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Texans 1.3 Pick Derek Stingley Jr.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah but other than those... any real medical experts? {sarcasm} for some it's "my mind is made up do not confuse me with facts"
Texansballer74
The Marine
So it’s a fact that he’s only high stepping at 95% versus 80%, 85% or any other percentage? Yeah that’s nothing but true facts.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me it's like salesman saying this shiny Corvette had a broken axle and we welded it back together. We hope it is as good as new and you still must pay full price cause others want it if you don't. It really drove well-- in 2019!
badboy
Hall of Fame
No TB it is a medical opinion from a surgeon who has said that repeatedly. You want it to be a certain way so it has to be that way. All Doc and others are saying is there are cautions. He is our player now and we all hope he does extremely well but we have some doubts. I for one have some regret but still want him to be an exception to the medical info.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I know there are precautions Badboy. My thing is I don’t believe anyone could look at a short video like that and determine a diagnosis like that. It wasn’t up close and only on him. It wasn’t in person. Doc already told us dude wasn’t going to be ready and I believe he’s spot on with that.
Let the record show that I didn’t want Stingley in the first place. Gardner was my pick and everyone on this board knows this. And from listening to Caserio today on 610 . It sounds like he F’d up with this selection.
badboy
Hall of Fame
What did Car Sterio say? I rarely listen to 610 any more.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
No doubt, but to get a proper medical evaluation they would have to have the subject perform full range of movement stretches under proper supervision by a certified specialist - correct?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Besides that 95% means you’re ready to go. Nick is saying he has a ways to go before being ready to go.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Some history on Sting: https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_r...cle_873d0c04-9da8-11e8-91a8-2fe056db50f0.html
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texans GM Nick Caserio says CB Derek Stingley 'has work to do' to get ready for training camp
Houston Texans general manager Nick Caserio says that cornerback Derek Stingley still “has work to do” to get ready for training camp.
texanswire.usatoday.com
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s all I’m saying.
I’m pretty sure Brisco also works in the medical field. I think physical therapy
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I find it curious that I have to defend my basic "observations." "Proper medical evaluation" can be just as you stated. I think that I am quite familiar with those terms. All post lisfanc surgery players undergo "proper supervision by a certified specialist." However, many times these physical evaluations do not effectively predict ensuing real-time activities. The Texans medical staff told Schaub he should be back to 100%. I also know for a fact that that Maurice Jones Drew was told the same by the Colts medical staff.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’re being sensitive. You don’t have to defend anything. We just don’t agree with your observations by looking at a video, short video at that to determine that type of percentage.
We’re just having a dialogue and that’s it.
Hey doc I may have missed it so I’m sorry if this is a repeat question.
My curiosity is that I read he played on his torn foot for a few games before shutting it down for surgery.
Now that sounded kinda rare, has other players been able to play with same injury? I thought this is a real painful one most people can’t walk on. And if that is the case could his be a little different ( partial ) or something? Thanks
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This was a Lovie call. Said as much on draft night.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Might end up being a bad call. Nick said he wasn’t ready to go yet and probably won’t be ready when TC starts.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Some NFL players have played on a lisfranc injury for varying lengths of time. The grade I can cause some pain and swelling, with the condition overlooked or misdiagnosed or given inadequate conservative treatment.........and then extended it to where surgery is the only option. It's all related to the extent of lisfranc joint separation.............the cutoff is < or > 2mm separation.
When did he say that?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The interesting thing here is that Stingley Jr. was encouraged by his helicopter dad to do ballet in order to "maintain flexibility" especially during COVID in 2020-21. Just an FYI, ballet dancers have one of the highest rates of lisfranc injury. In ballet dancers the Lisfranc joint is particularly stressed when going en pointe.
This activity could have in itself definitely contributed to significantly stretching/weakening his lisfranc joint, making it much more prone to his football injury.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Un trained, uneducated people giving bad advice. Ballet dancers' feet remind me of some martial artist hands and knuckles..ugly!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Today..........he said Stingley "was able to get out there in the spring and show that he’s at least making some progress. I’d say he's got some work to do in terms of being ready to go for camp.”
No he didn’t
I’m not sure he’s saying all that. Probably won’t work out 100% but he’ll participate.
I’d be surprised & worried if he’s on IR for training camp.
Do you think Lovie wanted Stingley or not? Caserio/Lovie seemed to be aligned. Lovie worked out both Stingley/Sauce and Stingley was the pick. You think Caserio would go against Lovie's wishes, particularly on the defensive side of the ball? I don't.
Caserio said he needed to get a feel for the type of players Lovie wanted for his defense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lovie liked Gardner too. I think Caserio asked him to give a few names . Lovie gave him Sauce and Stingley. After reviewing everything, the competition factor was the deciding force. Therefore, I believe Lovie would’ve been happy with either player. Ultimately Caserio made the final choice.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Agreed. If the GM didn’t take responsibility for the #3 overall pick then they need to get a GM worthy of making that call. Caserio said he’s gonna go down swinging for better or worse. This is him taking a swing.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
A swing and a miss? A home run? We shall see soon enough. Will Fullers are easy to spot because of their off time.
That's not the question. You said
I'm just saying that's not true, because it isn't. He never said any such thing.
I believe Lovie would have been just as happy with Gardner & the Jets would have been just as happy with Stingley.
I think Caserio would argue for the better prospect & Lovie would listen with an open mind & they would agree on the pick.
Lovie is not Belichick or Jimmy Johnson. He needs to be willing to learn & adapt just as much as Nick does.
This isn't Chicago or Tampa Bay & it's not New England either. They need to work together. If this is going to be a "this is Lovie's pick", "that's a Warhop pick", a "Caserio pick"... we're doomed.
Lovie hasn't won anything in Chicago, Tampa, or Illinois. He's not going to win anything here. He & Caserio might. But if this is Lovie's team, nothing.
At least your thinking.
Caserio would be a fool not to draft the guy Lovie thinks fits his defense best.
The stuff you're describing went on when RS/BOB were on Kirby.
I hope our GM didn't just draft a player coming off a major injury with the #3 overall pick just because the HC said so.
If he did, we need to get rid of him before it's time to make any more picks
He's got some work to do before camp ain't the same thing as he probably won't be ready for camp..
..but I suspect you know that.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I do. And I've never said he won't be at TC. I was just posting in response to the posting of the alledged Caserio statement.
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2022/05/23/texans-nick-caserio-derek-stingley-work-camp/ The Houston Texans knew what they were getting when they drafted former LSU cornerback Derek Stingley No. 3 overall in the 2022 NFL draft.
The 6-0, 195-pound defensive back is coming off a Lisfranc injury that limited him to three games in 2021, but the Texans still took Stingley with their eyes wide open.
“Really he played three or four games there with a foot and he wasn’t really healthy,” general manager Nick Caserio told “Payne & Pendergast” on Sports Radio 610 [KILT-AM] Monday. “So, kind of speaks to his competitiveness and his toughness. And then he was able to get out there in the spring and show that he’s at least making some progress. I’d say he’s got some work to do in terms of being ready to go for camp.”
What Stingley showed in his three seasons with LSU was the ability to face the best receivers in the Southeastern Conference — both in practice and on Saturdays — and compete at a high level consistently.
Said Caserio: “Has a really good demeanor and presence about him. I’d say he’s very quiet and soft spoken. One of the things you guys will notice when you do get a chance to talk to him, he doesn’t really say much, but you can’t mistake that for what I would say internal drive and competitive spirit and competitive stamina and toughness. Has a good understanding of the techniques that go along with playing the corner position. So, when you factor everything in, we felt comfortable with the pick.”
Stingley’s availability throughout the course of the offseason workout program is not a concern for Caserio.
“I’d say he’s certainly working through it this spring,” said Caserio. “I think, and I’d say not specific to Derek, but during the course of the spring, you’ll love different players at different stages that may or not be available for practice. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything. It just means we’re working through our process with those players, but the expectations for those players will be ready for training camp.”
The 6-0, 195-pound defensive back is coming off a Lisfranc injury that limited him to three games in 2021, but the Texans still took Stingley with their eyes wide open.
“Really he played three or four games there with a foot and he wasn’t really healthy,” general manager Nick Caserio told “Payne & Pendergast” on Sports Radio 610 [KILT-AM] Monday. “So, kind of speaks to his competitiveness and his toughness. And then he was able to get out there in the spring and show that he’s at least making some progress. I’d say he’s got some work to do in terms of being ready to go for camp.”
What Stingley showed in his three seasons with LSU was the ability to face the best receivers in the Southeastern Conference — both in practice and on Saturdays — and compete at a high level consistently.
Said Caserio: “Has a really good demeanor and presence about him. I’d say he’s very quiet and soft spoken. One of the things you guys will notice when you do get a chance to talk to him, he doesn’t really say much, but you can’t mistake that for what I would say internal drive and competitive spirit and competitive stamina and toughness. Has a good understanding of the techniques that go along with playing the corner position. So, when you factor everything in, we felt comfortable with the pick.”
Stingley’s availability throughout the course of the offseason workout program is not a concern for Caserio.
“I’d say he’s certainly working through it this spring,” said Caserio. “I think, and I’d say not specific to Derek, but during the course of the spring, you’ll love different players at different stages that may or not be available for practice. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything. It just means we’re working through our process with those players, but the expectations for those players will be ready for training camp.”
You are officially absolved of the crime.
So? What does it matter if Stingley misses the entire 2022 season? Won't be the thing that keeps the Texans from their 1st Super Bowl. I don't want to see Stingley on the field unless he's in tippy top shape.
I regret to say that did not reassure me too much.
I still have these nagging doubts, because it seems there's a bit of the cavalier attitude in our GMs comments about Stingleys
injury situation.
I think I'd be OK with it if Stingley was our second first round pick but our first first round pick, the #3 overall ?
I dunno who needs that uncertainty when there's so many other talented prospects that high in the Draft who could start right away and help us immediately who have absolutely no injury concerns ?
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
True, I use an insert that is a memory foam with a carbon core. Think that would be something that would work for him?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It possibly could for isolated activities. The pain factor is not likely to be significantly helped. The memory foam would have his foot sink and lose a good part of the support in return for cushioning. Most carbon core inserts are still flexible to various degrees. And again, bicycling does not require impact, and it is unlikely that he could routinely wear them in game situations expecting them to be fully supportive and protective of the lisfranc joint.
Bottom line shoes and/or their inserts are very specific to the activities an athlete will participate in. For example, a runner will want to wear a different one for a 40 vs a 4K. Add in requirements to protect from an injury/post surgery, and to allow for efficient sports specific activity.....and, thus, it becomes quite more complicated for an NFL cornerback to navigate through his choices, as "one size" cannot adquately fit all circumstances that he will encounter in a game.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Beat me to this lol
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
By video, it tells me that he is 100% ready.............to walk his dog..............
By video, it tells me that he is 100% ready.............to walk his dog..............
Ugggg I’m not so sure. If his dog is big and like mine and pulls on that leash trying to drag you everywhere. Then he will need to plant his feet a little forward while trying to also walk. May be the same strain as standing on your toes.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
To be fair, I'm posting this video. In all of the videos that I've reviewed, he is continually pumping his legs (and I know this is an acceptable technique). This makes change of direction easier with less stress on either foot. His change of direction is also preceded by a short pause followed by rounding of his change of direction while pumping. This is not demonstrating the acute change of direction without pause which places maximum stress on the push off foot, and which is often necessary in game play against an opponent. Yet certainly this video performance is less dog related.
IMO, they didn't like that Gardner is purely a man cover CB. He's not been asked to play zone.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Would your medical opinion depend on the size of the dog and the length of the leash? I don't know how you could look at that video and guess on these two things.By video, it tells me that he is 100% ready.............to walk his dog..............