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His first pass in nfl went the distance , hmmmm?
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His first pass in nfl went the distance , hmmmm?
The Colts have got to be the luckiest franchise in NFL history when you think about it. What other franchise was able to end a reign of a decade with a HOF QB like Manning and then immediately end up with another guy that looks like the best QB out of the draft in the last 10 years? And why in the hell did it have to be a team in our division?
Luck will become a pain our asses in about two years.
I said a while ago that I don't think the Colts will suck like everyone is projecting....
I think they will be pretty good atually...
Yep. I wasn't all that wowed after watching the game. Reviews > performance, imo. Rams looked awful on both sides. Janoris almost picked Luck. Colts go no-huddle midway through second quarter. Luck make some great looking passes further into the game, no doubt, but that O-line is a dangerous to his health.He threw the ball five yards and it turned into a touchdown. I think Brown should be getting all the hype.
I don't think I've ever seen a rookie QB that poised and that friggin' polished. I kept thinking how sacked David Carr would have been with that first pass and the pocket collapsing around Luck. Now I wish we went after Manning (ok, save your reprimands folks). Manning vs Luck in the AFC South would have dominated some of the networks storylines for years to come.
ok, I get it...if a guy looks good and he isn't a Texan we are crazy to be impressed with him. On the other hand, if we see a marginal PS talent on the Texans we should all have a big moon pie smile and rant and rave about him.Let's go ahead now and put him right into the HOF, waive the whole 5 year
waiting period after leaving the league. He's that special, have I got that right ?
The Colts have got to be the luckiest franchise in NFL history when you think about it. What other franchise was able to end a reign of a decade with a HOF QB like Manning and then immediately end up with another guy that looks like the best QB out of the draft in the last 10 years? And why in the hell did it have to be a team in our division?
Luck will become a pain our asses in about two years.
Greenbay Packers?
Rodgers was there in GB for one or two years while Favre was still the guy.
And Rodgers was not touted, nor had the tangible assets in college, that Luck possessed coming right out of college.
If anything, Rodgers flew under the radar and slowly developed as Favre's star faded away. Luck was an immediate pickup right after the previous superstar QB departed. Not totally similar circumstances. IMO.
Aaron Rodgers was in the talk as being a top pick but the 49'ers went with Alex Smith because they were run by a team of monkeys, and it's very very fair to say that he has been one of the best QB's to be drafted in the last 10 years.
ok, I get it...if a guy looks good and he isn't a Texan we are crazy to be impressed with him. On the other hand, if we see a marginal PS talent on the Texans we should all have a big moon pie smile and rant and rave about him.
Aaron Rodgers was in the talk as being a top pick but the 49'ers went with Alex Smith because they were run by a team of monkeys, and it's very very fair to say that he has been one of the best QB's to be drafted in the last 10 years.
Most people here see the situation as different because Indy is a division rival and the Pack is in the NFC but the two situations are quite similar. See also the Montana to Young transition for the previously said 49'ers.
Look b0ng, you went for the kill and you failed. OK?
It is NOT factual to make a direct comparison between Manning-Luck and Favre-Rodgers.
1. Rodgers was nowhere near the college QB prospect that Luck was.
2. Rodgers was not drafted highly like Luck was. #24 overall vs. #1 overall.
3. Rodgers was drafted as a potential successor to Favre, and in contrast Luck was deemed THE successor as soon as Irsay cut Manning and was done with him. Immediacy, b0ng. Immediacy.
4. How many Packers fans bought into the idea that when Favre was let go that the precious Aaron Rodgers was going to be a suitable successor? The hopes for Rodgers had been set pretty low.
I cannot in any way see how the Packers and the Colts are on equal footing here. What Irsay did should be investigated by the league, but it won't. Andrew Luck is perhaps the next biggest boon to the NFL and Goodell won't dare allow anything to sour that. Business wins out at the end of the day, which is how Luck got to the Colts in the first place. Anybody thinking Irsay left this to chance is lacking in proper objective criticism skills. It's. Big. Business. And you don't leave those things to chance, folks.
I thought he looked pretty good. Take away the 1st play and he still looked impressive, imo.
I get pissed just thinking about having that dude in our offense. Our O would be just plain sick
Well, that's our fault for building a team the legitimate way...rather than doing whatever we needed to do--for an entire season, not just the last game of the season--in order to get Andrew Luck.
Colts fans and their team and their owner skyrocketed to the top of the Bad Apple chart for me. Bud held that spot for a long time, but since he's senile and couldn't manage a franchise properly even if he wanted to, Irsay has surpassed him as being the biggest con man in the AFC South.
I know that it's 99.999% true that Kris Brown shanked a kick vs. the 49ers in the final game of the reg season in order to have us lose...so that we would get the #1 pick (Mario Williams). But it's different at the last game, compared to the methodical approach the Colts took to do a tank job for the entire season except a couple of games for posterity's sake.
All of this has made me seething angry, as I am sure I've made myself clear the past few days here, and I hope the Colts suffer for it. To game the system the way they did, to get Andrew Luck, is despicable. And it warrants an investigation (but none is forthcoming because Luck is GOOD for the NFL). This, too, plays to the hand of Irsay. As usual.
That's OK, **** has a way of coming around. Guys like Irsay lay their plans and hatch their eggs...but that doesn't always mean that it becomes a Golden Goose all of the time. Here's to hoping the Texans get enough film on him in order to make so many matchup problems for Luck that he ends up having the worst day of his NFL career when we meet him in the reg season.
I am not scared of their run game. Shut down the pass, get hits on him, rinse and repeat.
What is it that you think should be investigated by the league?
1. The handling of Peyton Manning, primarily.
2. Any internal communications between Irsay and other Colts' personnel (scouts, advisors, etc.).
3. If there were any Colts coaches or players who would come forward to testify that they (the coaches and/or players) were aware of certain practices that were intended to make it a disadvantage for the Colts every Sunday..
Look, this is BAD for the NFL. It's bad because fans and viewers are purchasing tickets based on an idea that the product they see on the field is the best product they can be provided week in and week out.
How would you like it if Coca-Cola was secretly cutting corners and putting some really, REALLY bad stuff in their soft drinks...to gain an edge on profit at YOUR expense? You're buying a product and placing faith that the money you spend is being spent on a product that has been assembled to the utter limits of quality control...but then you find out that you've buying far worse than what you believed you were buying..
Same with NFL or NBA or NHL or any other sports league tickets. If the fan is being duped, if he's being conned, even if the goal was to ensure a brighter future for that team's fans...it's illegitimate and it should be investigated and punished. It's not "just entertainment," it's dollars that might have been withheld and spent elsewhere by the fans if they know their precious team is ran by a filthy man who doesn't operate ethically and thinks the ends justify the means.
This doesn't bother many people, though, since our culture has easily become a culture of "The ends justify the means." As long as we get what we want, so be it. Screw ethics.
Colts fans, sleep as comfortably as you can...knowing that your team is filthy.
ok, I get it...if a guy looks good and he isn't a Texan we are crazy to be impressed with him. On the other hand, if we see a marginal PS talent on the Texans we should all have a big moon pie smile and rant and rave about him.
The pass into the EZ was impressive, but that little flip right over the los that the back took for about 60 or 70 yards and for a TD was just that, a little 5 or 7 yard flip even though it's a very long TD pass in the books.ok, I get it...if a guy looks good and he isn't a Texan we are crazy to be impressed with him. On the other hand, if we see a marginal PS talent on the Texans we should all have a big moon pie smile and rant and rave about him.
Look b0ng, you went for the kill and you failed. OK?
It is NOT factual to make a direct comparison between Manning-Luck and Favre-Rodgers.
1. Rodgers was nowhere near the college QB prospect that Luck was. True, but once in a generation QB's usually only come once in a generation. Comparisons can be made since they were both talked about as top picks
2. Rodgers was not drafted highly like Luck was. #24 overall vs. #1 overall. What does that have to do with the transition from one great QB to the next? It's still a transition from one greatest to the next
3. Rodgers was drafted as a potential successor to Favre, and in contrast Luck was deemed THE successor as soon as Irsay cut Manning and was done with him. Immediacy, b0ng. Immediacy. Rodgers was drafted to specifically take over the QB position after Favre. Much like Luck was for Manning. It's still one QB to the next and both being great.
4. How many Packers fans bought into the idea that when Favre was let go that the precious Aaron Rodgers was going to be a suitable successor? The hopes for Rodgers had been set pretty low. Uh, maybe you should go by some Packers forums and read up around 2008. They were pretty adamant that if Rodgers wasn't great as a starter they wanted Thompson gone
I cannot in any way see how the Packers and the Colts are on equal footing here. What Irsay did should be investigated by the league, but it won't. Andrew Luck is perhaps the next biggest boon to the NFL and Goodell won't dare allow anything to sour that. Business wins out at the end of the day, which is how Luck got to the Colts in the first place. Anybody thinking Irsay left this to chance is lacking in proper objective criticism skills. It's. Big. Business. And you don't leave those things to chance, folks.
The pass into the EZ was impressive, but that little flip right over the los that the back took for about 60 or 70 yards and for a TD was just that, a little 5 or 7 yard flip even though it's a very long TD pass in the books.
You're one of those guys who still gets into a lather hating on David Carr even to this day, right ? Tell you what, if Luck's first regular season game is as solid as Carr's was, then I'll really be impressed. 'Till then it's just the first PS game of the year.
Jim Irsay let Bill Polian draft garbage every year after they drafted Wayne. Bill Polian being the architect of those teams that were basically all Manning, he got fired as well as his puppet Caldwell. If Peyton Manning's neck was not injured do you think Irsay would've still ****canned an entire season just to draft Luck? Do you remember when Carolina was oh oh oh so bad in 2010 and people were thinking Luck was going to go there but they ended up with Newton instead? Were they tanking too or were they just a bad team?
I can understand if you were to say that once the Colts had lost 12 games they said "screw it" and tried to lose games, but if you remember they had already lost 12 games by the time they got the Titans win, and then the Texans win. So now I am just left wondering if you are legit crazy or if you're having a senior moment and are misremembering everything that happened before Luck played yesterday.
EDIT: Guess who's statline this was for his first preseason game at QB:
14 of 19, 143 yards and 2 TDs, 0 INT
Luck is going to be great. I would not be surprised if we split with them this year.
Considering we split with them last year when they were a one win team otherwise means I wouldn't be surprised if we went 0-2 against them this year
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You asked a question, I provided an answer.
What the hell, man...am I supposed to be a lead investigator and do this myself? I'm not in that position.
I was just saying that IF the league is concerned about the suspicious activities of teams--such as Bounty Gate with the Saints--then they should look into the Colts' actions in 2011, as well. Each of those instances is a threat to the integrity of the game.
Don't patronize me with sophomoric questions and accusations, either. I'm not so dense as to not know that you were merely leading me into some sort of a trap with what you tried to pass off as a sincere question. That's why I kept my answer short and sweet, I knew you were baiting me...and nothing I could have replied with was going to sway you--You had your sights set on picking me apart no matter what I said.
Get up a few minutes earlier in the day to catch the worm.
Its just curious that you call for an investigation with no real basis. On a side note maybe you should try to use less fancy words in your post so that you avoid the double negatives. Trying to look smart isnt looking so good
Show me your basis that he did NOT engage in questionable tactics. This works both ways, no?
Why do I have to spin my wheels, why don't YOU tell me how it is that an owner (Irsay) strings along his franchise QB all off-season, camp, preseason, and well into the reg season...then WHAMMO! fires everyone associated with the franchise QB and then waits until a few days before the official deadline to announce that--shocker!--he's going with Andrew Luck.
I want you to also tell me how starting Curtis Painter, who was miles worse than even Orlovsky was, and retaining Caldwell as HC was Irsay's way of helping his team win lots of games in 2011. Well, what a freaking coincidence...Caldwell is gone and Painter is gone too. Such a coincidence. Irsay is operating on Bill Clinton levels here. LOL..
If you see smoke, isn't it reasonable to assume there is a fire or something happening that is producing the smoke? Or is it just an illusion? Of course you're going to come up with a way how it is just an illusion, I'm sure of it. LOL.
I use fancy words because it's fun. Plus, you want me to be a legal expert and to single-handedly bring the Colts down IF they are as guilty as I think they are...so I have to use big words, right?
Dude, we're on the freaking INTERNET chatting on a message board. Do you GET that? Then again, based on your interaction in the HOA thread...it seems all you do is attack people for the fun of it.
I need to see your full proof that Irsay didn't orchestrate a subtle tank job, please. I'll show you my proof when you show me yours. Otherwise, skip the horse**** tactics and just debate the topic rather than making this a hit piece on me.
Its just curious that you call for an investigation with no real basis. On a side note maybe you should try to use less fancy words in your post so that you avoid the double negatives. Trying to look smart isnt looking so good
Wow. Look at all the utter defeatism being posted.
LOL.
We're already 0-2 and the season hasn't started yet.