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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Only future money paid out by the team he is traded to would be on their cap. So
2017 $14 mil
2018 $19.5 mil
2019 $20.5 mil
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Tony Romo and Adrian Peterson....
If we can land both this off-season I'd be thrilled!
DeAndre Hopkins is already recruiting AP to Houston.
And J.J. Watt has talked to Tony Romo a couple times in the past few days...
The Texans are planning to have a monster off-season.
Don't ask me how it's all going to work under the salary cap, LOL.
If we can land both this off-season I'd be thrilled!
DeAndre Hopkins is already recruiting AP to Houston.
And J.J. Watt has talked to Tony Romo a couple times in the past few days...
The Texans are planning to have a monster off-season.
Don't ask me how it's all going to work under the salary cap, LOL.
Yeah it'd be kinda more like paying a premium for Sam Bradford, but you have the age and more losing experience to go with
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Favre played in all games for 17 straight seasons (1992-2009).........in his last year before retiring (2010) he played all but the last 3 games. A stark contrast to Romo.
Flux1281
Practice Squad
Romos injuries are being over blown if it was that serious no doctor would clear him to play and dallas would not have had him as Q.B number 2
think people Romo is fresh he got a year off to just chill and recoupe that week 17 game vs philly he looked real healthy like he need this year-off if he is willing to do a fair contract between him and the texans you jump at it and get to the draft looking at some OL
think people Romo is fresh he got a year off to just chill and recoupe that week 17 game vs philly he looked real healthy like he need this year-off if he is willing to do a fair contract between him and the texans you jump at it and get to the draft looking at some OL
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DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
What? Link?
Accumulation
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noun: accumulation
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"the accumulation of wealth"- a mass or quantity of something that has gradually gathered or been acquired.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Romo is a red herring. Not the answer. Over priced. Over rated. Injury prone. Nothing has changed since i told cowboys fans his season ends in december. Great fantasy football qb. Bad playoff qb.
Pass.
I wouldn't just pass on him though, not if the price were right.
We're not winning a SB with Os or Savage next year, so we need someone. And any draft pick won't be ready to produce anything meaningful for at least another full season. Doesn't leave much. Mike Glennon, Jay Cutler. Maybe a trade for Jimmy, but I don't see BB helping us out like that.
The pickins are slim. If we could get a team-friendly deal to roll the dice on Tony, with Savage at no 2 and a draft pick developing, I could get warm to that even being fully aware of the chances of him tripping and falling down into IR.
Wouldn't do cartwheels, but I wouldn't scoff either at a McCarron trade proposal.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You don't seem to understand his injuries and their implications. And an NFL team doctor will clear a player on the basis that he is able to get back on the field (in fact, sometimes we've even seen players that could almost be considered invalid still be cleared to play.....until they can't).........not that he is expected to perform at a decent level, nor that he will be able to STAY on the field and not get injured. With his salary/cap numbers, putting him on the imaginary #2 QB status is expected, if for no other reason than for window dressing and for saving face (hoping he never has to see the field again as a Cowboy). In that case, it's the #3 QB that better be ready if Prescot goes down, because Romo is all but assured to go down if not shortly thereafter, then certainly by the end of the season.
jradMIT
Veteran
Numbers don't bear that out,
Tony Romo Playoff stats
114/185 61.6% 1316 yds 8TD 2INT 7.1 Y/a 220Y/g 93 Pass Rating
Those numbers look pretty good, light years ahead of anyone on the roster now, and those are post season, his regular season are even better. There is one legitimate concern with Romo that is inury. His level of play is not overrated, 4th best all time Passer Rating, his salary won't matter after he is cut, you only sign him if it is a cap friendly incentive laden back loaded deal. Yes more than likely he will miss games in the season, but there is still a legitimate chance he can be healthy for the playoffs, even if that chance is 25%, you can win a super bowl with him at the helm and this defense. You really can't say that about any other qb on the roster right now.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Odd. You dont include super bowl appearances or play off records? Playing catch up typically pads a qb's stats.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'd be in for Mike Glennon, but I doubt we go for a FA QB given that we still have Brock to pay.
jradMIT
Veteran
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00/gamelog/post/#stats_playoffs::none
Check out for yourself, he was only involved in one blow out, and they scored 3, every other games was competitive. 3 games with 144, 114, 105 Passer rating. 2 bad games with 65, 66 passer rating. One against Minnesota the year they had Favre, one against the NYG where they lost in overtime when Dallas never got the ball, and nobody played well against that defense in the playoffs. 1 so so game in Seattle where they lost by 1 pt, the game he dropped the FG while he was holder where he had a 90 rating with 1td0INt.
So if you go into depth, he did not pad his numbers, they were only blown out in 1 game, half the games he flat out dominated. So in no way can you say he is a bad playoff qb, it is not true. He wasn't the reason they lost those games, unless you count when he was the holder, but in none of those games was his quarter backing the reason they lost. Did he make Dez drop that ball against GB a few years back? No that was probably his best playoff performance ever. So there just isn't an objective way to say he is a bad playoff QB.
Check out for yourself, he was only involved in one blow out, and they scored 3, every other games was competitive. 3 games with 144, 114, 105 Passer rating. 2 bad games with 65, 66 passer rating. One against Minnesota the year they had Favre, one against the NYG where they lost in overtime when Dallas never got the ball, and nobody played well against that defense in the playoffs. 1 so so game in Seattle where they lost by 1 pt, the game he dropped the FG while he was holder where he had a 90 rating with 1td0INt.
So if you go into depth, he did not pad his numbers, they were only blown out in 1 game, half the games he flat out dominated. So in no way can you say he is a bad playoff qb, it is not true. He wasn't the reason they lost those games, unless you count when he was the holder, but in none of those games was his quarter backing the reason they lost. Did he make Dez drop that ball against GB a few years back? No that was probably his best playoff performance ever. So there just isn't an objective way to say he is a bad playoff QB.
I tend to agree, just jogging through whatever options.
jradMIT
Veteran
Playoff Career Passer Rating
1 Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2 Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
3 Drew Brees 100.7 2001-2016 2TM
4 Aaron Rodgers 99.4 2005-2016 gnb
5 Matt Ryan 98.8 2008-2016 atl
6 Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM
7 Alex Smith 94.5 2005-2016 2TM
8 Mark Sanchez 94.3 2009-2016 nyj
9 Russell Wilson 94.1 2012-2016 sea
10 Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
11 Tony Romo 93.0 2004-2016 dal
12 Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
13 Tom Brady 88.7 2000-2016 nwe
14 Joe Flacco 88.6 2008-2016 rav
15 Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
16 Eli Manning 87.4 2004-2016 nyg
Peyton Manning 87.4 1998-2015 2TM
18 Colin Kaepernick 87.3 2011-2016 sfo
1 Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2 Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
3 Drew Brees 100.7 2001-2016 2TM
4 Aaron Rodgers 99.4 2005-2016 gnb
5 Matt Ryan 98.8 2008-2016 atl
6 Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM
7 Alex Smith 94.5 2005-2016 2TM
8 Mark Sanchez 94.3 2009-2016 nyj
9 Russell Wilson 94.1 2012-2016 sea
10 Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
11 Tony Romo 93.0 2004-2016 dal
12 Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
13 Tom Brady 88.7 2000-2016 nwe
14 Joe Flacco 88.6 2008-2016 rav
15 Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
16 Eli Manning 87.4 2004-2016 nyg
Peyton Manning 87.4 1998-2015 2TM
18 Colin Kaepernick 87.3 2011-2016 sfo
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
You mean except for pointing out his superbowl and playoff record?
I already said he's a good regular season qb. I acknowledged he's better then what we have on roster. Im not willing to say he's a post sesson messiah. He's not. To date he hasnt been a good post season qb.
jradMIT
Veteran
I am sorry I thought we were talking about football, not tennis, golf or some other individual sport. The team's record is the teams record, not Romo's. So when he put up a 144 passer rating in Green Bay on the road with Dez dropping a long pass, and they lost, that was his fault? He was the reason they didn't win? It was his bad playoff quarterbacking? That Romo and his 144, should have put up that perfect 158.3. Teams win games, not individuals. To date he has been a good post season quarterback on some bad post season teams.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Ok. I didnt want to have to do this but...
1-3 post season record. Zero sb appearances.
59.3 completion percentage. Not to mention a historically miserable hold for a kicker. How the f*ck did you decide this guy was someone to argue for in the post season?
Im not arguing he's worse than oz or savage. Im arguing to date he hasnt done squat in the playoffs. How is that arguable? I think im being trolled.
His playoff record is ...
2006 - So-so game against Seattle they lost.
2007 - Poor game against NYG they lost.
2009 - Strong game against Phil they won. Poor game against Minn they lost.
2014 - Strong game against Det they won. Good game against GB they lost.
3 plus games, 2 poor games, 1 so-so game.
So though he's had struggles, he's hardly been a bum in the postseason. And he's come on the more he's gained experience.
All in all reason to think he could be an asset, really.
2006 - So-so game against Seattle they lost.
2007 - Poor game against NYG they lost.
2009 - Strong game against Phil they won. Poor game against Minn they lost.
2014 - Strong game against Det they won. Good game against GB they lost.
3 plus games, 2 poor games, 1 so-so game.
So though he's had struggles, he's hardly been a bum in the postseason. And he's come on the more he's gained experience.
All in all reason to think he could be an asset, really.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think he'd easily be better then what we have. Thats not saying much. If he'd do it for cheap id consider it.
Top 10 qb salary? Nope.
Recite what you like or watch the games. Romo is not and has never neen a good post season qb.
He's been a good postseason QB in half of the postseason games he's played, with an upward trend to match experience. Don't know how that's supposed to count for nothing (aka never).
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
2-4 post season record. Hardly half.
jradMIT
Veteran
Its a team game, Its a team game, Its a team game. 2-4 is such a terrible argument. Being that arguably his best game in the post season came a few year back against GB he put up a 144 QB rating, and that was with Dez dropping what would have been a 40+yard pass for the win, but they lost, and somehow you put that on him, when he averaged over 10 yards an attempt?????. Does he play defense, does he block, does he run the ball? Somehow you have reduced this into a individual game when its far from it. Half of his games he has posted a 100+ Qb rating which is exceptional. Saying he is a bad playoff qb is so far off base, the cowboys are a bad playoff team, but that had little to do with Romo, they lost despite his stellar play. Look at what he has done in the post season, not the team, but him, his individual numbers in the post season are as good as anybodies, he has a higher QB rating than both mannings, and Brady, and yes he hasn't won super bowls, like the aforementioned, because they were on great teams, which unfortunately for him he hasn't had a chance to be. But it takes and entire team to win a playoff game, and even more so a SB. So trying to lay the struggles of the Cowboys at his feet is so ridiculous and grossly simplified.
I'm convinced you watch the game. And so I'm led to believe that you see all the other guys running around out there besides the quarterback that contribute in myriad ways to the outcome of play after play and series after series and so game after game. And after watching all that and seeing all that I don't know how really you can come to the conclusion that the outcome of the entire game boils down to that one man at that one position.
jradMIT
Veteran
Lets look at some game stat lines
16/27 145yds 5.4Y/a 86.2 Passer rating 1 TD/0INT
19/34 255yds 7.5Y/a 85.3 Passer rating 2TD/1INT
25/38 247yds 6.5 y/a 82.1 Passer rating 1TD/1INT
17/29 189yds 6.5 Y/a 89.6 passer rating 1TD/0Int
Which one of these stands out against the others? I'll give you some clues, one of them is a below average playoff game for Romo, the other 3 are the stat lines from 3 super bowl MVP's in the big game.
16/27 145yds 5.4Y/a 86.2 Passer rating 1 TD/0INT
19/34 255yds 7.5Y/a 85.3 Passer rating 2TD/1INT
25/38 247yds 6.5 y/a 82.1 Passer rating 1TD/1INT
17/29 189yds 6.5 Y/a 89.6 passer rating 1TD/0Int
Which one of these stands out against the others? I'll give you some clues, one of them is a below average playoff game for Romo, the other 3 are the stat lines from 3 super bowl MVP's in the big game.
jradMIT
Veteran
Here are some stat lines all from games Tom Brady "won"
27/51 280 yds 2/3 TD/INT 57.6 Passer Rating 2006 W24-21 @SDG
22/33 209 yds 2/3 TD/INT 66.4 Passer Rating 2007 W21-12 SDG at home
22/36 239 yds 0/2 TD/INT 57.5 Passer Rating 2011 W23-20 BAL at home
13/25 198 yds 0/0 TD/INT 78.4 Passer Rating 2014 W43-22 IND at home
18/38 287 yds 2/2 TD/INT 68.6 Passer Rating 2017 W34-16 Hou at Home
When Brady has bad games his team can pick him up. Brady in his 33 starts in the playoffs has posted a sub 80 passer rating a whopping 13 times ~40%. They were 8-5 in those games. Put that in perspective, they still win even when he has a bad game more often then not because they are great teams. When Romo doesn't go off the Cowboys have little to no chance at winning, big difference.
27/51 280 yds 2/3 TD/INT 57.6 Passer Rating 2006 W24-21 @SDG
22/33 209 yds 2/3 TD/INT 66.4 Passer Rating 2007 W21-12 SDG at home
22/36 239 yds 0/2 TD/INT 57.5 Passer Rating 2011 W23-20 BAL at home
13/25 198 yds 0/0 TD/INT 78.4 Passer Rating 2014 W43-22 IND at home
18/38 287 yds 2/2 TD/INT 68.6 Passer Rating 2017 W34-16 Hou at Home
When Brady has bad games his team can pick him up. Brady in his 33 starts in the playoffs has posted a sub 80 passer rating a whopping 13 times ~40%. They were 8-5 in those games. Put that in perspective, they still win even when he has a bad game more often then not because they are great teams. When Romo doesn't go off the Cowboys have little to no chance at winning, big difference.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's a team game alright. In that GB game, he was nowhere as spectacular as what his passer rating alone made him look. That 40+ yd pass that wasn't would have matched ~1/4 of his passing yds production for the whole game as he only managed 190. He was sacked 4 times, 3 of which because he was holding on to the ball too long running around in circles. Not to mention the 2 fumbles which the Cowboys were fortunate enough to recover.
OK I see. Well don't give up too much for him if they do. I heard so nb e people on FB saying JJ Watt for Romo and couldn't contain my laughter...
Would we be able to cut him after the season without owing him if things don't go well?
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That should work out as well as AJ recruiting Ed Reed.........
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Flux1281
Practice Squad
if post season is all that matter on how good a Q.b is then M.Sanchez should be your Q.b he 4-2, before this season Matt ryan was 1-4, C. Plamer got his first playoff win last year all better Q.B than butt fumble, but worse playoff records how interesting.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
If Romo comes out and says 'Houston is where I see the best shot' you pull the damn trigger and don't think twice.
Beggars can't be choosers, plus the guy is a gamer, getting **** on for sacrificing his body, but no one mentions the game he came back to win with a punctured lung, why not?
Look at the film and stop trying to be a fortune teller.
Beggars can't be choosers, plus the guy is a gamer, getting **** on for sacrificing his body, but no one mentions the game he came back to win with a punctured lung, why not?
Look at the film and stop trying to be a fortune teller.
According to this, we should sign Mark Sanchez and his 94.3 rating. Or bring HOFer Kurt Warner out of retirement.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Romo would be an instant and major upgrade over anything we have on the roster right now, but he will break the bank on any other major moves unless we cut some expensive vets.
Could be an very interesting off season for us.
jradMIT
Veteran
Mark Sanchez actually played well in the playoffs when he was with jets, his play in the regular season on the other hand. You can say a lot bad things about Sanchez, but it would not include his post season numbers. In fact if he played in the regular season like he did in the post, he'd be a franchise qb.
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jradMIT
Veteran
It depends on his mindset, if he wants another pay day or if he's thinking about his legacy, winning a title, answering his critics, showing up Dallas. If it's not all about the money he could be signed with a small cap hit in the first year ~4-5M and still get a decent amount of guaranteed money with incentives down the road, you could offer a 4 year deal with 15M guaranteed with incentives and bonuses in years 2-4, his cap hit in year 1 would only be 4-5M. If he really wants to win it might not even take that much, because this or Denver is his best option.
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FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Well if the Texans are interested, and I've seen nothing but speculation that they are, then there would be no bigger selling point to Romo than the "come make that other Texas team a success, that will piss Jerah off".
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Are we looking to sign sanchez or romo?
And you guys are right, the nfl is a team game. Romo didnt lose them all by himself. He also didnt win them either like brady.
Honestly, i feel like im arguing water is wet. The point isnt romo is worse then any qb we have. The point isnt should we sign him if he wants to take a discount.
The point is exclusively one thing =
Romo is not good in the playoffs.
He folds like an origami swan. If your debating that you haven't watched him in the playoffs. Couple that with his salary and his injury history and i pass - unless he's willing to take something just over weeden's salary.
Max
Veteran
jradMIT
Veteran
The statement that Romo is not good in the playoffs just isn't true, he's been a decent to good qb in the playoffs, check his game log. Objectively speaking he's played as good as many super bowl winning qbs. This keep going back to the fact the team lost. If Romo isn't the placeholder (and God only knows why he was) his team record would be 3-3. 8 TD-2INT with a 93 rating. You have to twist an argument into a pretzel to equate that with bad or below average.
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Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I believe so. That divisional round game at Foxborough was begging us to win. Certainly it was there for the taking, and we had quite a few offensive possessions with a chance to take the lead in that game! One good offensive drive could have made us all believe in a sweet upset.
Tom Brady looked average for most of the game and they turned the ball over multiple times (fumbles and Brady INTs). But our offense looked lost most of the game. Osweiler was Osweiler... Just a shame really.
Good quarterback play wins us that game. As it was we were trailing 24-16 early in the fourth quarter but even down one score it still felt like the game was over without a good quarterback. Although our receivers dropped some passes that were well thrown, including the Will Fuller dropped Touchdown pass which could have been a huge momentum changer.
That's almost as bad as believing reported speculation to be fact.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Not that I agree or disagree, but Tony Romo can make some fine throws down the field. Plays that Osweiler quite frankly hasn't been able to make consistently. Osweiler has very erratic accuracy. An aging Romo can still sling the pigskin down the field with some pinpoint accuracy. That's all we really need to make a Super Bowl run. A quarterback with good enough accuracy. With J.J. Watt coming back healthy our defense is going to dominate in 2017.
That's like saying the Falcons would have won had they converted a two point conversion on their last score.
Two sides to that coin. Romo was known for throwing interceptions at exactly the wrong time before he was known as "elite."
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Not really. Because without a good quarterback you're never confident that you can win a big playoff game in which you're team is 16.5-point underdogs on the road. Or whatever impossible odds it was. And yet, good quarterback play likely has us in a good position to beat the Patriots at Foxborough. One score game early in the fourth quarter despite all of our offensive struggles.
The Falcons have the league MVP at quarterback, were slight underdogs in a game they led 28-3 in the third quarterback. 25 points! They choked, IMO. Baby Shanny sucked it up with his playcalling, saying after the game he wanted to stay aggressive. Such BS! Just win the Super Bowl at that point. Win a damn ring!!! Running the ball only five times after that. It allowed Tom Brady to do what he does. The Falcons didn't have to be in that position. Kick a field goal on that one drive late, instead of punting after a costly sack and that's likely still a win after blowing the big lead.
Our situation was completely different, IMO.
Busy at the grocery store now. Shopping and on my smartphone...
Tried to fix up any typos. I'm on the move now doing three things at once.
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