ensign_lee
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Oh, and take this for what it is (just a video game), but when you switch Babin from his OLB spot to a DE spot, his rating goes jumps at least 8 points to an overall 94. Something to think about.
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William.carter said:I like Babin but if he had the same potential as Williams does he would have been a DE to begin with. And they surely wouldn't have gone after Williams in this draft. Secondly, Bush's "character concerns" have little if anything to do with the house scandel in my opinion. It had more to do with him wanting to be the #1 pick more than playing for the Texans. It's about him working out for other teams on his team visits and not for us. It's about him shouting show me the money and i'll have to get used to losing a few games rather than being excited about competing at the top level of his sport and saying how much he's love to play for New York.
A 3-technique tackle lines up between the offensive guard and tackle. A 3-technique tackle is supposed to run through his gap immediately. He is a 1-gap player. His job is not to block or get tied up in a block, but rather to be athletic and get himself into the offensive backfield and disrupt their plans. Because of this a 3-technique tackle is a lighter more athletic guy than a nose tackle, typically weighing more like 290 to 300 pounds.
wrestler4life said:I would love to think that we could trade Peek and get some picks next year or a higher price DB or RB
ensign_lee said:I am a big fan of having drafted Mario.
That being said, there is merit to the argument that our defensive line may have been fine by itself.
Sure, we were the 31st ranked defense last year, but back then, we were running the 3-4 defense, not the 4-3 that we are running now. Without Williams, we essentially added three linemen:
A) Anthony Weaver, LE (He'd play on top of the right tackle, for sure if Babin was opposite him)
B) Travis Johnson, DT (I include him as an addition, because now he will get to play differently than he did in a 3-4; he'll get to attack, rather than contain, making him a completely different player)
C) Jason Babin, RE (Moving to a new position, he could have been the monster that he was in college. Hell, even if he was merely mediocre at the position, it would be an upgrade over the pass rush we had previousy).
That makes 3/4 roster spots changed and upgraded. We added Williams, which further anchored the line, but our line wasn't looking SO bad without him.
Personally, I would like to see the line consist of
RE: Mario Williams
DT: Weaver, Johnson, Payne/Smith(whichever one stays on the roster)
LE: Jason Babin
as far as starters, but somehow, I doubt that will happen. That's my preferred DL lineup, however.
I'm really scared of what's going to happen to Babin. I don't relish the thought of discounting him completely. I'd rather have him out there on the line than riding the pine.
thunderkyss said:Wide reciever is also on the short list in Denver..... prepare to be loosing AJ in the coming years.... the contract Molds got, is pretty close to max what a reciever should be getting....
Bobo said:Who needs a home run hitter when the defense sets you up at the opponent's 30? That's what Williams is designed to help do.
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:Sorry man, but I stopped reading right there and came to the conclusion that you are INSANE!
Not a personal attack, I really think he is insane...........
31st in overall defense does not make it "fine"
TheOgre said:I would imagine Javon Walker is making decent $$$'s. Also, how much is Rod Smith making? I agree about RB, but I am not sold on that statement about receivers.
Honoring Earl 34 said:You know a Mercedes is really not as good of a car as a Lexus . If you ask though most people think its the best because of their name .
TheOgre said:I like Williams. I just think the team might still need a new RB in the future.
gtexan02 said:SO my point? Our DL SUCKED last year (31st, ouch!), but by switching to the 4-3 (read the players comments about this) and adding key personel (Babin to DE, Weaver to DE, Peek to DE, Kalu to DE, TJ to DT) we WOULD have improved. We didn't need Williams to improve. Sure he is an upgrade, but that upgrade would have been better spent (54 million!?!) elsewhere. Now our DL consists of: Weaver, Williams, Payne, (HUGE contracts) TJ and Babin (1st round picks!), Smith (big contract) and Peek (HUGE potential who will never see the field). That is a lot of talent and money going to waste because of this pick
gtexan02 said:PS: Why can people say that coaching will improve our offense, but when I say our DL will be improved by coaching, people start throwing out DSM diagnoses. Richard Smith + Kubiak + improved OL coaching would all have improved our DL regardless of additions. Loss of Capers alone would have inspired our boys
gtexan02 said:PS2: Please note that despite my anti-Williams postings, I think he's gonna be a monster. I love the guy's potential, I just don't think he was worth #1 overall
gtexan02 said:PS2: Please note that despite my anti-Williams postings, I think he's gonna be a monster. I love the guy's potential, I just don't think he was worth #1 overall
William.carter said:So tell me what scenario you can come up with where the Texans trade down to pick up extra picks and are 100% certain that they still get their man. I'm not trying to attack you or your opinion. In fact I consider your point of view in every post of yours I read, but if the Texans feel like Williams is their guy, How can they trade down and know that they will get him? NO had him #2 on their hit list and would have snatched him up in a second.
So say you trade down with the Jets to get him and you pick up both their first rounders and a 2nd or 3rd. You'd have to give both of the 1st round picks to NO to trade back up to make sure they didn't take Williams theirselves. So what's the point, moving down 1 spot for an extra 3rd round pick? In the grand scheme of things the Texans trading down could have only been a benefit to New Orleans.
phan1 said:No, it wasn't fine. Did you watch games last season? We were 32nd against the run. Larry Johnson and Shawn Alexander, while both good running backs, EMBARRASSED US ON NATIONAL TV! You can blame coaching for the lack of offensive production, but when guys are dominating you on the ground, that is simply because of the lack of talent, not schemes.
Peek and Babin are OVERRATED! Your average NFL fan has no idea who these guys are. And why would they? These guys are talked about so much yet they have done so little for us. We need Mario.
Cincinnatikid said:They have done little because of the horrible react scheme they were in. THey were not allowed to play like a OLB or DE on any other team. Fangio made them sit and wait to see what they were going to do next instead of knowing before the snap. They have much more potential than they were allowed to show.
gtexan02 said:PS: Why can people say that coaching will improve our offense, but when I say our DL will be improved by coaching, people start throwing out DSM diagnoses. Richard Smith + Kubiak + improved OL coaching would all have improved our DL regardless of additions. Loss of Capers alone would have inspired our boys
thunderkyss said:That's not entirely true..... in our 3-4, the LBs, are supposed to read the line, much like a runningback does in a zone blocking scheme. Our biggest problem, was that our down linemen didn't buy into the system, and weren't playing like they were supposed to. We weren't asking our LBs to do anything other 3-4 teams weren't doing. We were not as aggressive as we should've been, and that's why Peek and Babin don't have a gazillion sacks.
As an OSLB in a 3-4, Peeks responsibilities were to attack the line, contain the run, and at times provide coverage....... The difference, going into a 4-3, is that he'll be asked to provide pass coverage a lot less, but with his size, & experience in coverage, he gives the coaches something to work with that he might not have with other linemen.
But in a 4-3, he's going to go head's up with the Offensive tackles.... more times than not, these guys will outweigh him by 50-60 pounds. He's fast, compared to these guys, but they only need to step aroung an "arc", while he has to run all the way around them. Unless he is incredibly strong for his size, don't expect him to bullrush anyone, or swim through an offensive line, or do the Reggie White club on anyone but a tightend.
Peek is more of a big linebacker, Where Babin is more of a small DE.
LIke I've said before, He's been my favorite Linebaker of our bunch, but if anyone is the odd man out, it's him. He's the most explosive, high energy aggresive guy we've had in our 3-4..... but in a 4-3, I can think of other LBs I'd rather keep... I can think of other Linemen I'd rather keep..... I see a spot for him on this team, but I don't think it is ideal for him.
HJam72 said:Good post. I agree and I think Peek needs to be traded somehow, but Kubiak has mentioned using Williams on the inside and putting Babin/Peek at the RDE position on 3rd and long (6 or more), so who knows. Maybe Peek stays just for that and as a backup LB and Babin goes or maybe Babin stays for that and as a backup RDE and Peek goes. Babin is bigger, but Peek is faster. How fast and small do you want to be at RDE on 3rd and long? I think Mario is exactly what we need at RDE on 3rd and Long anyway myself. Mostly, I really don't think they should both stay.
thunderkyss said:when all you've got is speed, it won't be too hard to take him out of the equation. He's got to play next to Robaire Smith, and Robaire has got to dominate his position, where the tackle has to help, leaving Peek one on one with a tight end..... or working stunts....
I'm not trying to get rid of Peek, just trying to be realistic. I don't think he, or Babin will be going anywhere, I'm just saying Peek would be a star in a real 3-4, if he could be taught to play smart. We don't have a lot of players that fit the 3-4, but Antwan is definitely one who does.
Which proves my point.Cincinnatikid said:Most of the time last season Peek was one on one with the LT anyway.
I don't watch much college football. But I doubt he was playing the big athletic Tackles you see in the NFL. If he was bullrushing tackles in college, that tackle more than likely didn't make it to the NFL.Cincinnatikid said:I would also have to argue that he has some strength to do more than a simple speed rush. Its been stated he has gotten even bigger and stronger already this season. He is going to be similar in size to Freeny, so the issue is really just applying his skills to DE. Now that he may be back at DE he will be able to go back to his old moves from college. He has some strength because in college i saw use a simple bull rush and was able to pancake the Tackles, obviously they arent NFL tackles but still has the strength.
Cincinnatikid said:I do agree he would be a star in a real 3-4, but I also think he can be effective in the 4-3.
amazingandre said:Honestly there is nothing more to say than our dl SUCKED last year!!!!! We gave up more passes and td's than any other team. And as i recall we had the worse record? right? the offense may not have scored, but they didn't give up td's the defense did. Our whole d except a few players need to be dealt with. so stop *****in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and deal with MW
gtexan02 said:Please read the previous posts before posting. Our DL was possibly the worst in the league last year, yes, but a lot of that was because of injuries (GW), Motivation (TJ), and players being out of positiong (Smith, Johnson, Walker, etc). We added a stuffer in Weaver, and put Babin and Peek back at their natural position, thus CHANGING our DL, thus making it FINE. It wasnt fine last year, the topic title means it WOULD HAVE BEEN fine.