So now you know all their salaries?
Let me say he would bring in a proven winner as GM. You usually have to pay top $$$$ for those type of guys.
McCloughin come to mind.
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So now you know all their salaries?
If he wants to win so bad why doesn't he spend top $$$$ to get the best GM/Scouts possible to help him achieve this goal?
Agreed about Cal, (Very scary if you care) Seems like dad bought his son a cash cow toy to play with.
Generally speaking I agree with your assessment of rick smith. We have a better then average 1st round pick history. A few undrafted free agent acquisitions we nailed. Our 2nd round to 4th round draft history is absolutely atrocious.
I searched rick Smith's salary surfing 5-6 articles and never did get a number. Do you have a link suggesting we spend less on a gm or scouts?
I thought that I read back on 2002 McNair was going to pay scouts fairly well. Compared to the overall league Not sure why that stuck on my mind but not sure how the Texans rank now with scout salary
You cant win a championship with a GM with that type of draft/FA record.
If he wants to win so bad why doesn't he spend top $$$$ to get the best GM/Scouts possible to help him achieve this goal?
Agreed about Cal, (Very scary if you care) Seems like dad bought his son a cash cow toy to play with.
Hey why did this get moved? That's some bs!Hope this isn't gwan be considered a "troll" because it ain't n i just wanted income right 2 the source n find out 4 my fellow fans from the best ppl to hear it from, u guys, best NFL fans in the internet.
Bears r gwan fire John Fox after the last game of the season and now I'm hearing u guys might can Obrain, so logically bears fans want to get bill to replace fox. Is that a good idea?
Heard he is good with offense and QB, and that's exactly what we need up here so that' a plus, but then agains, u guys have a lot more talent then us bears so ppl r saying bill o b isn't doing CHIT with that calibre of talent.
So give me truth and honesty, a lot of fans would b interesting to know what ur take is.
Thx
Hey why did this get moved? That's some bs!
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - When this broken season is finally over, Bill O'Brien will have recorded one playoff victory during his four years coaching the Texans.
When this backward season is finished, general manager Rick Smith will have engineered six above .500 campaigns since he arrived on Kirby Drive back in June 2006 and still only have three postseason wins to his name.
The owner of it all? Bob McNair's Texans enter a meaningless Sunday against the AFC South-leading Jaguars losers of seven of their last nine and at 4-9 overall, which is the third-worst record in the AFC and tied for 28th out of 32 teams in the league in 2017.
Is it piling on to point out that Houston's football team is 110-143 all-time and still hasn't been past the divisional round of the playoffs since its 2002 inception?
Nope. Those are just indisputable facts.
And the above numbers should be at the core of McNair's upcoming offseason decisions.
Why accept the status quo?
Why reward annual mediocrity - or much worse?
How badly does McNair really want to win, 16 years into owning the Texans?........
With Texans coach Bill O'Brien about to enter the final season of his contract, and the Texans struggling down the stretch, numerous sources close to he and general manager Rick Smith believe a split is imminent. The relationship between the men has long been complicated, and many close to the situation believe change is on the horizon.
O'Brien has won two division titles and would normally be in line for a lucrative contract extension, but it's far from certain the Texans would extend the kind of lucrative offer he could draw on the open market.......
.....The Texans, meantime, would boast one of the most attractive coaching jobs in the NFL, with stars on both sides of the ball and Watson playing at an All-Pro level prior to his injury. Even the biggest of big fishes like Jon Gruden, Jim Harbaugh or David Shaw might be inclined to at least consider a job that attractive......
Hope this isn't gwan be considered a "troll" because it ain't n i just wanted income right 2 the source n find out 4 my fellow fans from the best ppl to hear it from, u guys, best NFL fans in the internet.
Bears r gwan fire John Fox after the last game of the season and now I'm hearing u guys might can Obrain, so logically bears fans want to get bill to replace fox. Is that a good idea?
Heard he is good with offense and QB, and that's exactly what we need up here so that' a plus, but then agains, u guys have a lot more talent then us bears so ppl r saying bill o b isn't doing CHIT with that calibre of talent.
So give me truth and honesty, a lot of fans would b interesting to know what ur take is.
Thx
Thx,If the Pace can get BOB the talent he needs then the Bears will be challenging the Vikings/Packers in a couple of yrs.
How does that fall directly on him when the coach, scouting team and Coach look at firm on these players. If they do not fit their scheme, they are not being brought in. Another thing what top offensive linemen was actually available these last two years? Realistically who?
Dion Dawkins is looking pretty good at LT for the Bills this season.
Jason Spriggs
Just off of the top of my head.
Thx,
So why is he getting fired? I thought he done good even with CHIT qbs?
And we had a realistic chance at getting them? And at what cost?
And how do you know if they would'v fit our scheme?
Coach Doug Pederson tried to put as positive a spin as possible on the situation at his news conference Monday. Asked if his team can overcome this, he didn’t hesitate.
“It sure can, heck yeah,” Pederson said. “We overcame [losing] a Pro Bowl left tackle. We overcame our middle linebacker. We overcame our running back. We’ve overcome a core special-teams player this year. This is no different.
"But you know what, the reason we went out and got Nick Foles was for reasons like this and situations like this."
In response to the argument that O'Brien should get a pass this season due to player injuries, I'll refer to what Eagles coach Doug Pederson told the press after receiving confirmation that Carson Wentz tore his ACL:
Link
So Houston lost Deshaun Watson? The Eagles scored 34 points today without Wentz.
We didn't have Duane Brown this season? The Eagles lost their LT too.
We lost Watt? Our defense was dominant last year without him.
Rick Smith deserves criticism for his neglect of the O-line, but O'Brien's faults have manifested in recurring patterns every season and are not going to change. Bringing him back in 2018 for a lame duck season delays the inevitable. If Rick Smith is part of the problem, that should be dealt with later, but black Monday is a week away and we need to initiate the new head coach acquisition.
Most of the picks traded were mid round that woulda been blown anywhoAll the trading away of picks and free agent overpays finally came to haunt the Texans
Not sure what you are saying hereIt would be entirely predicable by a smart front office
BTW, I want to go on record right now in predicting that O'Brien is fired January 2nd, and Crennel is named HC on January 3rd.
Is that what you want to happen or just your prediction?
Either way, Crennel currently sits as the Assistant Head Coach. That said, I don't know why McNair should fire O'Brien for this disaster of a season and promote OB's right hand man. If he does that...I wouldn't know what to say. It would be such a nonsensical decision that yeah, now I see it. Yeah, that is something McNair would do.
The cure for ODS (O'Brien Derangement Syndrome):
Fire O'Brien and bring in Jeff Fisher as HC.
Anyway, the Texans all time record is 110-143. Given that historical fact, whoever is brought in to replace OB, McNair will ensure that that HC will either be inexperienced and/or a yes man and/or a buffoon who will parrot the same lines during a press conference. Something to the affect of "it's on me" or "I need to coach better". In the end the Texans will only be replacing signature lines. Stability and familiarity be damned with the players be damned, O'Brien will be fired.
The end.
Well you've pretty much condemned any potential HC. Is anyone acceptable? It was this really just a source grapes on anything McNair chooses post?
I have no idea what's gonna happen, but I appreciate your candor B_C. No equivocating with you man, you couldn't be much more specific. Oh but wait, who's gonna be the Texzans GM in 2018 ?BTW, I want to go on record right now in predicting that O'Brien is fired January 2nd, and Crennel is named HC on January 3rd.
So if I read you correctly, are you are saying that Watsons steller performance in 2017 was a fluke ?(Put this in the game day thread and it should have gone here):
Some folks are fooling themselves that what they saw with Watson/OB for 6 games would be what you'd see long term. You wouldn't. What you saw was an emergency scramble for a college playbook (or more accurately turning to those pages in E-P which had been virtually ripped out) because of ill preparation due to epic bad judgment. With time and the opportunity to coach Watson up in "the system" things would most likely change/revert.
Watson should work with a coach who from day one sees him as an asset to be honed & built around not a problem to be molded.
(Put this in the game day thread and it should have gone here):
Some folks are fooling themselves that what they saw with Watson/OB for 6 games would be what you'd see long term. You wouldn't. What you saw was an emergency scramble for a college playbook (or more accurately turning to those pages in E-P which had been virtually ripped out) because of ill preparation due to epic bad judgment. With time and the opportunity to coach Watson up in "the system" things would most likely change/revert.
Watson should work with a coach who from day one sees him as an asset to be honed & built around not a problem to be molded.
So if I read you correctly, are you are saying that Watsons steller performance in 2017 was a fluke ?
This is your belief and we will never know.
Until they make changes to the Executive Management team, yes, I'll condemn any HC to at best mediocrity. Replace Smith and bring in a separate Executive VP of Football Ops. Let the new GM and VP of Football Ops find a new HC, if that's what they feel will move this team forward.
I don't dislike McNair even though I thought he made a mistake in his phrasing at the owners meeting that led to the leak about inmates, possibly tarnishing the image of the Texans org. But I know he wants a winner here. He has pride and yesterday, I'm sure, embarrassed the hell out of him. I don't dislike Smith as a person, the record since he's been here has basically been average. Depth is a problem, he botched the o-line situation...badly.
IMHO, changes to the Management team need to occur (early 2018) before O'Brien is fired.
But this is all fantasy on my part. O'Brien will be fired and Smith will be the Executive VP of Football Operations and GM long after O'Brien has retired from football.
I disagree with McNair wants to win. Sure he wants to win but that's not what's most important to him or he would have cleaned house in 2010.
One thing not touched on (I don't think) in this thread is O'Brien may force McNair's hand. He may want out of here and the fastest track to that is demanding a contract extension. Jason La Confora wrote that "the relationship between the men [GM Rick Smith and HC Bill O'Brien] has long been complicated". That doesn't sound right to me and one in which O'Brien wouldn't be comfortable with. I once worked as a Supply Chain Quality Engineering Manager. That would be like me having a complicated relationship with the Supply Chain Manager. There was no ambiguity within our working partnership. We understood our roles. It was made very clear. Of course the SCM wasn't best friends with our bosses son either.
How would bringing in a new HC change that "complicated relationship with the GM"? Does it matter?
Great proof given they went on to win the next 2 years (and had the prior).
So Watson is so good, even in the first few weeks of his NFL career, he was able to overcome a dud of a HC and excel on the field. Well I like that better, that's encouraging.You read that backwards. Watson's excellence gave OB a fluke mirage of competency.
Until they make changes to the Executive Management team, yes, I'll condemn any HC to at best mediocrity. Replace Smith and bring in a separate Executive VP of Football Ops. Let the new GM and VP of Football Ops find a new HC, if that's what they feel will move this team forward.
I don't dislike McNair even though I thought he made a mistake in his phrasing at the owners meeting that led to the leak about inmates, possibly tarnishing the image of the Texans org. But I know he wants a winner here. He has pride and yesterday, I'm sure, embarrassed the hell out of him. I don't dislike Smith as a person, the record since he's been here has basically been average. Depth is a problem, he botched the o-line situation...badly.
IMHO, changes to the Management team need to occur (early 2018) before O'Brien is fired.
But this is all fantasy on my part. O'Brien will be fired and Smith will be the Executive VP of Football Operations and GM long after O'Brien has retired from football.
So Watson is so good, even in the first few weeks of his NFL career, he was able to overcome a dud of a HC and excel on the field. Well I like that better, that's encouraging.
Not going to relive the past, but we have very different definitions of the term winner.
It's not a subjective issue. 10-6 & 12-4 are winning seasons.
a late 2nd rd pick and Ricky chose Cunningham over Dawkins. Dawkins would be the best OL on this team. Big/athletic/plays with a meanstreak. Many in the draft section wanted Dawkins in the 1st rd.
BTW, both of the guys I listed can play in any scheme. IMHO
I cant believe you're using the scheme thing as a way to justify Ricky not picking talented Ol men.
Man please. These players have fit our scheme 1st. 2nd coaching will have to coach them up. This is an area that we have failed miserably since Bill O'Brien has been here. 3rdly we needed a cover type LB who will eventually replace Cushing.
Again for the thousandth time Rick wasn't the only one would selected what players they wanted in the draft. Bill O'Brien is on record saying it's a collaborative decision between all parties.
But hey this is just another one of your ways to put everything on Rick Smith.
(Put this in the game day thread but it should have gone here):
Some folks are fooling themselves that what they saw with Watson/OB for 6 games would be what you'd see long term. You wouldn't. What you saw was an emergency scramble for a college playbook (or more accurately turning to those pages in E-P which had been virtually ripped out) because of ill preparation due to epic bad judgment. With time and the opportunity to coach Watson up in "the system" things would most likely change/revert.
Watson should work with a coach who from day one sees him as an asset to be honed & built around not a problem to be molded.