PTI-Mario discussion

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Lucky, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. Lucky

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    We just created the perfect storm by merging two threads simultaneously. So for those who actually saw the PTI - Mario exchange between Kornholio and Wilborn, please post here.
     
  2. Silver Oak

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    Not sure which one said it, but this was the quote...

    "Vince Young can't pass and Reggie Bush can't run".

    The premise of the discussion was who deserves an apology more, Norv Turner or Mario Williams. Both agreed that Mario deserves the apology more based on his play and the bashing he took.

    I will have to save this recording for days I'm feeling down.

    :fans:
     
  3. Texan_Bill

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    *starts searching TV Guide for re-air of PTI*
     
  4. Leahmic223

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    Reairs on ESPNews sometime again...

    But on NFL Live they basically admitted we made the right choice.

    We will see more guys eat crow on Thurs since we are the only NFL game that day which mean they will be forced to talk about us...or they may just ignore us and talk about the Broncos only.
     
  5. Porky

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    This last game he was terrific. He's still inconsistent and needs to be more of a difference maker on a regular basis, but his arrow is clearly pointing up, and I think we have a definate long term keeper. In hindsight, it's time for the mea culpa. I was wrong on Mario. He isn't as good as the hype suggested, but he is pretty good, and as I said is getting better. Kudos to Kubes on this one...
     
  6. gtexan02

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    Ditto for me

    He's proven me wrong for doubting him this season. Although I don't regret any of my criticism, because he has only recently decided to show up. If he keeps this up, though, he's going to be a monster
     
  7. Lucky

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    Well played. Reserve your right to bash Mario at a later date.
     
  8. gtexan02

    gtexan02 Working?

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    When you are a fan of a losing team, criticizing is the oly way to stay sane!

    Remember, the Texans D had a miraculous turnaround at the end of last year too. If we make the playoffs, then ill be happy
     


  9. Topher

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    It's on espin news right now
     
  10. austintexanite

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    I'll have to check out the re-airing of that show to hear what they said.
     
  11. Thorn

    Thorn Dirty Old Man

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    It was coming, with Bush and Vince not doing well and Mario finally getting some decent games in, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Now’s a good time though. Let’s hope Mario gets pissed it took them so long to admit he can play, that way he crashes the Denver line Thursday.

    But all in all, I wouldn't get to excited. Generally, the press (and ESPN) is as fickle as Wall Street.
     
  12. Runner

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    I'm sure part of Bush's play this year was his knee problem - just as Mario's foot was a common reason for his poor to mediocre rookie year.
     
  13. Ole Miss Texan

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    Didn't Reggie's knee problem start when Deuce went down and was asked to be the primary back (which he can't handle)? That' what he would have been in Houston from day 1. Actually it probably would have been Ron Dayne still...so nevermind.
     
  14. Runner

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    No, but if it makes you feel better about Mario talk it up.
     
  15. gtexan02

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    Bush sucked this year before and after his knee injury
    He fumbled before and after as well

    I was SO wrong about Bush. i dont think he'll ever be good.

    He can't hold onto the ball
    With 100 catches, he can't bust out long ones
    He doesnt make people miss
    He's not big enough to run over people
    He cant get into space
    When he does get into space, he does nothing

    ALl he can do is run straight ahead REALY fast.
     
  16. HJam72

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    Seems to me that trying to be a feature back would make RB injury prone. I'm not even guessing when this knee stuff started, though. Honestly, I don't think I knew he even had a knee problem.

    I think NO should just accept (in the long run) that RB is a player worth having on the field, but not as your RB. They're just going to have to use him as a slot receiver and get really used to not having a blocking back in the backfield. That's what I'd do anyway, but I guess they can't right now with Deuce out.
     
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    How can we know all this? He hasn't played for three years so a judgment can't be made yet. :cool:

    I guess now that Mario is playing well the three year requirement before criticism can be leveled can be acknowledged as less than a hard and fast rule?
     
  18. Runner

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    I'm not sure what is wrong with having him as a part time back and a slot receiver anyway. I think the NFL has had a few power/finesse running back tandems that have had success. He'd still be on the field all the time, especially since he's looked good in picking up blitzes when I watched him.

    I think more people here would see some advantages to that scenario if he was a Texan, but that's normal.

    And no, I was not big on drafting Reggie at the time. I just don't think all non-Texans suck.
     
  19. DiehardChris

    DiehardChris You betcha!

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    Really, you can't make these judgments until after 3 or 4 years... and ultimately after their careers are over, but...

    These stats, IMO are hard to argue with:

    In 2007, Reggie Bush's:

    Longest rush: 22 yards
    Longest catch: 25 yards
    Longest return: 10 yards

    This is a guy who almost everyone had the foresight to say was not going to be an every-down back, however, the thing that made up for that was the fact that he is a 'gamebreaker' and a 'gamechanger'. Those stats reflect nothing of that. Add to it that he's a terrible, terrible blocker.
     
  20. DiehardChris

    DiehardChris You betcha!

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    There's nothing wrong with that - but the #2 overall pick is not the right place to pick that kind of player. But yeah - who cares what kind of playing time he gets if he's actually a gamebreaker as he was advertised as... but he's not.
     
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