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Is this some kind of joke? O'Brien to call plays and not hire an OC

I honestly do not understand how anyone can have any optimism for 2017 with this kind of news.

A great defense can only do so much, as we have seen in the playoffs for the past two years.

The Texans defense was playing to win against the Patriots, and Brady was beatable in that game. Unfortunately, this offense, led by what I'd consider a lukewarm OC/HC (at best) was anemic. Defense cannot carry the entire team, so I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to muster up some "give a crap" for 2017 when all I can realistically expect is status quo and maybe a repeat of 2016 (and that's if this division does not get better, which I think it will improve in 2017).

This team has proven that the old mantra that "defense wins championships" is obviously conditional. And those conditions are not having an offense that punches itself in the face throughout the game and not having special teams that really pushes the term "special".
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly do not understand how anyone can have any optimism for 2017 with this kind of news.

A great defense can only do so much, as we have seen in the playoffs for the past two years.

The Texans defense was playing to win against the Patriots, and Brady was beatable in that game. Unfortunately, this offense, led by what I'd consider a lukewarm OC/HC (at best) was anemic. Defense cannot carry the entire team, so I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to muster up some "give a crap" for 2017 when all I can realistically expect is status quo and maybe a repeat of 2016 (and that's if this division does not get better, which I think it will improve in 2017).

This team has proven that the old mantra that "defense wins championships" is obviously conditional. And those conditions are not having an offense that punches itself in the face throughout the game and not having special teams that really pushes the term "special".
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I have optimism because OB has nothing to hide behind now. The offense is 100% on him. If it fails, he failed and it will be there for everyone to see. If he succeeds, it's because he succeeded and it will be there for everyone to see.

If this means success or a regime change, I'll be :popcorn:
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly do not understand how anyone can have any optimism for 2017 with this kind of news.

A great defense can only do so much, as we have seen in the playoffs for the past two years.

The Texans defense was playing to win against the Patriots, and Brady was beatable in that game. Unfortunately, this offense, led by what I'd consider a lukewarm OC/HC (at best) was anemic. Defense cannot carry the entire team, so I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to muster up some "give a crap" for 2017 when all I can realistically expect is status quo and maybe a repeat of 2016 (and that's if this division does not get better, which I think it will improve in 2017).

This team has proven that the old mantra that "defense wins championships" is obviously conditional. And those conditions are not having an offense that punches itself in the face throughout the game and not having special teams that really pushes the term "special".
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What the bleep. I guess BoB wants to make sure we maintain the offensive trajectory and reach the goal of being the 32nd ranked offense.
 
DocBar said:
I have optimism because OB has nothing to hide behind now. The offense is 100% on him. If it fails, he failed and it will be there for everyone to see. If he succeeds, it's because he succeeded and it will be there for everyone to see.

If this means success or a regime change, I'll be :popcorn:
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Honestly, I've thought the offense was on him the past three seasons. Patsy Godsey aside, this is clearly O'Brien's baby with all it's complications and NE-wannabeisms. Godsey was here to implement O'Brien's vision...which was obviously on the shortsighted way of things.
 
Double Barrel said:
Honestly, I've thought the offense was on him the past three seasons. Patsy Godsey aside, this is clearly O'Brien's baby with all it's complications and NE-wannabeisms. Godsey was here to implement O'Brien's vision...which was obviously on the shortsighted way of things.
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As I've posted before, I think OB lets his coaches coach. The OC handles the offense and the DC handles the defense. OB has little input on either, other than an overarching strategy. The coordinators are in charge of the tactics. OB is Ike, RAC is Patton and Godsey is Fredendall. Now OB gets to play Napoleon. Almost.
 
Sigma said:
what is success?

winning season?
going to the playoffs?
at least 1 playoff win?

none of the above, but 16 weeks of entertaining football in the regular season?
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A productive offense, of course. And maybe a few less failures on ST. The D will be there, barring a major injury bug on that side of the ball.
 
DocBar said:
I have optimism because OB has nothing to hide behind now. The offense is 100% on him. If it fails, he failed and it will be there for everyone to see. If he succeeds, it's because he succeeded and it will be there for everyone to see.

If this means success or a regime change, I'll be :popcorn:
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Yep,

I just hope he gets to cut /add/start the Qb's of his choice.

If that happens then we will know he didn't get railroaded out of town.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
What the bleep. I guess BoB wants to make sure we maintain the offensive trajectory and reach the goal of being the 32nd ranked offense.
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Sure seem
chicagotexan2 said:
What the bleep. I guess BoB wants to make sure we maintain the offensive trajectory and reach the goal of being the 32nd ranked offense.
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One would wonder if he just threw the deck of cards in the air today and randomly grabbed cards and position changes. But, I'm sure this is all part of a well thought long-term master strategy.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep,

I just hope he gets to cut /add/start the Qb's of his choice.

If that happens then we will know he didn't get railroaded out of town.
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If he doesn't choose who starts and there are verifiable facts that prove it, I'll start wearing my very own :tinfoil:
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly do not understand how anyone can have any optimism for 2017 with this kind of news.

A great defense can only do so much, as we have seen in the playoffs for the past two years.

The Texans defense was playing to win against the Patriots, and Brady was beatable in that game. Unfortunately, this offense, led by what I'd consider a lukewarm OC/HC (at best) was anemic. Defense cannot carry the entire team, so I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to muster up some "give a crap" for 2017 when all I can realistically expect is status quo and maybe a repeat of 2016 (and that's if this division does not get better, which I think it will improve in 2017).

This team has proven that the old mantra that "defense wins championships" is obviously conditional. And those conditions are not having an offense that punches itself in the face throughout the game and not having special teams that really pushes the term "special".
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You took the words right out off my mouth. The small glimmer of hope I had when they fired Godsey is now gone. It's like closing time, when there are only fat chicks left at the bar, its like "well... should I? Nah fk it I'll pass." :pissed: :littlelol:
 
False Start said:
You took the words right out off my mouth. The small glimmer of hope I had when they fired Godsey is now gone. It's like closing time, when there are only fat chicks left at the bar, its like "well... should I? Nah fk it I'll pass." :pissed: :littlelol:
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Based on?
 
To answer the op's question, yes this is a joke.

Like watching your first flea circus.

Like finding out a Nigerian king has a great reward for you if only you'll help him.

The problem is, this is the same joke on offense ob's been telling us for years. Do you wanna know the secret? Somewhere having fine caviar and thousand dollar bottles of wine a select few are laughing. At us. We're the same punch line we've been since Bud was here.

I dont think i can stomach another year of this pungent offense.
 
Sigma said:
what is success?

winning season?
going to the playoffs?
at least 1 playoff win?

none of the above, but 16 weeks of entertaining football in the regular season?
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If we can't make it to the SB in our own stadium it's a colossal fail. Haven't you been reading this forum this year?
 
False Start said:
The small glimmer of hope I had when they fired Godsey is now gone. It's like closing time, when there are only fat chicks left at the bar, its like "well... should I? Nah fk it I'll pass." :pissed: :littlelol:
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Heck yeah! I would tap it all night long. Big girls need loving too!
And our defense will be even better with the return of J.J. Watt.

But sadly, how will Will Fuller's hands improve? Can they improve?
I know Jerry Rice dropped a ton of balls as a rookie and he became the all-time greatest.
I'm not saying Will Fuller is Jerry Rice. But improving "bad hands" is possible.
It takes a lot of hard work. I'm not sure if Will Fuller is willing to put in that hard work.
 
So many things on the Offensive side of the ball are going to change, said with Sarcasm. I would not so far as to call it a joke, as much as I would call it a Farce.
 
I'd say success would be getting to the playoffs because the team actually deserves to be there, not because the division is weak. I'd say success, for OBrien, would be a self sufficient offense that isn't entirely reliant on the short field position granted by the defense. One that has more drives of some substance than three and outs+turnovers by games end. An offense that has more TDs than FGs by seasons end. Only the Texans,Jets, Eagles and the Ravens pulled off the opposite this season. The Jets almost had a 1:1 ratio, and the Eagles were pretty close too.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...onType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go
 
DocBar said:
As I've posted before, I think OB lets his coaches coach. The OC handles the offense and the DC handles the defense. OB has little input on either, other than an overarching strategy. The coordinators are in charge of the tactics. OB is Ike, RAC is Patton and Godsey is Fredendall. Now OB gets to play Napoleon. Almost.
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Who you are describing is Mike Tomlin with the Steelers. Watch him during the game Sunday. He does not carry a Denny's menu with him. He truly lets his coordinators call the plays, and he is there to keep the team focused, motivated, make calls when needed, and basically be a commander.

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Now look at images of Bill O'Brien on the sideline. He always has a Denny's menu, clearly with offensive plays. He lets his DC run everything on that side of the ball, but O'Brien clearly involves himself with the offense, even taking away the play calling responsibilities from his OC like he did earlier this season.

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I don't know if one style is better than the other. Successful examples can be found with both methods. It obviously depends on the individual coach.

But, back to the main point, this is O'Brien's offense from the beginning and he finds coaches that share his philosophies. Unfortunately, he's been unable to find a QB to do the same in three seasons.
 
Double Barrel said:
Who you are describing is Mike Tomlin with the Steelers. Watch him during the game Sunday. He does not carry a Denny's menu with him. He truly lets his coordinators call the plays, and he is there to keep the team focused, motivated, make calls when needed, and basically be a commander.

1386174046000-c02-belljump-03.jpg


Now look at images of Bill O'Brien on the sideline. He always has a Denny's menu, clearly with offensive plays. He lets his DC run everything on that side of the ball, but O'Brien clearly involves himself with the offense, even taking away the play calling responsibilities from his OC like he did earlier this season.

CFB-Bill-OBrien-594x356.jpg


I don't know if one style is better than the other. Successful examples can be found with both methods. It obviously depends on the individual coach.

But, back to the main point, this is O'Brien's offense from the beginning and he finds coaches that share his philosophies. Unfortunately, he's been unable to find a QB to do the same in three seasons.
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OB shared and had veto power on play calling most of this season. I'm also referring to game planning and practice sessions. I'm 100% assuming that. I've never attended a training camp or practice session for the Texans.
 
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