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Penn State Child Molestation Case

So Penn State can't even put their faces on in front of the media canceling a weekly press conference.
 
toronto said:
Well they've been liars and cowards this entire time, why change now?
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I wouldn't give the program the death penalty because the players of the past , present , students and alumni didn't do anything wrong . I would change everything about it and start all over . Joe P , Sandusky , and the rest of the heehaw gang would be erased .
 
Wow. I just heard about this....undescribably horrific act.

Guy is going to jail. They best be GOOD friends because everyone who swept it under the rug is going to jail too. As far as Paterno goes, if he knew and didn't have that shell of a human being arrested....he may as well be in there raping children as well. They're all going to know what rape in the shower is all about. If they're lucky and I mean REALLY lucky, they'll be beaten to death by the other prisoners BEFORE they "commit suicide in their cells".
 
srrono said:
I have a 12 yr old son . Every time I hear this I think of the emotional damage these kids went thru. A man they thought highly of abused them then everyone in the community abused them again by keeping quiet. A high school janitor staff caught him in the act a collge staff caught him in the act and a mother was informed by her son after being curious why her sons hair was wet. This charity org he was a part of worked with troubled kids im assuming with these kids thier parents were easily paid off due to drug abuse or social standing and the charity worked with special needs kids, kids that mentally werent able to speak out about what was happening. I have 4 children 21yr old son - 12 yr old son - 8 yr old daughter - 5 yr old son. And this may sound bad or sheltering but my kids have never stayed the night at another adults home period. I dont let them go on trips. I dont trust anything Church events, Cub scout events I dont let my children out of my sight because these days as soon as you let down your gaurd your children suffer. Sorry about the long Rant.
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No need for apologies man. I have a 5 year old turning 6 in 2 months and I am a fuqng hawk with her. Anyone glances at her funny or gets to close to her in line at the store and I'm already in neck snapper mode. I typically hit the old rant on stuff like this too, but I am trying to stop myself here as my rants on this stuff make me look like a sadistic murderer beneath my skin on what I would do slowly and gleefully to these sick fuqs.

I also agree with you about not letting kids out of sight. I remember when I was a kid (I'm 30 so growing up for me was late 80's to mid 90's) I was able to go out, play, whatever, be at home when the street lights come on. Nowadays that just seems insane. I simply cannot invision letting my daughter just go play and be a kid like we used to. I've had other parents disagree and think that times are mostly the same as before, we just hear about it more due to the new era of media, but I disagree. To each his own and more power to any parent who is more laid back than me on stuff like this, and I don't watch the news so I know that is not what is effecting me. I'm sorry, my daughter will not be able to shake me until she is a teenager and I can teach her where and how to hit, use a knife and where to thrust and cut, etc.

Anyway, now I want to rant but I'll stop....point is I agree and this is just putrid what has happened here. May this guy be fuqed by goats in hell for all eternity.
 
We do not know what Joe knew or did not know but yet we are ready to crucify him. It was reported that he told his supervisors after being alerted. Why not go to the cops? I don't know but it is weird that Joe was ready and willing to talk this morning but the university chickened out. Something deeply wrong has occurred without any doubt but it just seems to me like people are willing to just rake others over the coals before the eggs have hatched. The story is very sick and sad and there will be heck to pay in the end but let's let the investigation conclude and the final report come out then do the raking itself.
 
I'm not exactly ready to execute Paterno either. Maybe he was going to leave SI the university is trying to make him a scapegoat. I want to hear what he honestly knew about this. Now, I understand why he didn't say anything if he knew but it doesn't make it right. That said the coach isn't a police officer.
 
gary said:
We do not know what Joe knew or did not know but yet we are ready to crucify him. It was reported that he told his supervisors after being alerted. Why not go to the cops? I don't know but it is weird that Joe was ready and willing to talk this morning but the university chickened out. Something deeply wrong has occurred without any doubt but it just seems to me like people are willing to just rake others over the coals before the eggs have hatched. The story is very sick and sad and there will be heck to pay in the end but let's let the investigation conclude and the final report come out then do the raking itself.
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Arsenal said:
I'm not exactly ready to execute Paterno either. Maybe he was going to leave SI the university is trying to make him a scapegoat. I want to hear what he honestly knew about this. Now, I understand why he didn't say anything if he knew but it doesn't make it right. That said the coach isn't a police officer.
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If one of your coaches is giving 10 year old kids blowJ's and anal sex in your locker room....he knows. NO way he didn't know. I refuse to believe nobody told him details...no friggin' way. Chain of command isn't an excuse for covering up criminal behavior...especially with kids. Paterno should go to jail.
 
What Joe knew or did not know really? Can anyone seriously say Joe didnt know, I mean what ever he was told he thought was important enough to alert his superiors and hide from authorities so it wouldnt hurt image of program. The legal system may not get all these people who turned a blind eye to this situation. After this plays out there will be some major money paid out by Penn State and all involved. Penn State should demolish the shower room and rebuild it too.
 
How come when Paterno went to the home of his director nothing was done? I am going to wait this out before pleading the guilty for all. Everyone has a right to tell their own side of the story more and more these days I see people being guilty first and innocent later or they are forever guilty even after their day in court.
 
srrono said:
Penn State should demolish the shower room and rebuild it too.
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^^^^^THIS

I thought about this too....if I was a player my skin would crawl going in there right now. Unfortuately due to some of the graphic descriptions of the shower episode my mind'e eye is all fuqed up right now and any time I would go in that shower would be haunting if I was a player on that team.
 
srrono said:
What Joe knew or did not know really? Can anyone seriously say Joe didnt know, I mean what ever he was told he thought was important enough to alert his superiors and hide from authorities so it wouldnt hurt image of program. The legal system may not get all these people who turned a blind eye to this situation. After this plays out there will be some major money paid out by Penn State and all involved. Penn State should demolish the shower room and rebuild it too.
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Then, where were THEY?
 
gary said:
We do not know what Joe knew or did not know but yet we are ready to crucify him. It was reported that he told his supervisors after being alerted. Why not go to the cops? I don't know but it is weird that Joe was ready and willing to talk this morning but the university chickened out. Something deeply wrong has occurred without any doubt but it just seems to me like people are willing to just rake others over the coals before the eggs have hatched. The story is very sick and sad and there will be heck to pay in the end but let's let the investigation conclude and the final report come out then do the raking itself.
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Joe Paterno knew about it and took it to Penn State's athletic director. It seems like everyone took it to the 'higher up' in the university and everyone failed to notified the police. I honestly don't understand why this wasn't taken to the cops. Paterno, Curley, the grad student, the janitors, etc.. Someone should have gotten the cops involved here.

Paterno notified athletic director Tim Curley --fulfilling his legal responsibility -- but not law-enforcement authorities. Curley, charged with felony perjury and failing to report an alleged sex charge involving children, was arraigned Monday and released after posting bail.

While Paterno appears to be out of the woods legally, other key Penn State officials are facing action or could face action in the future. Asked Monday whether university president Graham Spanier is a target, Kelly said, "This is an ongoing investigation."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37887/ag-joepa-not-a-target-but-school-negligent
 
gary said:
Then, where were THEY?
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JCTexan said:
Joe Paterno knew about it and took it to Penn State's athletic director. It seems like everyone took it to the 'higher up' in the university and everyone failed to notified the police. I honestly don't understand why this wasn't taken to the cops. Paterno, Curley, the grad student, the janitors, etc.. Someone should have gotten the cops involved here.



http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37887/ag-joepa-not-a-target-but-school-negligent
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The AD and the president turned theirselves in .

To me Paterno enabled Sandusky from the minute he found out by not calling the police . What you except you condone and the fact that he was still running that foundation reeks of something much bigger .
 
JCTexan said:
Joe Paterno knew about it and took it to Penn State's athletic director. It seems like everyone took it to the 'higher up' in the university and everyone failed to notified the police. I honestly don't understand why this wasn't taken to the cops. Paterno, Curley, the grad student, the janitors, etc.. Someone should have gotten the cops involved here.



http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37887/ag-joepa-not-a-target-but-school-negligent
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And, why didn't the director do anything? Except for the grad student we are just guessing that everyone knew the specifics about what was going on. They all reported it and probably all had faith the people who held more power than them was going to do the right thing.
 
This is not brain surgery. This was a cover up. They swept it under the rug trying to keep Penn State out of the Headlines.
 
Vinny said:
If one of your coaches is giving 10 year old kids blowJ's and anal sex in your locker room....he knows. NO way he didn't know. I refuse to believe nobody told him details...no friggin' way. Chain of command isn't an excuse for covering up criminal behavior...especially with kids. Paterno should go to jail.
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You're trying to preach to me like I would care what you believe. All I ask is to interrogate him. I guess it's better for all of us to jump to conclusions. I forgot in this country, you are guilty until proven innocent. People will also think I'm siding with PSU.
 
gary said:
Then, where were THEY?
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who cares? Gary, if I ran a football program and someone was abusing you, do you think your Mom would think it is ok if I just told my boss and didn't contact the police?
 
Arsenal said:
You're trying to preach to me like I would care what you believe. All I ask is to interrogate him. I guess it's better for all of us to jump to conclusions. I forgot in this country, you are guilty until proven innocent. People will also think I'm siding with PSU.
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I don't preach. Besides, I already know you are a bit of a degenerate since you thought kicking a puppy and killing him was kind funny. You lost most of your credibility with me without even trying pards.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Everybody needs to die... including the grad student and his father. Eff them all. You could not pay me enough money to turn a blind eye to a ten year old getting anally raped. Douse them all with gasoline and let them burn. Sick mother****ers.
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this
 
gary said:
And, why didn't the director do anything? Except for the grad student we are just guessing that everyone knew the specifics about what was going on. They all reported it and probably all had faith the people who held more power than them was going to do the right thing.
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you call 911 end of story... how the grad student didn't beat the old man to within an inch of his worthless life is beyond me.... sick sack of ****...
 
80tothezone said:
you call 911 end of story... how the grad student didn't beat the old man to within an inch of his worthless life is beyond me.... sick sack of ****...
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What else is going on at Penn that the instinct of this grad student is to keep this info in the fold of Penn state, instead of calling the police automaticly I mean it seems to point to a pattern of corruption or secrets. PENN STATE chose to protect itself instead of the kids.
 
Vinny said:
I don't preach. Besides, I already know you are a bit of a degenerate since you thought kicking a puppy and killing him was kind funny. You lost most of your credibility with me without even trying pards.
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Yes you did and I can sleep at night without your credibility because it's of no value at all. Don't get emotional with me just because I thought that his lack of patience was funny. Not the actual abuse itself.
 
I would have called because that is just who I am but I would have just done the right thing just by telling school authorities. I still have respect for Joe and feel people are jumping the gun without all the facts.
 
srrono said:
What else is going on at Penn that the instinct of this grad student is to keep this info in the fold of Penn state, instead of calling the police automaticly I mean it seems to point to a pattern of corruption or secrets. PENN STATE chose to protect itself instead of the kids.
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I think as a 23 year old I would have saw it and gathered myself because I wouldn't have believed it . As the realization set in I would have done something .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think as a 23 year old I would have saw it and gathered myself because I wouldn't have believed it . As the realization set in I would have done something .
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I have a instant powder keg non-fuse when I happen across crazy stuff that needs immediate action and I tend not to think. Obviously I have never come across something like this, but I know myself, and I suspect I would have grabbed the closest hard object and procedd to beat his brains in....quite literally....and hoped that since I walked in on it, plus the kids testimony...would keep me out of prison.
 
Can't we at least hear what Joe has to say or do we just not care that much? I think we can.
 
gary said:
I would have called because that is just who I am but I would have just done the right thing just by telling school authorities. I still have respect for Joe and feel people are jumping the gun without all the facts.
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That's not the right thing. That's the corporate thing. Protecting brand image isn't more important than protecting the children.
 
gary said:
I would have called because that is just who I am but I would have just done the right thing just by telling school authorities. I still have respect for Joe and feel people are jumping the gun without all the facts.
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A large part of the issue is that Paterno has been for 50 years, not just been portrayed as a great football coach, but as one of the best men ever. He ran his program the "right way" graduating students and giving back huge sums of money to Penn State.

So when it came down to the saint of a man who literally has images built in his honor having to make a tough decision on how to proceed, what did he do?

The absolute minimium which legally covers his rearend. (We do know this). Turns out that guy who was held up as someone to emulate repeatedly was at the end of the day in a really tough moment, no different than just some other guy. ...doing no more than he had to do.
 
gary said:
Can't we at least hear what Joe has to say or do we just not care that much? I think we can.
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No we will burn him at the stake. I think many posters here are parents and therefore are thinking about this like it involves their children. I am not burdened by the role of being a parent. If Joe did fulfill his responsibility by notifying his superior then I don't understand the irrational urge to legally punish him if he did fulfill his legal responsibility. I'm not saying he shouldn't have called the police or should but in this situation. Going above his responsibility of calling the police is a personal choice. A choice he has to live with. Personal shame is more damaging than what any of these members could hope for.
 
Arsenal said:
No we will burn him at the stake. I think many posters here are parents and therefore are thinking about this like it involves their children. I am not burdened by the role of being a parent. If Joe did fulfill his responsibility by notifying his superior then I don't understand the irrational urge to legally punish him if he did fulfill his legal responsibility. I'm not saying he shouldn't have called the police or should but in this situation. Going above his responsibility of calling the police is a personal choice. A choice he has to live with. Personal shame is more damaging than what any of these members could hope for.
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says a lot about you that you think this way. I'd watch out for kids outside of my own...hell, the kid I take care of isn't my kid. It's another Man's kid. If I saw a rape, murder, child porn or any harmful act to another human being I'd do my part as a human being and do the right thing. Contacting your boss and then nothing happening after the fact isn't the right friggin' thing. That's low character stuff.
 
Vinny said:
That's not the right thing. That's the corporate thing. Protecting brand image isn't more important than protecting the children.
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They were not protecting brand image and all the right people will pay the piper big time for this and that day I can't wait to see occur.
 
gary said:
They were not protecting brand image and all the right people will pay the piper big time for this and that day I can't wait to see occur.
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dude, you are in total denial. They protected the Penn St brand....it was more important than having a scandal and saving more kids from the same fate. By not saying anything to the Police it helped him secure MORE VICTIMS. It was all about protecting the image/brand of the football program.
 
Vinny said:
says a lot about you that you think this way. I'd watch out for kids outside of my own...hell, the kid I take care of isn't my kid. It's another Man's kid. If I saw a rape, murder, child porn or any harmful act to another human being I'd do my part as a human being and do the right thing. Contacting your boss and then nothing happening after the fact isn't the right friggin' thing. That's low character stuff.
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You may take as many personal shots at me as you like. What he did was the right thing according to the law because that was where his legal responsibility ends. Legally he did what he had to do. Unless the law doesn't matter then there shouldn't be one.
 
Arsenal said:
You may take as many personal shots at me as you like. What he did was the right thing according to the law because that was where his legal responsibility ends. Legally he did what he had to do. Unless the law doesn't matter then there shouldn't be one.
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You better hope you don't need help one day and someone like you is the only person who is watching.
 
Arsenal said:
Legally he did what he had to do. Unless the law doesn't matter then there shouldn't be one.
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Dude, I see what you are saying on the one hand as far as letter of the law, however, I would hope that you would also take the responsibility to make sure light was shined on the issue on your own if that is what was needed.

We're not talking about covering up free gifts or tattoos or prostitues for players....we're talking about children being raped.

And I know you're not crazy about kids as you posted earlier either in this thread or the one about the dog booter, but still, just as a human, the fact this was kids getting raped in real life, not on SVU (which I can't even watch the ones involving kids anymore), should move anyone to take action.

It's that basic man. (just using you to make my point, not a personal shot)
 
Vinny said:
dude, you are in total denial. They protected the Penn St brand....it was more important than having a scandal and saving more kids from the same fate. By not saying anything to the Police it helped him secure MORE VICTIMS. It was all about protecting the image/brand of the football program.
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The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.
 
gary said:
The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.
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Joe Paterno is just the same as the others who didn't act Gary. Paterno WAS THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM...those guys worked for him as much as he worked under him. You aren't a morally decent man if kids are getting raped anally and orally under your nose. Sadly I'm ashamed you think this way.
 
Earlier when I got home I tuned into ESPN and the first thing I saw was Matt Millen shedding tears while trying to talk about this mess. Up until today I hadn't read much on this whole thing, but now I know why he was crying.

I've read through the years, maybe an article here, a few years later an article there, about how Penn State will go to great lengths to guard their players when they get in trouble with the law, how they get away with being complete social thorns towards the student body in general (beating students up...etc....etc) on campus and Paterno would always turn a blind eye.

I guess that goes for everyone in the program and a simple aggravated assault on a student was just the tip of the iceberg to what they would do to protect their scholarships and standing in the NCAA community.

This story is too horrible to even comprehend at this point. Speaking of iceberg tips, I have a feeling when we see what's under the surface Paterno will..........I don't even know. This is going to get so ugly it boggles the mind.
 
gary said:
The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.
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Joe Paterno is more a boss at Penn State than any person every at that institution. There are people with titles that sound more important than him, but he is as close to being a singular representative of the university than any other person to any other institution in the country.
 
Showtime100 said:
This is going to get so ugly it boggles the mind.
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Exactly. They found vic #9 and who knows how many more will come out now (and I'm sure unfortunately some will be fraudulent trying to get some $$ on what will surely be a mammoth law suit) but this will get way, way ugly.

For those of us not Penn St fans trying to debate what should or shouldn't happen to Joe Pa., I offer the opinion of my dad, who is from Pittsburgh and is a die hard anything Pittsburgh and/or surrounding area so college wise he is a a life long Penn St and Pitt fan.

That said, even he believes Joe had to have known more than is revealed right now and that basically he needs to be gone as of yesterday/immediately and that the University needs to be spanked hard.

Which I agree with, Joe has blood on his hands morally if not legally and believe me I am not the moral police. This situation will and rightfully should tarnish him.

(To head anyone off, I understand my dad's opinion has not actual relevance on the matter other than to offer a true Penn States fan on the situation and that is all.)
 
There can be little doubt that Paterno has known since at least 1998 that Sandusky had a “problem” with “inappropriate behavior” toward children, i.e., he was a child molester. That’s when the campus police did a six-week investigation after a mother reported to them that her 11-year-old son had showered with Sandusky. From the grand jury report:

The mother of Victim 6 confronted Sandusky about showering with her son, the effect it had had on her son, whether Sandusky had sexual feelings when he hugged her naked son in the shower, and where Victim 6′s buttocks were when Sandusky hugged him in the shower. Sandusky said he had showered with other boys and Victim 6′s mother tried to make him promise never to shower with a boy again but he would not. She asked him if his “private parts” had touched Victim 6 when he bear-hugged him. Sandusky replied, “I don’t know . . . maybe.” At the conclusion of the second conversation, after Sandusky was told he could not see Victim 6 any more, Sandusky said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”

This conversation, in which Sandusky in effect admits that there are other victims, and even refuses to say he’ll stop victimizing children, was surreptitiously observed by a PSU police detective, who was then ordered by the head of campus police to drop the matter. (The local district attorney, who for unknown reasons decided not to press charges, disappeared in 2005 and was declared legally dead in July).
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In any event Paterno did acknowledge in his grand jury testimony that he’s known since at least 2002 that Sandusky was a child molester, although incredibly enough now he’s even trying to walk back that admission. He testified that Mike McQueary told him he had seen Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy” in the PSU football locker room showers (McQueary testified that he saw Sandusky anally raping the child). Now in his statement Paterno is trying to get people to believe that he was told that his 58-year-old lifelong friend and co-worker was doing something “inappropriate” to a ten-year-old boy in a shower, but that he had no idea it was anything all that bad: certainly not bad enough to cause Paterno - by far the most powerful person in the PSU AD and arguably the most powerful person on campus - to wonder why the only thing that happened to Sandusky was that he was told not to bring the kids he was raping into the locker room any more (Sandusky retained all his access privileges to the campus until yesterday, and indeed was running football camps for young boys on Joe Paterno’s hallowed football field until two years ago).
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http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/11/living-a-lie
 
Vinny said:
anyone hear about Kalie Wong's story about Joe Pa? A couple of years back Wong stated that a player told him that Joe Paterno used to go into the team shower naked, take a shower with them and SCRUB THE BACKS OF SOME OF THE PLAYERS. Not making this up. Ask Lance Z.

at the very least this is creepy, creepy stuff.....it also makes one think that he may be a sicko too. Those types hide in plain view.
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It was on LZ's show. Confirmed.

I thought I heard it on sean&john but it was on wong's former segment on John&Lance (RIP)

It was creepy then.....exponentially creepier now
 
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