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Patriots under investigation

Good. As much as the NFL may have been keystone cops there was one nail in the coffin piece of evidence - the Patriots had a guy nicknamed 'the deflater.'
 
How long does Brady's contract run? 2-3 yrs?

I'm pretty sure that's how long this will be tied up in the courts.

BTW, did the 3 judge panel send this case back to Judge Berman?
 
steelbtexan said:
How long does Brady's contract run? 2-3 yrs?

I'm pretty sure that's how long this will be tied up in the courts.

BTW, did the 3 judge panel send this case back to Judge Berman?
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Tied up over what? Within 6 mos his suspension will be served. You can't let him play 4 extras some other time.

Technically the case goes back to the trial court but this issue is done .
 
Patriots first four opponents in 2016:

Week 1: Cardinals
Week 2: Dolphins
Week 3: Texans
Week 4: Bills

The Pats will be back in week 5 to face the.......................Browns..........
 
infantrycak said:
Tied up over what? Within 6 mos his suspension will be served. You can't let him play 4 extras some other time.

Technically the case goes back to the trial court but this issue is done .
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Can God'ell suspend him while his case goes back to Berman, or is appealed to the SC?
 
steelbtexan said:
Can God'ell suspend him while his case goes back to Berman, or is appealed to the SC?
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This was Brady's shot. His appeal was to Berman who sided with him. The ct of appeals said Berman was wrong. The case will go back to Berman with instructions to enter an order in accordance with with this decision, i.e. enter judgment against Brady.

So as of now any stay is over and the NFL ruling is in effect.
 
infantrycak said:
This was Brady's shot. His appeal was to Berman who sided with him. The ct of appeals said Berman was wrong. The case will go back to Berman with instructions to enter an order in accordance with with this decision, i.e. enter judgment against Brady.

So as of now any stay is over and the NFL ruling is in effect.
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Does an appeal to the SC have any effect on the ability to impose the suspension?
 
Brandon420tx said:
I still think they got off easy
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And I think it's much ado about nothing.
Don't matter how much pressure is in the ball if your front four plants Brady's ass in the turf when he goes back to pass or you cover the receivers so there's no one open.
 
ObsiWan said:
And I think it's much ado about nothing.
Don't matter how much pressure is in the ball if your front four plants Brady's ass in the turf when he goes back to pass or you cover the receivers so there's no one open.
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I used to understand that argument for sudden death - too bad if you didn't get the toss, stop them.

But that was legal play.

Can't say the same about illegal play.
 
ObsiWan said:
And I think it's much ado about nothing.
Don't matter how much pressure is in the ball if your front four plants Brady's ass in the turf when he goes back to pass or you cover the receivers so there's no one open.
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Oh, I'm not basing my opinion based on their win/loss record when deflating footballs. My opinion is that organisations that push the boundaries concerning the integrity of the game should get heavy handed punishments. This time a player was also directly involved in the process.

I think as repeat offenders (Spygate) the Patriots should have gotten more than what Goodell gave them, and the best way to hurt the Patriots is to take Brady out of the lineup for as many games possible, Brady was the player involved, so win-win is to suspend him for more games.
 
infantrycak said:
Not unless the 2nd circuit or S.Ct. grants a stay - which they won't, S.Ct. would laugh at being asked to consider this. Berman can't grant that stay.
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What are your thoughts on the interpretations given by Florio re. the potential "next step" outcomes? Is the entire 2nd Circuit obligated to give the rehearing.......and, if not, how likely are they to grant one?

Brady, NFLPA should definitely pursue a rehearing before the full Second Circuit
Posted by Mike Florio on April 25, 2016, 4:37 PM EDT

After Judge Richard Berman overturned the four-game suspension imposed by the NFL on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, the league exercised its right to appeal the decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, despite the grumblings of some who thought it was time to end it all and move on.

Now that the NFL has won round two, Brady and the NFL Players Association definitely should proceed with a request for a rehearing before the full court, for a variety of reasons — and regardless of whether anyone now argues that Brady and the NFLPA should take their lumps and let it be.

First, a request for rehearing (which must be filed if at all within 14 days) operates as an automatic stay of the suspension. It means that Brady, if a petition for rehearing is filed, would have his suspension held in abeyance until, at the earliest, the Second Circuit decides not to conduct a rehearing and, at the latest, until the rehearing is resolved with another ruling against Brady and the NFLPA.

If the petition for rehearing is granted, a source with knowledge of the Second Circuit procedures tells PFT that it’s quite possible (if not likely) that Brady will be able to play the entire 2016 season, regardless of the outcome.

Second, the issues in this appeal extend far beyond Brady. This is a question of the power that Commissioner Roger Goodell has when it comes to player discipline. The more power he has, the more it will take at the bargaining table to obtain third-party arbitration in matters involving the Personal Conduct Policy and conduct detrimental to the interests of the league, the two remaining areas in which Goodell serves as judge, jury, and executioner. The less power he has, the less it will take to get the league to surrender the Commissioner’s current power as part of the next CBA.

Third, it simply makes sense to push the case farther. So far, four judges have considered it. Two decided that Brady should win, and two decided that the NFL should win. The situation cries out for a tiebreaker. The only way for that to happen is for Brady and the NFLPA to seek a rehearing before the full Second Circuit.

Fourth, Patriots fans are still up in arms because the team didn’t fight as hard as it did against the punishment imposed by the league. Brady would be wise not to risk drawing their ire by not doing everything in his power to push back against an outcome that the Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has declared to be unfair.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
What are your thoughts on the interpretations given by Florio re. the potential "next step" outcomes? Is the entire 2nd Circuit obligated to give the rehearing.......and, if not, how likely are they to grant one?
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I respect his opinions on law almost as much as his football takes.

Applying for en banc is a might as well move if you have the money of the NFLPA. Whether to grant en banc is discretionary with the court (need a majority wanting to take the case) but it is intended to be and is rare - supposedly limited to cases resolving inconsistent court opinions (not at issue here) or legal questions of "extraordinary importance." Now maybe Brady and a few fans are worked up about this but this case isn't exactly on par with right to own a gun, gay marriage or even on par with something like whether paralegals are exempt employees - cases having broad ramifications.

So they might file and technically a stay (in a period of zero action) would go into place for 1-2 mos, but we're talking serious longshot on it being granted.
 
infantrycak said:
I respect his opinions on law almost as much as his football takes.

Applying for en banc is a might as well move if you have the money of the NFLPA. Whether to grant en banc is discretionary with the court (need a majority wanting to take the case) but it is intended to be and is rare - supposedly limited to cases resolving inconsistent court opinions (not at issue here) or legal questions of "extraordinary importance." Now maybe Brady and a few fans are worked up about this but this case isn't exactly on par with right to own a gun, gay marriage or even on par with something like whether paralegals are exempt employees - cases having broad ramifications.

So they might file and technically a stay (in a period of zero action) would go into place for 1-2 mos, but we're talking serious longshot on it being granted.
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Thanks for the knowledge.

DeMaurice Smith cut a crappy CBA deal and KIng God'ell is going to really lay down the hammer now that he brought down the games biggest star. Wonder if God'ell realizes the damage to the shield he's done after claiming he was doing everything in his power to protect the shield.

The next CBA negotiations are going to be the most contentious in NFL history thanks to God'ell's actions and a strike is almost a certainty. Difference is because of God'ell the fans will be on the labor side for the next round of the CBA talks.

Leading to the killing of the golden goose.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for the knowledge.

DeMaurice Smith cut a crappy CBA deal and KIng God'ell is going to really lay down the hammer now that he brought down the games biggest star.
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They've been crappy deals from the get go. The hard cap, with no floor, until recently & then the floor is avg'd over three years.

The franchise tag is a mechanism that caps the amount a player can receive. Players should have asked for an exemption, like the NBA, where 90% maybe 80% would count against the cap.

The vet minimum should be tied to the cap. If the cap jumps 6% a given year, then Vet & rookie minimum should as well (I think this is the way this works, so they may have gotten this one right).
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for the knowledge.

DeMaurice Smith cut a crappy CBA deal and KIng God'ell is going to really lay down the hammer now that he brought down the games biggest star. Wonder if God'ell realizes the damage to the shield he's done after claiming he was doing everything in his power to protect the shield.

The next CBA negotiations are going to be the most contentious in NFL history thanks to God'ell's actions and a strike is almost a certainty. Difference is because of God'ell the fans will be on the labor side for the next round of the CBA talks.

Leading to the killing of the golden goose.
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Going to completely disagree, Doc. The owners have 30 years or more in ownership and then pass on the hundreds of millions to kids. A player has maybe a five year (average) for a pretty good amount of money. Approximately 450 players are drafted annually and I'd guess UDFA that make roster would balance out those drafted but not kept on active roster. These guys enter CBA negotiations with nothing in their banking account compared to hundreds of millions if not billions in owners. Who can go longest without new income ? There are only so many Watts and Brady types. There is a reason that NFL players union is weakest. NFL owners were rich before getting an NFL team; not so for players. Compare owners of NFL, Hockey, basketball, baseball or soccer. Who has the overall best financial situation speaking team wise? The golden goose is the fans paying the prices and so far, NFL fans have not cut back the "gold".

Players will hear the judge basically say you have a crappy deal and will want to correct it. NFL should and probably will offer a deal that players will grab. Only fans will suffer the short time of any strike. Only a half season loss will upset fans enough to concern owners if at all.
 
thunderkyss said:
They've been crappy deals from the get go. The hard cap, with no floor, until recently & then the floor is avg'd over three years.

The franchise tag is a mechanism that caps the amount a player can receive. Players should have asked for an exemption, like the NBA, where 90% maybe 80% would count against the cap.

The vet minimum should be tied to the cap. If the cap jumps 6% a given year, then Vet & rookie minimum should as well (I think this is the way this works, so they may have gotten this one right).
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lol you can ask for anything but unless you are willing to sacrifice, the answer you will get is no. The income has exploded since the last strike and player veterans will not allow lower salary players to cost them significantly. The gravy is just too good to lose it trying to get another spoonful. Players have an excellent opportunity to improve things especially 16 game increase owners want.
 
The players get 48.5% (composite)of revenue. Cap has gone way up, and a lot faster than American salaries. Biggest issue for the players and in the minds of the public - and it's not looking unfair.

Who gets to hear an appeal? How the cap is divided among stars and bench players, between vets and rookies, etc. Those are trivialities, internal fussing, to the vast majority of fans and certainly casual viewers.

Not seeing any great anger arising against the NFL, abandoned man caves, fans forever lost to the glories of a beautifully well played game on the pitch to 0-0.
 
badboy said:
Going to completely disagree, Doc. The owners have 30 years or more in ownership and then pass on the hundreds of millions to kids. A player has maybe a five year (average) for a pretty good amount of money. Approximately 450 players are drafted annually and I'd guess UDFA that make roster would balance out those drafted but not kept on active roster. These guys enter CBA negotiations with nothing in their banking account compared to hundreds of millions if not billions in owners. Who can go longest without new income ? There are only so many Watts and Brady types. There is a reason that NFL players union is weakest. NFL owners were rich before getting an NFL team; not so for players. Compare owners of NFL, Hockey, basketball, baseball or soccer. Who has the overall best financial situation speaking team wise? The golden goose is the fans paying the prices and so far, NFL fans have not cut back the "gold".

Players will hear the judge basically say you have a crappy deal and will want to correct it. NFL should and probably will offer a deal that players will grab. Only fans will suffer the short time of any strike. Only a half season loss will upset fans enough to concern owners if at all.
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Fans wont suffer, they will just move on to other things, (I know I will) more time with the family, church outings etc... and college football will rise even more during a strike, which will hurt the NFL shield even more.
 
The players wanted more money and got it. They agreed to give Goodell unilateral power over off-the-field discipline in exchange for this. Now they have the guy dropping the hammer on anyone who causes a PR stir and they're crying that it's not fair. Too bad. They're the idiots who didn't read the fine print. Goodell is and always has been a corporate suit. Everyone knew he was going to abuse this power in order to protect the brand but the union didn't care at that point in time because they had dollar signs in their eyes.
 
WolverineFan said:
Everyone knew he was going to abuse this power in order to protect the brand but the union didn't care at that point in time because they had dollar signs in their eyes.
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The overwhelming majority of players will never run afoul of Goodell, so the union was doing its job in getting the max amount of $$$. Prior to deflategate, I would bet that Brady had no problem with the power Goodell wielded.
 
WolverineFan said:
The players wanted more money and got it. They agreed to give Goodell unilateral power over off-the-field discipline in exchange for this. Now they have the guy dropping the hammer on anyone who causes a PR stir and they're crying that it's not fair. Too bad. They're the idiots who didn't read the fine print. Goodell is and always has been a corporate suit. Everyone knew he was going to abuse this power in order to protect the brand but the union didn't care at that point in time because they had dollar signs in their eyes.
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dont act like the NFLPA actually had a chance of getting even 1/5 the stuff they probably wanted. The NFL is a multi billion dollar organization, most of these owners are billionaires and were billionaires before they acquired their teams and will still have that money after. Whereas most of these players come from nothing, who dont have jobs to go back to if football ends. They are at the mercy of the NFL, what happened last time there was a strike? The NFL got replacement players and went on like nothing happened. These players had to get back on the field in order to make money they werent exactly operating at a place of leverage
 
Wow, disagree with that whole thing. The NFL players are positioned better than just about any group around to strike. The economics have changed a lot since Keanu ran on the field. Let's not forget who makes those billionaire owners look like paupers - the networks...and the sponsors. They don't want a football game administered by the NFL. They want the superstar household names out on the field. Ones like JJ the sponsors have invested millions in, the sponsors who pay for the ads that generate the money the networks pays the league which makes up 2/3rds of the NFL's revenue.
 
Shishkabob said:
dont act like the NFLPA actually had a chance of getting even 1/5 the stuff they probably wanted. The NFL is a multi billion dollar organization, most of these owners are billionaires and were billionaires before they acquired their teams and will still have that money after. Whereas most of these players come from nothing, who dont have jobs to go back to if football ends. They are at the mercy of the NFL, what happened last time there was a strike? The NFL got replacement players and went on like nothing happened. These players had to get back on the field in order to make money they werent exactly operating at a place of leverage
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so they cannot use their degrees to get jobs like others do? Sure a $100,000 job doesn't pay the bills encouraged by $3 million football gig but whose fault is that? These guys live in a storybook world for a time and when most leave they transit to reality.
 
WolverineFan said:
The players wanted more money and got it. They agreed to give Goodell unilateral power over off-the-field discipline in exchange for this. Now they have the guy dropping the hammer on anyone who causes a PR stir and they're crying that it's not fair. Too bad. They're the idiots who didn't read the fine print. Goodell is and always has been a corporate suit. Everyone knew he was going to abuse this power in order to protect the brand but the union didn't care at that point in time because they had dollar signs in their eyes.
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Exactly. All this outrage & uproar from the player's union & talking heads regarding the NFL & Goodell's "power" over players..****'s all fake....Didn't here all this whining from the players union, fans & ESPN talking heads about Goodell exercising his NEGOTIATED power when it was Ray Rice or here recently, Josh Gibson, Greg Hardy & Johnny Manziel..Didn't here a peep out of the players union. & the fans & ESPN talking heads couldn't get enough of talking about that stuff on a daily basis. But now b/c it's the infallible.......primadonna ass Brady that's within the commish's crosshairs, all of a sudden Goodell has too much power over the players & the fans & ESPN talking heads are just ready to be done with this whole thing. I have an idea for the players.

Here's a bit of advice from me to the players:

How about you jokers stop getting in trouble off the field &/or stop trying to cheat on it.....Doing this just might thwart Goodell's "power" over you. & when the next CBA deal comes up, how about you guys tuck a little something away so that you might have a fighting chance to hold out for a better CBA deal for ALL players not just the vets.
 
Shishkabob said:
dont act like the NFLPA actually had a chance of getting even 1/5 the stuff they probably wanted. The NFL is a multi billion dollar organization, most of these owners are billionaires and were billionaires before they acquired their teams and will still have that money after. Whereas most of these players come from nothing, who dont have jobs to go back to if football ends. They are at the mercy of the NFL, what happened last time there was a strike? The NFL got replacement players and went on like nothing happened. These players had to get back on the field in order to make money they werent exactly operating at a place of leverage
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They're only at the mercy of the NFL b/c they allow themselves to be put there. Practice squad players can make a minimum of 102,000 if they last on their for the entire season...& if I recall, the NFL active roster minimum is like 3-4 times that. So even if they flame out after a few years, they've likely made more money in 2-3 years than the average person has made in their prime working years...for many people close to their entire working life. Do you know what I could do with just 1 year's worth of an NFL minimum salary of 405,000? Debt free, and living real well.
 
Mr teX said:
Exactly. All this outrage & uproar from the player's union & talking heads regarding the NFL & Goodell's "power" over players..****'s all fake....Didn't here all this whining from the players union, fans & ESPN talking heads about Goodell exercising his NEGOTIATED power when it was Ray Rice or here recently, Josh Gibson, Greg Hardy & Johnny Manziel..Didn't here a peep out of the players union. & the fans & ESPN talking heads couldn't get enough of talking about that stuff on a daily basis. But now b/c it's the infallible.......primadonna ass Brady that's within the commish's crosshairs, all of a sudden Goodell has too much power over the players & the fans & ESPN talking heads are just ready to be done with this whole thing. I have an idea for the players.

Here's a bit of advice from me to the players:

How about you jokers stop getting in trouble off the field &/or stop trying to cheat on it.....Doing this just might thwart Goodell's "power" over you. & when the next CBA deal comes up, how about you guys tuck a little something away so that you might have a fighting chance to hold out for a better CBA deal for ALL players not just the vets.
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I don't think it has anything to do with it being Brady in the cross hairs. It's that the NFL couldn't prove he did anything and Goodell was still able to suspend him. I don't think the union fully grasped the power it was giving him during CBA negotiations. They were more concerned with the amounts of money they could leverage from the NFL.
 
Mr teX said:
They're only at the mercy of the NFL b/c they allow themselves to be put there. Practice squad players can make a minimum of 102,000 if they last on their for the entire season...& if I recall, the NFL active roster minimum is like 3-4 times that. So even if they flame out after a few years, they've likely made more money in 2-3 years than the average person has made in their prime working years...for many people close to their entire working life. Do you know what I could do with just 1 year's worth of an NFL minimum salary of 405,000? Debt free, and living real well.
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and while I agree that they make lots of money that many of us could only dream about, and we can easily say now how we wouldnt blow through it can you honestly say you would be responsible with it when you were 21? Hell even people not in sports who are older and supposedly more mature blow through money like its nothing, hence why most lottery winners end up worse off then they were before they won it. Most people dont know what to do, and how to protect that money when they get it so it goes a lot quicker then any of them anticipate.
 
WolverineFan said:
I don't think it has anything to do with it being Brady in the cross hairs. It's that the NFL couldn't prove he did anything and Goodell was still able to suspend him. I don't think the union fully grasped the power it was giving him during CBA negotiations. They were more concerned with the amounts of money they could leverage from the NFL.
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See I disagree. The fact that this is one the NFL's most revered players is why all this fake outrage by the fans and media is going on. Had this been a Mark Sanchez - Sam Bradford level guy and this happened, no one would give 2 shits about what the NFL and Goodell exercising his power to enforce a suspension. It's only b/c its arguably the GOAT qb, along with the Patriots and their cheating past why this is being blown up.

True enough though, the money was their primary concern in the CBA negotiations though, but like I said, if these dudes would just stay out of his crosshairs to begin with, Goodell would in effect be neutered
 
Shishkabob said:
and while I agree that they make lots of money that many of us could only dream about, and we can easily say now how we wouldnt blow through it can you honestly say you would be responsible with it when you were 21? Hell even people not in sports who are older and supposedly more mature blow through money like its nothing, hence why most lottery winners end up worse off then they were before they won it. Most people dont know what to do, and how to protect that money when they get it so it goes a lot quicker then any of them anticipate.
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I agree, & I guess I'm just different b/c I've been looking forward to the day that I could put my feet up, relax and do what I really want to do since around 23 or so. I'm fairly positive that outlook has something to do with the fact that I've never been out of work for more than a couple of months since I was 18 (36 now) but you've got to figure many of those guys should have that same outlook; especially considering that many of them come from low income households & shouldn't ever want to go back......... & most of them have in effect been "working" most of their young lives to get to the level they're at to make that type of money. So yeah, I can safely say that by the time I'd bought everything I could possibly want, & gone everywhere I could possibly want to go with the 1st 2-3 years I'd have been looking long term. Obviously though, many of these guys think there's always next year until it ain't a next year.
 
Mr teX said:
See I disagree. The fact that this is one the NFL's most revered players is why all this fake outrage by the fans and media is going on. Had this been a Mark Sanchez - Sam Bradford level guy and this happened, no one would give 2 shits about what the NFL and Goodell exercising his power to enforce a suspension. It's only b/c its arguably the GOAT qb, along with the Patriots and their cheating past why this is being blown up.

True enough though, the money was their primary concern in the CBA negotiations though, but like I said, if these dudes would just stay out of his crosshairs to begin with, Goodell would in effect be neutered
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There is also a line of thinking that BECAUSE it was the Patriots and Brady, the NFL took a harsher stance due to previous situations and in order to make an example out of a high profile player. Perhaps it would have been a non-story with very little punishment if it had been a Mark Sanchez - Sam Bradford level guy getting caught.

QBs tampering with footballs is truly nothing new under the sun. Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new

If it was such a huge issue, why didn't the NFL go after David Carr in 2006 when he openly admitted it? Oh yeah, because backup David Carr is a nobody and not worth the league's time.

Or how about other teams tampering with footballs? Why such silence from the league if they really believe it is about so-called "integrity of the sport"?

There was clearly an element of witch-hunt agenda-driven vendetta with the Patriots story.
 
Double Barrel said:
There is also a line of thinking that BECAUSE it was the Patriots and Brady, the NFL took a harsher stance due to previous situations and in order to make an example out of a high profile player. Perhaps it would have been a non-story with very little punishment if it had been a Mark Sanchez - Sam Bradford level guy getting caught.

QBs tampering with footballs is truly nothing new under the sun. Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new

If it was such a huge issue, why didn't the NFL go after David Carr in 2006 when he openly admitted it? Oh yeah, because backup David Carr is a nobody and not worth the league's time.

Or how about other teams tampering with footballs? Why such silence from the league if they really believe it is about so-called "integrity of the sport"?

There was clearly an element of witch-hunt agenda-driven vendetta with the Patriots story.
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That's fair, but imo is the league wrong for taking that stance? Aren't you less likely to believe someone or take a harsher more guarded stance against someone whom you know has lied and/or crossed you once before? In all honesty it's not even about the singular issue of deflating footballs or that it was/is a huge issue........ just like we knew that bountygate was nothing new that went on in the locker rooms of NFL teams. But while there was outrage about bountygate, the Saints & Sean Payton just took their medicine for the entire league & went on about their business & it blew over. Brady & the Pats have elected to draw this crap out...even rejecting a reduced suspension offered by Goodell and the league. Why? to try and save face/legacy. So in a lot of ways the witch hunt was brought on by themselves - b/c of their actions in spygate & b/c their arrogance...I mean they had a guy known as "the deflator" on their team for god sakes.

& when you consider that this player/franchise is looked upon as being the model player/franchise for the entire league...a player/franchise that supposedly represents everything Goodell is claiming to protect....a HC known for exploiting rules deficits in the rule book to his team's advantage, It gives you more cause to want to go after them after being caught up in yet another cheating scandal b/c you know there's just no chance they didn't know what was going on as Belichick would later claim. It's just a bad look. So yeah, I'm not even going to discount the witch hunt agenda. I think it's overplayed by Brady/Patriot fanboys but it's there. But what's also there that fans & media pundits like to gloss over as jealousy is that this is the 2nd time they've been accused/caught doing unscrupulous things.
 
eriadoc said:
Maybe so, but Mr Tex has a point - if they don't cheat, there's no witch to hunt. At the end of the day, the Patriots cheated (again). If they don't do that, this story doesn't exist.
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Not really

Cold weather makes footballs deflte.

Same as with tires.

The whole thing was a God'ell witch hunt to prove his power over the players/NFLPA. If he can do this to Brady he can do this to any player. It accomplished what it was intended to do. Take the heat off of God'ell's failed Hardy/Peterson rulings. Not to mention the Rice fiasco.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not really

Cold weather makes footballs deflte.

Same as with tires.

The whole thing was a God'ell witch hunt to prove his power over the players/NFLPA. If he can do this to Brady he can do this to any player. It accomplished what it was intended to do. Take the heat off of God'ell's failed Hardy/Peterson rulings. Not to mention the Rice fiasco.
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Neither cold weather nor Goodell make you nickname the trainer responsible for handling the balls 'the Deflator.'
 
infantrycak said:
Neither cold weather nor Goodell make you nickname the trainer responsible for handling the balls 'the Deflator.'
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So where's the proof Brady told the dude to deflate the balls until they were illegal. Belichick or Brady, even Kraft could've told the Deflator to keep the ball at the minimum air pressure the NFL allowed and A. The Deflator could've screwed up, or B. The cold could've decreased the air pressure from the minimum that the Deflator reduced it too. Or C. Any of the above could've told the Deflator to cheat.

There's no proof that anything was intentional. However one thing is for sure God'ell has further tarnished the shield that he has punished other teams in the name of trying to protect. Like Bountygate, where Tags basically said at the very least God'ell was incompetent and at the worst a liar.

After Bountygate I can never believe anything the man says.
 
infantrycak said:
Neither cold weather nor Goodell make you nickname the trainer responsible for handling the balls 'the Deflator.'
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At best that is circumstantial - I wouldn't call it evidence.
If my nickname is "Killer" does that make me a murder suspect?
 
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Controversy is good for business it seems.

I am to the point that it doesn't mean squat whether he sits or not. Brady still has the super bowl ring and is going to the hall. Just like bill.
 
Brady could still delay suspension without Second Circuit rehearing
Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2016, 7:49 AM EDT

By next Monday, Tom Brady and the NFL Players Association almost definitely will file a petition for a rehearing of the federal appeal that resulted in the reinstatement of Brady’s four-game #Deflategate suspension. If the petition for rehearing is granted, Brady likely will be available for most if not all of the 2016 season as the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit takes up the issue.

If, on the other hand, the Second Circuit denies the petition, Brady will need to take swift and successful action to further delay the suspension pending an effort to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court to consider the case.

First, Brady would ask the Second Circuit for a stay of the suspension while an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court is prepared and pursued. If that request is denied, Brady would present the question of whether the suspension will be stayed not to the full U.S. Supreme Court but to the lone Supreme Court justice assigned to the Second Circuit.

Currently, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has the Second Circuit assignment. Which on the surface is good news for Brady, given that Justice Ginsburg was appointed to the Supreme Court by a Democratic president and has been part of the liberal/progressive voting block on the Court since joining it in 1993.

The background and overall philosophy, which suggests an inclination to side with labor over management, could make her more apt to allow Brady to keep playing while he throws one last Hail Mary pass aimed at overturning his suspension for good.

Bottom line? Even if the Second Circuit refuses to take any further action and the U.S. Supreme Court later refuses to consider the case at all, Justice Ginsburg becomes the key to keeping Brady on the field through issuance of the Supreme Court’s decision not to take up the case, which if she issues the stay means that Brady likely wouldn’t be suspended until 2017 at the earliest.
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steelbtexan said:
Not really

Cold weather makes footballs deflte.

Same as with tires.

The whole thing was a God'ell witch hunt to prove his power over the players/NFLPA. If he can do this to Brady he can do this to any player. It accomplished what it was intended to do. Take the heat off of God'ell's failed Hardy/Peterson rulings. Not to mention the Rice fiasco.
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It would have taken an 80 degree temperature drop to get to the pressure the balls were measured.
Air pressure per temperature is proportional and linear. I suppose they could have heated the balls to 120 degrees initially, but I bet the officials would have said something about hot balls by now.
 
Beer and Metal said:
It would have taken an 80 degree temperature drop to get to the pressure the balls were measured.
Air pressure per temperature is proportional and linear. I suppose they could have heated the balls to 120 degrees initially, but I bet the officials would have said something about hot balls by now.
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That's not what the scientists said.
 
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