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I think JJ serves one more year as the number 3. Walter is getting paid like a 2, and he is a very reliable 2. Until J proves to me his hands and route running ability, he stays number 3.
I think if Jacoby really puts it all together, the team will run three wideouts more often than not. KW's blocking is pretty invaluable.
How well does JJ perform as a second level blocker? Walter has been described as almost being a second tight end in the running game.
Kubiak wants to run the ball 30 times a game; this year it looks like we will have the personnel to finally see the full scope of Kubiak's offense.
So, what is JJ's value in this scheme?
Jacoby reminds me of an '84 Alvin Harper with greater upside and better speed.
Compare Michael Irvin w/ Alvin Harper to Andre Johnson w/ Jacoby Jones.
In single coverage, the only question has been "is the play long enough" for him to get deep.
One of the things I thought was interesting last year was when they showed the SF Niner's Defensive Coordinator's wrist band where he had notes written and different receiver numbers and packages and things. He had 12 written very large with a circle around it.
JJ is turning into a playmaker. If he can keep his head on straight, he's going to have a lot more balls thrown his way this season.
But I can't see him unseating KW as #2 until he gets down and dirty with the blocking like KW does. I think KW is just too reliable working underneath for him to lose his spot.
But.
I could be wrong.
Precisely; what's there not to like about our receivers; top to bottom we have some great talent.... KW is a great run blocker. But JJ isn't a bad run blocker. Plus with JJ in the game defenses are more spread out because they have to account for the speed of both AJ and JJ. Thereby opening up more running lanes for the RB's. IMHO
Only problem with this is.. MS dosent have the cannon to bomb it super deep. Only knocks on him, durability and not a rocket. More than breaks even with the accuracy and decision making
I think if Jacoby really puts it all together, the team will run three wideouts more often than not. KW's blocking is pretty invaluable.
IMO, that's bull-butter. He might not have an arm that dislocates fingers, but he's got plenty to get it down field. He had 15 passes that went for over 40, which is good for 4th best in the league.
A rifle for an arm is like the 40 yards dash at the Combine.....overrated
So we discourage productivity? I think McNair has shown he will step up and pay good players. I think both AJ and Demeco found that out recently.Bump JJ up to #2, let him show his stuff and rack up 700-1000 yards opposite of AJ, then watch him leave in free agency next year for big money from a WR needy team. Seems like a great plan.
So we discourage productivity? I think McNair has shown he will step up and pay good players. I think both AJ and Demeco found that out recently.
Hey, I'm not knockin on him for it, Its just what it is. How many of those were middle range throws for long yardage? How many times does he have completely over-the-top throws..
I know Seattle game and Tennessee game off the top of my head, both blown coverages..
The run blocking thing is a little overrated.
Hey, I'm not knockin on him for it, Its just what it is. How many of those were middle range throws for long yardage? How many times does he have completely over-the-top throws..
I know Seattle game and Tennessee game off the top of my head, both blown coverages..
I don't necessarily think that time was them "figuring out" that he coould be a decent #2/3, but rather it took JJ that long to mature enough to work in Kubiak's offense. The Kid's got talent, but he also needed to grow up some.Nah, it's just a shame that it has taken them 4 years to figure out that Jacoby can be a good #2, even if he is mostly a one-trick-pony that stretches the field on deep routes. It worked for the Saints and Robert Meecham, so why not use JJ that way? Especially with AJ on the other side, JJ would be seeing one on one coverage most of the game.
Hey, I'm not knockin on him for it, Its just what it is. How many of those were middle range throws for long yardage? How many times does he have completely over-the-top throws..
I know Seattle game and Tennessee game off the top of my head, both blown coverages..
Hey, I'm not knockin on him for it, Its just what it is. How many of those were middle range throws for long yardage? How many times does he have completely over-the-top throws..
I know Seattle game and Tennessee game off the top of my head, both blown coverages..
Great follow-up response. Another under appreciated aspect of the position is the "possession" receiver - the go-to guy when a first down is needed - the one who runs a short precision route and never drops the ball. The Texans have one of these also.This is a ridiculous statement. Actually receivers as blockers is a very UNDERRATED aspect of the game. Any guesses on who Ronnie Lott, in his book Total Impact called the toughest receiver he ever had to face? Anthony Carter? Cris Carter? Michael Irvin? Henry Ellard? None of the above. A guy named Weegie Thompson. A receiver for the Steelers. The reason being is Lott said Thompson was so physical with his blocking that it had an impact on Lott's ability to cover because he said his head was constantly on a swievel looking for Thompson. For an offensive coordinator, a receiver who can really block is like gold. Yet casual fans could hardly give a damn because its not flashy and unless its Hines Ward laying out Ed Reed it wont be featured on Sports Center.
Absolutely Jacoby is more explosive than Kevin Walter - not that Kevin is exactly a plodder - and JJ is obviously the more talented of the two. However Kevin brings more of the intangibles and is one of the better blocking receivers in the league. If you think that is "overrated" you are simply showing your ignorance of the game. Also Kevin is less likely to put the ball on the ground. Thats not overrated either.
When people talk about arm strength normally they are really talking about how a QB makes those short and intermediate throws. How much Zip is on the ball and such...You know..Like the ability to jam the ball into tight spaces so when it hits the receivers hands it stings a little...
I will admit that Matt doesn't throw too many zingers, but what he lacks in that area he makes up for it with accuracy, touch and his reads..
Deep balls are more about touch and accuracy than it is about arm strength though
JJ could still do it, I think, but he really needs to work on his hands. Just today I was rewatching that last game against the Pats. We had the ball in the red zone, Schaub makes a short, quick pass to JJ, whose hands its bounces up out of, and one of the DBs gets it and takes it to the house--probably a 14 point swing. You have to do a LOT of good to make up for things like that.
Based on everything up to this point, I'd have to say that KW is still the starter.
well this whole argument is null.
they should be talking dez bryant instead of overpaid walter and terrible kareem.
just imagine when dez lights up molden in september, with kareem on the bench "learning"..
what a waste of a pick. #20 for a bench warming cb?
andre johnson/dez bryant/jacoby jones = scary
dez has the chance to be the best wr in the league,while kareems peak at best is an average cb....texans always go for "need" instead of best player.
im convinced if chris johnson was on the board,the texans would draft kareem jackson instead because we have foster. wait,that happened...they picked duane brown instead of chris johnson because of the "need" for a LT
well this whole argument is null.
they should be talking dez bryant instead of overpaid walter and terrible kareem.
just imagine when dez lights up molden in september, with kareem on the bench "learning"..
what a waste of a pick. #20 for a bench warming cb?
andre johnson/dez bryant/jacoby jones = scary
dez has the chance to be the best wr in the league,while kareems peak at best is an average cb....texans always go for "need" instead of best player.
im convinced if chris johnson was on the board,the texans would draft kareem jackson instead because we have foster. wait,that happened...they picked duane brown instead of chris johnson because of the "need" for a LT
well this whole argument is null.
they should be talking dez bryant instead of overpaid walter and terrible kareem.
just imagine when dez lights up molden in september, with kareem on the bench "learning"..
what a waste of a pick. #20 for a bench warming cb?
andre johnson/dez bryant/jacoby jones = scary
dez has the chance to be the best wr in the league,while kareems peak at best is an average cb....texans always go for "need" instead of best player.
im convinced if chris johnson was on the board,the texans would draft kareem jackson instead because we have foster. wait,that happened...they picked duane brown instead of chris johnson because of the "need" for a LT
Dude, just like in the training camp thread you have no idea what you're talking about you probably have not even been there like many of us have.well this whole argument is null.
they should be talking dez bryant instead of overpaid walter and terrible kareem.
just imagine when dez lights up molden in september, with kareem on the bench "learning"..
what a waste of a pick. #20 for a bench warming cb?
andre johnson/dez bryant/jacoby jones = scary
dez has the chance to be the best wr in the league,while kareems peak at best is an average cb....texans always go for "need" instead of best player.
im convinced if chris johnson was on the board,the texans would draft kareem jackson instead because we have foster. wait,that happened...they picked duane brown instead of chris johnson because of the "need" for a LT
well this whole argument is null.
they should be talking dez bryant instead of overpaid walter and terrible kareem.
just imagine when dez lights up molden in september, with kareem on the bench "learning"..
what a waste of a pick. #20 for a bench warming cb?
andre johnson/dez bryant/jacoby jones = scary
dez has the chance to be the best wr in the league,while kareems peak at best is an average cb....texans always go for "need" instead of best player.
im convinced if chris johnson was on the board,the texans would draft kareem jackson instead because we have foster. wait,that happened...they picked duane brown instead of chris johnson because of the "need" for a LT