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*starts searching TV Guide for re-air of PTI*
This last game he was terrific. He's still inconsistent and needs to be more of a difference maker on a regular basis, but his arrow is clearly pointing up, and I think we have a definate long term keeper. In hindsight, it's time for the mea culpa. I was wrong on Mario. He isn't as good as the hype suggested, but he is pretty good, and as I said is getting better. Kudos to Kubes on this one...
Well played. Reserve your right to bash Mario at a later date.He's proven me wrong for doubting him this season. Although I don't regret any of my criticism...
Well played. Reserve your right to bash Mario at a later date.
But on NFL Live they basically admitted we made the right choice.
Not sure which one said it, but this was the quote...
"Vince Young can't pass and Reggie Bush can't run".
I'm sure part of Bush's play this year was his knee problem - just as Mario's foot was a common reason for his poor to mediocre rookie year.
Didn't Reggie's knee problem start when Deuce went down and was asked to be the primary back (which he can't handle)? That' what he would have been in Houston from day 1. Actually it probably would have been Ron Dayne still...so nevermind.
No, but if it makes you feel better about Mario talk it up.
Bush sucked this year before and after his knee injury
He fumbled before and after as well
I was SO wrong about Bush. i dont think he'll ever be good.
He can't hold onto the ball
With 100 catches, he can't bust out long ones
He doesnt make people miss
He's not big enough to run over people
He cant get into space
When he does get into space, he does nothing
ALl he can do is run straight ahead REALY fast.
Seems to me that trying to be a feature back would make RB injury prone. I'm not even guessing when this knee stuff started, though. Honestly, I don't think I knew he even had a knee problem.
I think NO should just accept (in the long run) that RB is a player worth having on the field, but not as your RB. They're just going to have to use him as a slot receiver and get really used to not having a blocking back in the backfield. That's what I'd do anyway, but I guess they can't right now with Deuce out.
I'm not sure what is wrong with having him as a part time back and a slot receiver anyway. I think the NFL has had a few power/finesse running back tandems that have had success.
Inside the nfl tmw night hbo. don't be square.
that's what i'm waiting to see. if they don't mention him, i'll blame the fact that the H is always snubbed in Nat'l Sports media... basically, they're morons to me if they don'tThey're going to do a story on him? During King's Korner or something?
Because it seems like if one succeeds than the other 2 must be failures.
When you are a fan of a losing team, criticizing is the oly way to stay sane!
Remember, the Texans D had a miraculous turnaround at the end of last year too. If we make the playoffs, then ill be happy
Mario is going to have more bad games. He'll also have more good ones. I stand by what I said earlier in the year - he's having to learn to be a DE. In college, he was bigger, faster, and stronger than most everyone. Technique wasn't necessary. The process of learning technique and applying it in a full-speed scenario is not a quick process. The brain has to internalize what it's processing, and it'll take longer to react when he's trying to think. He still doesn't have a full complement of moves, but as he internalizes those moves, his raw power, speed, and talent will apply those moves in a superior manner.
He's going to be a great one, given time and no injuries.
For anyone that has iTunes, they have a free PTI podcast on there so you can listen to the show if you missed it on TV. Today's episode is already on there
How can we know all this? He hasn't played for three years so a judgment can't be made yet.
I guess now that Mario is playing well the three year requirement before criticism can be leveled can be acknowledged as less than a hard and fast rule?
I'm not sure what is wrong with having him as a part time back and a slot receiver anyway. I think the NFL has had a few power/finesse running back tandems that have had success. He'd still be on the field all the time, especially since he's looked good in picking up blitzes when I watched him.
I think more people here would see some advantages to that scenario if he was a Texan, but that's normal.
And no, I was not big on drafting Reggie at the time. I just don't think all non-Texans suck.
There were several things they were wrong about, which they based their decision on.The Press is so fickle.
ESPN's opinion of Mario went from.
Before draft
One of the best DE propsects to come out in a long time. Top defensive player in the draft, a game changer if he pans out.
When Announced he was #1
A bust, a DE that could only be good and would have Texan fans regret the pick for the next 10 years. One guy even said it would take us 5 years to get over this...figures.
The total yards thing was/is a bunch of crap. they'd throw in return yards to fluff up his totals.During the 06-07 season
They seemed to be right to the casual fan. Bush was racking up total yards. VY was throwing INTs and still winning games, and Mario was playing on one foot no one mentioned and still had a pretty average rookie camaign. None of this matters though, because Mario was labled as a bust, in just his rookie season too.
First, the Vince Young decision had nothing to do with Mario. They keep saying it, we keep saying it, and people start believng it. But the Vince Young decision was based on the decision to keep David Carr. Mario was just caught in the middle.Right now
The Texans WERE right after all. They knew all along that Bush wasn't a every down back, they knew all along that VY might not be the QB for them. The Texans were right all this time, Mario WAS the right pick as Bush and VY will never pan out to what they were hyped to be.
My stance on this. You need 3 years to judge a guy, besides...what the hell is stopping all 3 of these guys from being HOF players? Is their some rule that in the top 3 of each draft class someone HAS to be a bust or something?
Because it seems like if one succeeds than the other 2 must be failures.
If you take three years to judge your running back who should have gone #1 overall, then you need to stay away from the war room on draft day. Running backs need to produce from day one as the #1 overall.
DEs... people who didn't see Mario as a keeper last year(IMHO) were upset over not taking Vince. Mario played very well last year, he might not have been a game changer, or a sack miester, but he had very little help, and (again IMHO) poor leadership/direction from the coaches. And before you point to Demeco's success, remember a LB can't do his thing, if he doesn't have big ugly's doing their thing in front of him.
QBs..... it takes three years.
Sure we saw flashes of what Vince brings to the table. No one can fault Tennessee for drafting him over that other guy(Matt somet'n r other). But he may still bust.
There were several things they were wrong about, which they based their decision on.
Sure we saw flashes of what Vince brings to the table. No one can fault Tennessee for drafting him over that other guy(Matt somet'n r other). But he may still bust.
The total yards thing was/is a bunch of crap. they'd throw in return yards to fluff up his totals.
Then when you look at recieving yards + rushing yards, then factor in the amount of touches the kid gets(when you look at his avg gains) it's just silly.
Yeah, they kept talking about how he broke the record for rookies... The funny thing is, Maurice Jones Drew blew the record and Bush away in total yards last year, but he was mentioned once for that.
Well you MUST give 3 years to judge a player in the first round. A rookie contract is usually around that many years, and just because a RB doesn't have immediate success doesn't mean he can't have success later. The Smaller backs seem to take more time, the Dunn's, Westbrooks, Tiki's of the NFL. I think as a #2 overall pla yer Reggie needs to develop into a pro-bowl player and top notch offensive player by 2010.
Running back is one of the most translatable positions from college to the pros. It is not realistic to assume that a back taken in the top 5 or 10 slots of the first round of the draft is not expected to be an immediate contribution or impact. For that position, it doesn't make sense to wait 3 years for productivity, particularly considering the short shelf life of running backs in the NFL.
Also per the new CBA , the max deal lengths for first rounders in the top half is 6 years and 5 years in the lower half. There aren't any 3 year deals for first round picks.
I laughed at that blowhard Wilbon acting like it was other people that were talking bad about Mario when him and Kornheiser were sitting on the Mario hate train as well.
"They proclaimed him a bust even before he played a down!!!"
So did you Wilbon...
Yes but I was talking about smaller backs...they seemingly take longer to develop. Look at Westbrook and Barber. Bush is pretty small compared to other players in the NFL. Still though he came in the league making plays.
Lets not try to make it seem like the guy just sucks because he doesn't play on our team. Bush has HAD a immediate impact it just hasn't been running the ball, if he continues to play like he does now I think he will be considered a bust. Because he could run the ball at USC because he was just that much faster than everyone else. But some smaller backs in the NFL takes a bit more time for them to learn and run inbetween the tackles.
That is why coming into the NFL all 3 of these guys were known as projects. Mario had to learn technique. Vince had to learn how to pass better. Reggie had to prove he could carry the load. I don't think either of the guys have proved they will be what they were hyped up to, but I do think they have all shown glimpses of what they can do which is a good sign.
Eh, I never said Reggie Bush sucks because he doesnt play for the Texans. I said it doesnt make any sense to take a running back second overall and expect him to figure it out over a three year period. Running back is one of the easier positions to translate from NCAA to the pros. Bush rightly has substantially different expectations of him than Barber (a 4th round pick and an expected 3rd down back) and Westbrook (a 3rd rounder) had.
Deuce was pretty good last year and produced.
Yep, but this year, before his injury, he couldn't run behind the line either.