alvin boy!
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Not all on the play caller or O line. I bet Weeden could be mid pack at worst not dead last
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Is this some kind of joke? O'Brien to call plays and not hire an OC
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Thorsson is that you?
yeah. thought maybe he was trying to sneak in a conversation starter in an inappropriate thread in his new persona
ya know, same MO with a slight twist
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
It most certainly wouldn't be if I was a moderator.
Actually, did that moderator thing once, not here, and not ever again. It's a royal pain in the ass, and totally drains all enjoyment of the site from you.
I know. It's just a minor tongue-in-cheek kick-in-the-shin reminder to the ones that are.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I know. It's just a minor tongue-in-cheek kick-in-the-shin reminder to the ones that are.
Moderating this site should be (I think) fairly easy compared to some, depending on the rules involved. For instance, the Civ Fanatics site is very VERY rule oriented. And a Star Trek site I visit is full of, well, trekkies, that will argue to the death about which cat was in which episode of TNG as Data's cat. A lot has to do with the subject of the site itself, and this site just doesn't have anywhere close to the level of trolling that other more "general subject" sites have.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I think Obrien could run the plays from tecmo bowl and find more success.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
It is a thankless job and explains his 0-60 approach. With a history of run ins people are eager to argue sometimes. Im guilty. That being said, there's a lot of freedom of speech here. Hell, i created a smartass post about weeden and didnt hear anything from a mod about it - i expected to. It's appreciated.
Anyway, to get back on track here:
-The scheme and playcalling arent going to change. That much is certain based on what's already unfolded.
-ob has shown a history of trusting ex pat QB's. I think we're all out of those. Is there a fa qb vet familiar with the e-p system? I saw elsewhere the cowboys employ some of those elements. Im not sure who else does. Perhaps the chargers and rivers ,but frankly thats a pipedream.
-i saw tk post elsewhere this was a qb friendly system and I believe it's just the opposite. (Sorry tk not a shot at you.) Kubiak ran a qb friendly offense. This offense is friendly to everyone BUT THE QB. The failure here was not grooming more young qb's who had a chance to learn it. They took a shot at savage and no one else. The rest were fools gold vets with a questionable track record.
- now ob is up against it. This offense has to improve and ob being the ego driven guy he is has staked his reputation on this comming year.To late to groom another young qb. Cant trust oz or savage. He'll pursue another vet qb (like romo, cutler, bradford) and take a late shot in the draft at a qb hoping for lightning in a bottle.
- they will make every effort to boost the ol (as im sure thats a mandate from every level in the chain of command) and ob will revert to his most successful nfl offense. Gronk and Hernandez. I wont be surprised to see them pursue martelious Bennet or snag a te in the top 2 rds to pair with cj.
That attack bumps the run game and alleviates pressure on the qb.
Jmo of course.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
I don't know. Seems that O'brien's azz is on the line for next year. He better step up and make the offense work, regardless of who is QB. I'm thinking we will see a change with the offense.
I don't know that I called this offense QB friendly. I believe the way O'b explained it in that video floating around is that the "system" is supposed to make it easier for QBs to make good decisions.
But the receivers have to run the right routes based on the defense.
I'm not foolish enough to think the receivers are "always" running the wrong routes. But I do believe Brock often expects the receivers to do something other than what they did.
Like when he's got time, but throws a wildly inaccurate throw. Like when Fuller cut in, but Brock threw the ball outside against New England.
austins23
Hall of Fame
If, IF the Texans were to acquire Romo, or even Cutler, wouldn't he have to change his scheme? At least a little bit? I would hope he would.
[QUOTE="powda, post: 2681794, member: 545"Kubiak ran a qb friendly offense. This offense is friendly to everyone BUT THE QB.
Jmo of course.[/QUOTE]
This system is hell on QB's and WR's. They have to see and think the same things while keying of different things. Kubiak did run a truly simple offense for QB's. He had the I call the play and you do this offense.
Jmo of course.[/QUOTE]
This system is hell on QB's and WR's. They have to see and think the same things while keying of different things. Kubiak did run a truly simple offense for QB's. He had the I call the play and you do this offense.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
This system is hell on QB's and WR's. They have to see and think the same things while keying of different things. Kubiak did run a truly simple offense for QB's. He had the I call the play and you do this offense.[/QUOTE]
That may be about the wr's but i haven't really read it or heard it in reports. (Maybe i just missed it.) It's been widely touted about the qbs again and again.
It's almost as if ob is proud of having a complex system. In fact the more complex it is the better right? Bs. Oddly, some of our better qb performances have been with guys new to the system playing the dumbed down version. Could be a clue ob.
This system is hell on QB's and WR's. They have to see and think the same things while keying of different things. Kubiak did run a truly simple offense for QB's. He had the I call the play and you do this offense.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, maybe he should hire Kevin Gilbride, Chris Palmer or June Jones as a consultant. They have proven to be good teachers of the run and shoot concepts.
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humblegeo
Guest
If McNAIR is serious about getting to the Superbowl and considering the fact that we have the #1 defense in the NFL, how can he go along with Obrien calling his own plays when we had one of the worst offenses in the NFL this year. More of the same to come, sounds to me like.
His ass should be on the line. He is just as responsible for the poor offensive performance as anyone. I don't see how anything is going to change. Let's be clear, this is his offense. It's his design. Even when he wasn't calling the plays, he was involved in game planning and look at how poor that was. Unless we somehow get a real NFL QB in here that can pick up this offense fast, this is a bad move.
OB is letting his ego and pride get the best of him.
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I just didn't see the "adjustments" throughout the year to give me confidence in this move. But yes I agree it's good that now it's his ass on the line. Just aggravated that we are most likely going to have to live through another year of this horrid offense. It really makes our games hard to watch. Not to mention completely waste what a great defense we most likely will have. Not to mention we will probably be missing out on hiring the best young offensive mind in all of football right now in shanahan.
Don't get me wrong, I really hope OB succeeds. I hope he is responsible for a big turnaround on offense. I just don't see it.
I think it's very possible the OC has responsibilities beyond what we see on game day & a HC does not have the ability to monitor.
I've seen several times where bringing in a new OC doesn't work, especially not quickly. I've seen several times when it does.
I have never seen a HC take over to this extent. I don't know that I'd call it ego... he basically demoted himself. I think it says something about his belief in what he's built.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
I really wish McNair would tell O'brien, "Look, your "system" sucks. We are hiring a new OC with a new system and you will let him run the offense. If you don't like it, you can resign."
Since that isn't happening, I will continue with the standard Houston fan hope and prayers and optimism for next year. It's all we got. It's all we ever had. Getting pretty damned used to it over the last 50 years.
Since that isn't happening, I will continue with the standard Houston fan hope and prayers and optimism for next year. It's all we got. It's all we ever had. Getting pretty damned used to it over the last 50 years.
Wolf
100% Texan
Yes that's it
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Of course he's proud of it. Even if it "the system" doesn't mean ****. His ego gets stroked.
His "system" is unintelligible trash but hey, as long as he "has one" he can blame people for just "not getting it."
Sorry to offend the delicate genius of Bill O'Brien.
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TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Personally I can't wait till O'b makes our offense among the best offenses in the league. I imagine O'b will take us to a championship by being head coach and offensive coordinator.
O'b is a quarterback whisperer and he will work his magic on whichever quarterback starts next season.
O'b is a quarterback whisperer and he will work his magic on whichever quarterback starts next season.
Wolf
100% Texan
Just some bored reading
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...ootball-inside-bill-obriens-playbook,1053184/
Penn state football. Inside Bill O'briens playbook
http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...playbook-new-but-not-yet-new-england,1050759/
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...ootball-inside-bill-obriens-playbook,1053184/
Penn state football. Inside Bill O'briens playbook
http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...playbook-new-but-not-yet-new-england,1050759/
Wolf
100% Texan
http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com...esh-concept-simplified-pass-concepts.html?m=1
Another read about Obriens offense..
Another read about Obriens offense..
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humblegeo
Guest
He's mad about his Offensive Coordinator being forced out so as a result he has made the decision for now that if he can't have his guy then there will be no Offense Coordinator for his team. Period!!! And he could care less if the fans like it or not. Obviously Obrien, Smith and McNair have very serious issues and I think the fans have tolerated this bs long enough. Time for Obrien to move on and OUT of Houston. Back to Pennsylvania or wherever and good luck ever getting another job in the NFL.
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alvin boy!
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Rick Smith is the asshole that needs to go
Obviously
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humblegeo
Guest
I mean for crying out loud, doesn't every team in the NFL have an offensive coordinator? Who the heck does he think he is? How about that Red Zone offense of the Texans 2016. Absolutely Pitiful, all under his control and command. Give me a break. I'm sorry but this is starting to tick me off. I want him fired if he doesn't go along with someone new being brought in to run this pathetic offense.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
If im not mistaken, Andy Reid does the play calling in KC
Not sure about that but they do have Brad Childress as their OC.If im not mistaken, Andy Reid does the play calling in KC
Correction: The Chiefs have two, count 'em, TWO offensive coordinators, Childress and Matt Nagy. LINK
The Kansas City Chiefs have not one but two new offensive coordinators. Andy Reid named Brad Childress and Matt Nagy as the Chiefs co-offensive coordinators after Doug Pederson left for the Eagles.
Andy Reid confirmed that he will be calling the plays. More specifically, he said that he would call the bad plays and Childress and Nagy would call the good plays.
"We'll keep Brad in the box (upstairs) and then Matt will go ahead and come down on the field - he'll do the coach-to-quarterback headset," Reid said on Thursday via quotes from the Chiefs. "As far as the duties go, we'll just see how all that plays out. Right now, they're just splitting them up and we're working through that. There's plenty there to work with."
So that's Reid on the field calling plays, Nagy relaying them through the headset and Childress working from the booth.
So they effectively have three and we have one.
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Texans fans have tolerated a helluva' lost worse considering 132 consecutive sellouts at NRG Stadium that includes two 2-14 seasons...
I certainly understand your frustration, but this franchise does not really care what we think about things when business is so good regardless of the product on the field.
Something doesn't compute....
15 seasons x 8 home games = 120 + 3 home playoff games = 123
They must have transposed a couple of digits
to be clear I'm not arguing against your overall point, just questioning their math
Maybe that's how Osweiler got paid so much. These guys suck at arithmetic.
Something doesn't compute....
15 seasons x 8 home games = 120 + 3 home playoff games = 123
They must have transposed a couple of digits
to be clear I'm not arguing against your overall point, just questioning their math
Maybe that's how Osweiler got paid so much. These guys suck at arithmetic.
Maybe it's this new day and age of "alternative facts" I keep hearing about....
....sort of like when O'Brien said he watched all the film of Brock and also said "he is an accurate passer".
Aaaaah... I see.Maybe it's this new day and age of "alternative facts" I keep hearing about....
....sort of like when O'Brien said he watched all the film of Brock and also said "he is an accurate passer".
I don't get it. But I'm too old for these newfangled ideas
Not sure about that but they do have Brad Childress as their OC.
Correction: The Chiefs have two, count 'em, TWO offensive coordinators, Childress and Matt Nagy. LINK
The Kansas City Chiefs have not one but two new offensive coordinators. Andy Reid named Brad Childress and Matt Nagy as the Chiefs co-offensive coordinators after Doug Pederson left for the Eagles.
Andy Reid confirmed that he will be calling the plays. More specifically, he said that he would call the bad plays and Childress and Nagy would call the good plays.
"We'll keep Brad in the box (upstairs) and then Matt will go ahead and come down on the field - he'll do the coach-to-quarterback headset," Reid said on Thursday via quotes from the Chiefs. "As far as the duties go, we'll just see how all that plays out. Right now, they're just splitting them up and we're working through that. There's plenty there to work with."
So that's Reid on the field calling plays, Nagy relaying them through the headset and Childress working from the booth.
So they effectively have three and we have one.
Andy Reid is a more accomplished coach than O'Brien. Our local QB whisperer doesn't feel like he needs an OC. Good luck with that.
Tom Clements is leaving the Packers. This would be a good hire as an OC or assistant offensive coach. He has extensive knowledge working with QBs and the passing game.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lements-to-leave-packers-capers-set-to-return
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lements-to-leave-packers-capers-set-to-return
Here's Johnny!
Noob
preseasonSomething doesn't compute....
15 seasons x 8 home games = 120 + 3 home playoff games = 123
They must have transposed a couple of digits
to be clear I'm not arguing against your overall point, just questioning their math
Maybe that's how Osweiler got paid so much. These guys suck at arithmetic.
Wolf
100% Texan
They are counting preseason. I am not sure if they were adding in the 2016 season with that already? (It was a,2015 guide)It would be 10 more games (mexico game throws it off) plus an assuming playoff game.Something doesn't compute....
15 seasons x 8 home games = 120 + 3 home playoff games = 123
They must have transposed a couple of digits
to be clear I'm not arguing against your overall point, just questioning their math
Maybe that's how Osweiler got paid so much. These guys suck at arithmetic.
Hell i dont know lolol
Alternative facts it is
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I think ObsiWan was most likely right in that the numbers on NRG's site were transposed. They wrote 132 when it is really 123.