So Penn State can't even put their faces on in front of the media canceling a weekly press conference.
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So Penn State can't even put their faces on in front of the media canceling a weekly press conference.
Well they've been liars and cowards this entire time, why change now?
I have a 12 yr old son . Every time I hear this I think of the emotional damage these kids went thru. A man they thought highly of abused them then everyone in the community abused them again by keeping quiet. A high school janitor staff caught him in the act a collge staff caught him in the act and a mother was informed by her son after being curious why her sons hair was wet. This charity org he was a part of worked with troubled kids im assuming with these kids thier parents were easily paid off due to drug abuse or social standing and the charity worked with special needs kids, kids that mentally werent able to speak out about what was happening. I have 4 children 21yr old son - 12 yr old son - 8 yr old daughter - 5 yr old son. And this may sound bad or sheltering but my kids have never stayed the night at another adults home period. I dont let them go on trips. I dont trust anything Church events, Cub scout events I dont let my children out of my sight because these days as soon as you let down your gaurd your children suffer. Sorry about the long Rant.
We do not know what Joe knew or did not know but yet we are ready to crucify him. It was reported that he told his supervisors after being alerted. Why not go to the cops? I don't know but it is weird that Joe was ready and willing to talk this morning but the university chickened out. Something deeply wrong has occurred without any doubt but it just seems to me like people are willing to just rake others over the coals before the eggs have hatched. The story is very sick and sad and there will be heck to pay in the end but let's let the investigation conclude and the final report come out then do the raking itself.
If one of your coaches is giving 10 year old kids blowJ's and anal sex in your locker room....he knows. NO way he didn't know. I refuse to believe nobody told him details...no friggin' way. Chain of command isn't an excuse for covering up criminal behavior...especially with kids. Paterno should go to jail.I'm not exactly ready to execute Paterno either. Maybe he was going to leave SI the university is trying to make him a scapegoat. I want to hear what he honestly knew about this. Now, I understand why he didn't say anything if he knew but it doesn't make it right. That said the coach isn't a police officer.
Penn State should demolish the shower room and rebuild it too.
Then, where were THEY?What Joe knew or did not know really? Can anyone seriously say Joe didnt know, I mean what ever he was told he thought was important enough to alert his superiors and hide from authorities so it wouldnt hurt image of program. The legal system may not get all these people who turned a blind eye to this situation. After this plays out there will be some major money paid out by Penn State and all involved. Penn State should demolish the shower room and rebuild it too.
We do not know what Joe knew or did not know but yet we are ready to crucify him. It was reported that he told his supervisors after being alerted. Why not go to the cops? I don't know but it is weird that Joe was ready and willing to talk this morning but the university chickened out. Something deeply wrong has occurred without any doubt but it just seems to me like people are willing to just rake others over the coals before the eggs have hatched. The story is very sick and sad and there will be heck to pay in the end but let's let the investigation conclude and the final report come out then do the raking itself.
Paterno notified athletic director Tim Curley --fulfilling his legal responsibility -- but not law-enforcement authorities. Curley, charged with felony perjury and failing to report an alleged sex charge involving children, was arraigned Monday and released after posting bail.
While Paterno appears to be out of the woods legally, other key Penn State officials are facing action or could face action in the future. Asked Monday whether university president Graham Spanier is a target, Kelly said, "This is an ongoing investigation."
Then, where were THEY?
Joe Paterno knew about it and took it to Penn State's athletic director. It seems like everyone took it to the 'higher up' in the university and everyone failed to notified the police. I honestly don't understand why this wasn't taken to the cops. Paterno, Curley, the grad student, the janitors, etc.. Someone should have gotten the cops involved here.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37887/ag-joepa-not-a-target-but-school-negligent
And, why didn't the director do anything? Except for the grad student we are just guessing that everyone knew the specifics about what was going on. They all reported it and probably all had faith the people who held more power than them was going to do the right thing.Joe Paterno knew about it and took it to Penn State's athletic director. It seems like everyone took it to the 'higher up' in the university and everyone failed to notified the police. I honestly don't understand why this wasn't taken to the cops. Paterno, Curley, the grad student, the janitors, etc.. Someone should have gotten the cops involved here.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37887/ag-joepa-not-a-target-but-school-negligent
If one of your coaches is giving 10 year old kids blowJ's and anal sex in your locker room....he knows. NO way he didn't know. I refuse to believe nobody told him details...no friggin' way. Chain of command isn't an excuse for covering up criminal behavior...especially with kids. Paterno should go to jail.
who cares? Gary, if I ran a football program and someone was abusing you, do you think your Mom would think it is ok if I just told my boss and didn't contact the police?Then, where were THEY?
I don't preach. Besides, I already know you are a bit of a degenerate since you thought kicking a puppy and killing him was kind funny. You lost most of your credibility with me without even trying pards.You're trying to preach to me like I would care what you believe. All I ask is to interrogate him. I guess it's better for all of us to jump to conclusions. I forgot in this country, you are guilty until proven innocent. People will also think I'm siding with PSU.
Everybody needs to die... including the grad student and his father. Eff them all. You could not pay me enough money to turn a blind eye to a ten year old getting anally raped. Douse them all with gasoline and let them burn. Sick mother****ers.
And, why didn't the director do anything? Except for the grad student we are just guessing that everyone knew the specifics about what was going on. They all reported it and probably all had faith the people who held more power than them was going to do the right thing.
you call 911 end of story... how the grad student didn't beat the old man to within an inch of his worthless life is beyond me.... sick sack of ****...
If I'm an ex or current PSU player , I'm bathing in chlorox today .
I don't preach. Besides, I already know you are a bit of a degenerate since you thought kicking a puppy and killing him was kind funny. You lost most of your credibility with me without even trying pards.
What else is going on at Penn that the instinct of this grad student is to keep this info in the fold of Penn state, instead of calling the police automaticly I mean it seems to point to a pattern of corruption or secrets. PENN STATE chose to protect itself instead of the kids.
I think as a 23 year old I would have saw it and gathered myself because I wouldn't have believed it . As the realization set in I would have done something .
That's not the right thing. That's the corporate thing. Protecting brand image isn't more important than protecting the children.I would have called because that is just who I am but I would have just done the right thing just by telling school authorities. I still have respect for Joe and feel people are jumping the gun without all the facts.
Can't we at least hear what Joe has to say or do we just not care that much? I think we can.
I would have called because that is just who I am but I would have just done the right thing just by telling school authorities. I still have respect for Joe and feel people are jumping the gun without all the facts.
Can't we at least hear what Joe has to say or do we just not care that much? I think we can.
says a lot about you that you think this way. I'd watch out for kids outside of my own...hell, the kid I take care of isn't my kid. It's another Man's kid. If I saw a rape, murder, child porn or any harmful act to another human being I'd do my part as a human being and do the right thing. Contacting your boss and then nothing happening after the fact isn't the right friggin' thing. That's low character stuff.No we will burn him at the stake. I think many posters here are parents and therefore are thinking about this like it involves their children. I am not burdened by the role of being a parent. If Joe did fulfill his responsibility by notifying his superior then I don't understand the irrational urge to legally punish him if he did fulfill his legal responsibility. I'm not saying he shouldn't have called the police or should but in this situation. Going above his responsibility of calling the police is a personal choice. A choice he has to live with. Personal shame is more damaging than what any of these members could hope for.
They were not protecting brand image and all the right people will pay the piper big time for this and that day I can't wait to see occur.That's not the right thing. That's the corporate thing. Protecting brand image isn't more important than protecting the children.
dude, you are in total denial. They protected the Penn St brand....it was more important than having a scandal and saving more kids from the same fate. By not saying anything to the Police it helped him secure MORE VICTIMS. It was all about protecting the image/brand of the football program.They were not protecting brand image and all the right people will pay the piper big time for this and that day I can't wait to see occur.
says a lot about you that you think this way. I'd watch out for kids outside of my own...hell, the kid I take care of isn't my kid. It's another Man's kid. If I saw a rape, murder, child porn or any harmful act to another human being I'd do my part as a human being and do the right thing. Contacting your boss and then nothing happening after the fact isn't the right friggin' thing. That's low character stuff.
You better hope you don't need help one day and someone like you is the only person who is watching.You may take as many personal shots at me as you like. What he did was the right thing according to the law because that was where his legal responsibility ends. Legally he did what he had to do. Unless the law doesn't matter then there shouldn't be one.
Legally he did what he had to do. Unless the law doesn't matter then there shouldn't be one.
The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.dude, you are in total denial. They protected the Penn St brand....it was more important than having a scandal and saving more kids from the same fate. By not saying anything to the Police it helped him secure MORE VICTIMS. It was all about protecting the image/brand of the football program.
Joe Paterno is just the same as the others who didn't act Gary. Paterno WAS THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM...those guys worked for him as much as he worked under him. You aren't a morally decent man if kids are getting raped anally and orally under your nose. Sadly I'm ashamed you think this way.The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.
Where did I say that? Read the thread let's not put words in the mouth of others either.He already said he took it to the athletic director. Let's not act like he didn't know about any of it.
The bosses who just sat back did protect the brand. Blame them they SAT BACK. Not everyone goes to the cops nor is it required.
This is going to get so ugly it boggles the mind.
There can be little doubt that Paterno has known since at least 1998 that Sandusky had a “problem” with “inappropriate behavior” toward children, i.e., he was a child molester. That’s when the campus police did a six-week investigation after a mother reported to them that her 11-year-old son had showered with Sandusky. From the grand jury report:
The mother of Victim 6 confronted Sandusky about showering with her son, the effect it had had on her son, whether Sandusky had sexual feelings when he hugged her naked son in the shower, and where Victim 6′s buttocks were when Sandusky hugged him in the shower. Sandusky said he had showered with other boys and Victim 6′s mother tried to make him promise never to shower with a boy again but he would not. She asked him if his “private parts” had touched Victim 6 when he bear-hugged him. Sandusky replied, “I don’t know . . . maybe.” At the conclusion of the second conversation, after Sandusky was told he could not see Victim 6 any more, Sandusky said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”
This conversation, in which Sandusky in effect admits that there are other victims, and even refuses to say he’ll stop victimizing children, was surreptitiously observed by a PSU police detective, who was then ordered by the head of campus police to drop the matter. (The local district attorney, who for unknown reasons decided not to press charges, disappeared in 2005 and was declared legally dead in July).
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/11/living-a-lieIn any event Paterno did acknowledge in his grand jury testimony that he’s known since at least 2002 that Sandusky was a child molester, although incredibly enough now he’s even trying to walk back that admission. He testified that Mike McQueary told him he had seen Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy” in the PSU football locker room showers (McQueary testified that he saw Sandusky anally raping the child). Now in his statement Paterno is trying to get people to believe that he was told that his 58-year-old lifelong friend and co-worker was doing something “inappropriate” to a ten-year-old boy in a shower, but that he had no idea it was anything all that bad: certainly not bad enough to cause Paterno - by far the most powerful person in the PSU AD and arguably the most powerful person on campus - to wonder why the only thing that happened to Sandusky was that he was told not to bring the kids he was raping into the locker room any more (Sandusky retained all his access privileges to the campus until yesterday, and indeed was running football camps for young boys on Joe Paterno’s hallowed football field until two years ago).
anyone hear about Kalie Wong's story about Joe Pa? A couple of years back Wong stated that a player told him that Joe Paterno used to go into the team shower naked, take a shower with them and SCRUB THE BACKS OF SOME OF THE PLAYERS. Not making this up. Ask Lance Z.
at the very least this is creepy, creepy stuff.....it also makes one think that he may be a sicko too. Those types hide in plain view.