I do think Quin was overrated by some as well.
He was a good player, but I don't think he's worth $4-5M a year.
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I do think Quin was overrated by some as well.
He was a good player, but I don't think he's worth $4-5M a year.
BullBlitz
Section 331
I'm not convinced that the defense will be "pretty bad", but I believe it will take a big step back from last year.
Positives - Watt and Smith can hold their own. The corners are solid with KJ and JJ. And Manning is strong.
Negatives - Mitchell at NG in a 3/4. Cushing's actual recovery. Reed, Mercilus and Sharpton as the rest of the LB corps. Replacing Quin.
Double team Watt and average teams will be able to run against us.
drs23
Veteran
Really?! JJ was doubled, tripled, chipped and schemed against all season and was still the DPOY as well as being in the conversation as overall POY. So, now all the opposition has to do is double team him for "average teams" to run against us?
Where is your logic here? I'm not seeing it.
BullBlitz
Section 331
My implication was that if our opponents do what they can to contain Watt as best as possible like they did last year with minimal success, the remaining 10 players on our defense this season don't look as good as the remaining 10 did last year. They ran on us last year fairly well despite Watt so I expect more of the same.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Mainly without Cushing that is, other than that what did Barwin really do last season ? He wasnt that good, Merciuls in his limited time actually played better than barwin. So we get Cush back, Mercilus will be in a lot more. We have Manning and DJ, i actually see our D being just as good if not better.
BullBlitz
Section 331
The good news is that the season is close, so we will soon find out. I hope you are right.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
First off, we were 7th against the run last year, 10th if you want to look at ypc. So most teams did not run on us "fairly well" last year. We had some issues with our OLBs, ILBs, and NT last year not playing up to what we would have liked. I think we're going to see improved play from both the NT and ILB spots this year and I think our OLB rotation got more athletic.
I don't know if we're going to improve much from last year but I don't expect to get a lot worse, either.
The Packers & Patriots found a way to minimize Jj Watt. The Patriots did it twice. The blue print is out there, I agree with you, that more teams will copy that blue print.....
It's the same for Kaepernick, Wilson, & RG3. Teams will figure them out.
It's possible that Watt can be like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lot, Deion Sanders..... & he finds a way to produce at an elite level regardless. But those guys are rare & I haven't seen one on the defense side of the ball in a long, long time.
Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher...... maybe?
So you & John McClain think alike? You should be proud.
BullBlitz
Section 331
Just to be clear, I do believe that Watt is special, and will be one of those guys who can personally make a difference despite being double-teamed or strategically planned for. Definitely one of the best football players in the NFL.
I just don't believe that his 10 remaining defensive teammates are going to be any better than just OK. Not bad, but not great. So I think that decent offenses will have a chance to score 17-24 points on us. Our offense just has to deliver.
BullBlitz
Section 331
That's nothing new.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Not every team has the tools, talent and QB to follow that blue print. And Didnt Watt get to Rogers twice ? and he hit brady like 5 times in the first meeting, would be more worried about the LBs and CBs in coverage than the ability of JJ Watt in those games.
People think he's a Colts fan. I'm unsure. I think he's a Texans fan who just really hates Schaub. He likes the Colts as opposed to the Texans because they had Peyton, then got Luck.. "looks" like they are doing everything right, while we waste our time with Schaub.
PapaL
Loose Screw
This is my mind set as well. I realize its PreSeason but DJ looks legit! Will he make mistakes? No doubt. What he will need to know to decipher what he sees and react to it. That is taught in the film room.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Hmm, the Packers minimized him to 2 sacks, 5 tackles and 1 assist. The Patriots did a better job on him, holding him to .5 sacks, 3 tackles, 5 assists and 1 forced fumble.
Can't say it's much of a blueprint, but if teams want to use it...go for it.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Just to give some context to this...
17 points per game over an entire season comes to 272 points total. Last year, only 1 defense did better than that: the Seahawks who gave up 15 points per game. We gave up 20 points per game and we were ranked 10th in the league.
24 points per game over an entire season comes to 384 points total. Last year, that would have been good enough for 20th and better than the Colts, Cowboys, Redskins, Jaguars, and Titans... among others.
Our defense was doing pretty good, keeping most opponents under 20 points, until the last several games of the season. I think our issues at ILB were just too much by that point and people started taking advantage of us. If we can keep Cush upright and playing fierce, I think we can improve our points allowed per game.
If we can do that, we're going to be tough to beat.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Especially the Pats. Our ILBs were getting abused in the passing game. They knew it was our weakest link and attacked the heck out of it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Interesting in that incentives are categorized as either "Likely to be Earned" (LTBE) or "Not Likely to be Earned" (NLTBE). Their names are pretty self explanatory. LTBE incentives count towards the cap while NLTBE incentives do not. But the way it goes is that if the player achieves those NLTBE incentives then they count toward the following year's cap. So how would you really categorize Reed's incentive??
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Like Reed already said, if the Super Bowl were today he'd be playing. If Reed plays second half/playoffs for us that is a BIG win for me, especially as Swearinger gets better as the season goes on and it all comes together in time for stretch run.
Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Reed missed the pre season last year too.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Interesting in that incentives are categorized as either "Likely to be Earned" (LTBE) or "Not Likely to be Earned" (NLTBE). Their names are pretty self explanatory. LTBE incentives count towards the cap while NLTBE incentives do not. But the way it goes is that if the player achieves those NLTBE incentives then they count toward the following year's cap. So how would you really categorize Reed's incentive??
Here's the CBA language on incentives being "Likely" or "Not Likely":
The bolded part is what drives the determination. Ed Reed played all 16 regular season games for the Ravens last season, therefore, the entire $1 Million is considered "Likely to be earned". Should he miss any games in the 2013 regular season, the Texans will be credited $62,500 against the 2014 salary cap for each game missed (Assuming of course that Schefter's info is correct).
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PapaL
Loose Screw
It's backfiring because he hasn't played in the Preseason?
I'm not concerned at all. My gut says he's starting week 3 but hypothetically if he's PUP'd and returns for the KC game I'm still cool with that. The games in Dec-Feb are what we brought him in for.
nero THE zero
All Pro
Me too.
Billick was on MAD Radio yesterday and definitively, without hesitation said Reed will be there week 1 (unless there is something he doesn't know).
Said Reed's a veteran who takes care of his body, etc, etc; essentially, Reed is sitting out all of the unnecessary (for him) training camp/preseason stuff to get healthy to play the season.
Blake
MMQB
Who gives a ****. We didnt sign Ed Reed to help us beat Rivers and Locker. We got Ed Reed to help us beat Brady and Manning. We need him to play the last 8 games, not the first 8. And even if he is done for his career worst case scenario is that he gets his 6 million this year and is on his merry way.
I believe this is what accomplished vets do, so I'm not too worried about it.
At the same time, this is the same thing I said about Ahman Green. His body's a temple, yadda, yadda, yadda. What I did not expect was for his game performance to have dropped so much. I'm not expecting Ed Reed to be All-Pro form, but if he turns out to be a liability..... damn.
eriadoc
Texan-American
If Ed Reed were with the team, joking around on the sidelines, and participating in all ways that don't involve hitting, I might be inclined to agree with some of you. As it is, he's off visiting docs and showing no real signs of improvement. Hell, we got a statement the other day that he might be "just ahead of schedule", but there was no schedule established.
You people believe that this is Ed being Ed all you want. Father Time waits for no man. Reed's old, he's seriously injured, and old bodies don't heal like young bodies. It was a bad signing. Would rather have paid Glover Quin the same damn money and be sitting with Manning and Quin as starters at safety right now than be thinking about Keo or Pleasant as starters.
You people believe that this is Ed being Ed all you want. Father Time waits for no man. Reed's old, he's seriously injured, and old bodies don't heal like young bodies. It was a bad signing. Would rather have paid Glover Quin the same damn money and be sitting with Manning and Quin as starters at safety right now than be thinking about Keo or Pleasant as starters.
texanhead08
All Pro
At this point I will be surprised if he ever plays a game for us.
speedfreek
All Pro
What a mess this is.
For some reason, I just can't shake the feeling that this
guy tried to pull a fast one and knowingly hid a serious
injury..
TJ
For some reason, I just can't shake the feeling that this
guy tried to pull a fast one and knowingly hid a serious
injury..
TJ
If he did pull a fast one it's the Texans that should have known...
Blake
MMQB
Agreed. I liked Glover. Seemed like a solid player back there, but not a game changer. I firmly believe that Swearinger can come up and play the run as good or better than Glover right now. Not to mention that Glover would be on the books for another 4 years while we are trying to find money for Cushing and Watt while Reed can be wiped from the books.
eriadoc
Texan-American
If you want to hire Ed Reed as a coach, do it. Hiring him as a player was a bad move.
You keep the best players. At this stage of their respective careers, Quin is better than Reed. He was marginally better than him last year and he's way better than an injured Ed Reed that never suits up. Swapping Quin for Reed did not make the football team better. I'm a fan of Swearinger, wanted him on draft day, but Manning, Quin, and Swearinger looks a helluva lot better to me than Manning, Keo, and Swearinger, with Reed sitting on IR.
I dunno, I guess I'm crazy like that.
Hmm. I certainly saw him at training camp and he came out of the tunnel w/ Andre against the Fins. "Off visiting docs" isn't always a bad thing. I don't expect him week one and won't be worried until after week 4.
Blake
MMQB
Yeah you and your crazy ideas about keeping the best players! You loco!
What are your thoghts on keeping money available for next year and Cushing/Watt signings? Reed can be off the books after this year. Quin would be on for another 4 years at a vets 2nd contract price.
What upsets me more than anything, is that wherever he is, I bet he's wearing purple.
6 in one hand.....
If we didn't make this move, we wouldn't have picked up Dj Swearinger & I like Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo, better than I like Manning, Quin, Keo, Pleasant on game day.
Yeah, if you truly believe that, you're crazy.
If it turns out that Reed doesn't play for us, then yeah, the FO should have listened to you. But where we are right now, the back half is better off the way it is now.
& I love Quin. He'll most likely be voted to the pro bowl this year, imo. But he's a different player. Quin, Manning, & Swearinger are all the same player, we needed to get away from that & add a player like Reed.
Yeah you and your crazy ideas about keeping the best players! You loco!
What are your thoghts on keeping money available for next year and Cushing/Watt signings? Reed can be off the books after this year. Quin would be on for another 4 years at a vets 2nd contract price.
This is silly. Has nothing to do with nothing. If they wanted to keep Quin, they could have & sign Cushing & sign Watt. If they want to, they'll find a way, they always do.
Blake
MMQB
My bad. I forgot the Texans have unlimited cap money.
They've got someone who knows how to manage the cap.
dc_txtech
All Pro
Who decided to let Quinn walk...
Blake
MMQB
You just got done telling me that the Texans could sign Quin, Watt and Cushing if they wanted to. Then that they have someone who knows how to manage the cap when sometimes managing the cap means not signing a Glover Quin for 5 years 23 million.
I am not saying they HAD to pass on Quin to get Cushing and Watt, but that it might be a good idea when you are going after guys that are going to command alot of money. But I guess that is "silly" to you.