. Maybe that makes me less of a fan ?
Those "other considers" in addition to this years 2 rounder did get pricey,
didn't they. But its a gamble, and worth it if he's even a capable starter.
After that, what's the upside ? And the downside ? You pays your money, and you takes your chances.
BTW, so much for Rick Smith claiming he wants to increase Drafts pick rather
than trade them away.