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He also seems to think we don't need a known Qb of any quality.Andy Reid is a more accomplished coach than O'Brien. Our local QB whisperer doesn't feel like he needs an OC. Good luck with that.
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He also seems to think we don't need a known Qb of any quality.Andy Reid is a more accomplished coach than O'Brien. Our local QB whisperer doesn't feel like he needs an OC. Good luck with that.
BOB has had 8 different qb’s run his offense unsuccessfully...
But in my mind, we’re not likely to see any major improvements until we find a coordinator who can make our offense work or BOB shows us something we haven’t seen from him to this point.
This may very well be and I think it explains why we haven't been contenders -- our coach is on the same learning curve as our young offensive core. Structural coaching issues need to be nailed down before we can build anything. BOB being our O coordinator and sharing head coaching responsibilities w/ RAC introduces a new learning curve and adjustment period. It can work, but it doesn't seem ideal and it lasts only as long as RAC decides to stick around. Then we're looking for another de facto head coach and I'm not sure how many qualified people want the role without the title.I wonder how involved O'b was in our offense. It's been difficult to separate our offense from our QB's performance from day 1.
O'b started calling plays this year & all of a sudden we have TEs, which was a staple of the offense he ran in New England.
I mean we were all thinking we wasted a 3rd round pick right?
It's possible that O'b told Godsey what needed to be done & felt very confident Godsey would get it done. Then come game day when things did not go so well he chalked it up to the limitations of the QB; Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Brock... then he saw similar issues with Savage, he finally realized the problem is bigger than his QB.
I wouldn't be surprised to see an actual offense when the season starts.
O'Brien didn't have an OC his first year here - he called the plays - and TEs weren't featured in that version of the offense.I wonder how involved O'b was in our offense. It's been difficult to separate our offense from our QB's performance from day 1.
O'b started calling plays this year & all of a sudden we have TEs, which was a staple of the offense he ran in New England.
I mean we were all thinking we wasted a 3rd round pick right?
It's possible that O'b told Godsey what needed to be done & felt very confident Godsey would get it done. Then come game day when things did not go so well he chalked it up to the limitations of the QB; Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Brock... then he saw similar issues with Savage, he finally realized the problem is bigger than his QB.
I wouldn't be surprised to see an actual offense when the season starts.
TK can be all over the place; we knew that.O'Brien didn't have an OC his first year here - he called the plays - and TEs weren't featured in that version of the offense.
O'Brien didn't have an OC his first year here - he called the plays - and TEs weren't featured in that version of the offense.
This is basically the gist of my argument. GG was the fall guy this last season and got fired even though he basically was nothing more than Ob's lap dog.It seems to me that the more likely problem isn’t the qb, but the offense and how the players are being coached to run it.
Did I say that? I had to go back to my original post because I don't think that Os isn't a big problem. In context, I was saying that BOB has burned through 8 different qb's without finding our guy and called for Savage to start. But it seems like we're on the same page as far as coaching.This is basically the gist of my argument. GG was the fall guy this last season and got fired even though he basically was nothing more than Ob's lap dog.
Pretty much where I'm at - even a first round draft pick is going to be a "project". Whoever we select needs to have the skill set, but equally important will be his football IQ and how fast he can pick things up....So that's where I'm at. I think BOB has a good offensive mind and his offense can work really well with a skilled qb that gets it. I'm just not confident that he can dumb things down enough to get a new guy up to speed quick enough to not lose all of his confidence in the process.
I don't think a rookie qb can be successful on this team. It's possible that things will click for Os and he will process the game fast enough for drastic improvement next year, but I feel like Savage already gets it and may have better tools that Os -- I'd like him to get the role...
I agree with an open competition. My opinion was that 'the leak' and rumors about BOB leaving bought him the leeway to have this competition and freedom to bench Os if he wants to. McNair eventually came around to BOB's position and stepped out from in front of the cub w/ comments about needing him to play better. Whether or not any of this is true doesn't really matter to me, as long as McNair is giving BOB the freedom to go with whoever he chooses and it seems like that's where we're at.Pretty much where I'm at - even a first round draft pick is going to be a "project". Whoever we select needs to have the skill set, but equally important will be his football IQ and how fast he can pick things up.
One advantage Weeden has over Romo, Cutler or another vet is that he already has a training camp under his belt. Savage just needs to stay healthy; but you have to go into camp with him being a question mark.
But whatever the organization ends up deciding, IMO we don't go into camp with a predetermined starter. Our starter needs to earn the job and not earn it in practice but earn it with effective playing time.
This should have been done last year but that's water under the bridge. What I have mulled over is that, whoever the vets are, we carry the evaluation period into the front part of the season, giving each one two starts to see how they perform. By mid-season we know who our starter is, to carry us the rest of the way into the playoffs.
I am for drafting a rookie as a future starter and temporary backup option. Yes it may be that the rookie can't be successful but last season was a bad season for Os and Savage was not much better while in. Of coarse injuries did not give us enough to go on in regards to Savage.I don't think a rookie qb can be successful on this team. It's possible that things will click for Os and he will process the game fast enough for drastic improvement next year, but I feel like Savage already gets it and may have better tools that Os -- I'd like him to get the role.
I would not either but just the same I am not expecting it. I think it would be more likely if O'b makes the quarterbacks battle for the starters role.I wouldn't be surprised to see an actual offense when the season starts.