Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
Oh, yeah.. look David. I realized you still have not gotten the help we keep telling that is comming; and drafted for the defence. But could you give up some of the hazzarded duty pay we give you. Look at it this way, we keep changing, and were sure that Vinney will come up with the big bucks for you. Along with a new offence planed for next year.
Cowboy, and that says it all. Read your own posts about our line.. Now you say it's all that, all I can gleem from your posts is Houston isn't as good as Dallas. And by the way... VY. lasted over 6 games in the NFL. The only good thing about Dallas is I-45 headed South.
Cowboy, and that says it all. Read your own posts about our line.. Now you say it's all that, all I can gleem from your posts is Houston isn't as good as Dallas. And by the way... VY. lasted over 6 games in the NFL. The only good thing about Dallas is I-45 headed South.
Why can't they do what the Jets did with Pennington? Tell him to restructure or he is cut. Make the contract incentive based and have him earn his money.
Help? The team added two former Pro Bowlers at receiver and center, signed a legit #3 receiver (Walter) and a pass catching tight end (Putzier). We also drafted two tackles in the third round and a tight end who turned out to be better than Putzier.
DC will never have 10 Pro Bowlers to help him on offense. Why can't he be successful with the talent he has, like Romo and Leinert, who have both been able to do more with less than DC has, and with less NFL experience to boot?
Gee Nat.. good you pointed out that there are fewers sacks. Not tell that to the Carr haters that complain about the short dump-offs. It's because the pass protection is so much better. Boy, some how you, and your pals got everything blame on David even if you fall all over yourselfs. Now the improvement is due to Kubs game plan.. that is the direction were headed. Carr is the QB.. not the head coach.
I think it'd be better for both sides to start fresh next year, the cap hit be damned. Having said that, if Carr is going to come back, I'd much rather he get paid a lot less than he is, or at least earn the money through incentives that he reached.
I doubt this would happen. I suspect Carr's pride would prevent him from accepting a pay cut. Even if he did accept it, you just know all the Carr apologists would blame the team for his poor performance in 2007--i.e., the team's lack of confidence in Carr caused David to lose confidence in himself and therefore play badly.
Just a thought, who has first hand knowledge of the fact that the "team" has lost confidence in him? That is not what I hear them saying at all. They, the team, have the inside scoop and they know what is going on. Ours is just speculation. Most overrated in my opinion.
Nope.. I didn't think you could think also. Your claming something is wrong with Carr.. duh, not me. Life is fine for me and I like the small improvement that is being shown. I just hope this is the foundation of what's to come. OH, and by the way.. to answere you PM. Yes I bet the game, didn't take the pts. Took the money line @ +135. Also looking forward to cashing on the over 5.5 wins for the Texans.
I just read in Jerome Solomon's blog that Carr has received $35 million of Bob McNair's money.
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2006/12/giving_david_carr_some_muchnee_1.html
Amazing. If the team were to cut Carr, I wonder how much another NFL team would be willing to pay him if he cleared waivers and became a free agent. Certainly nowhere near the $6+ million salary he is scheduled to receive in each of 2007 and 2008.
Right now, he's being paid so much more than his true market value it's not even funny.
I just read in Jerome Solomon's blog that Carr has received $35 million of Bob McNair's money.
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2006/12/giving_david_carr_some_muchnee_1.html
Amazing. If the team were to cut Carr, I wonder how much another NFL team would be willing to pay him if he cleared waivers and became a free agent. Certainly nowhere near the $6+ million salary he is scheduled to receive in each of 2007 and 2008.
Right now, he's being paid so much more than his true market value it's not even funny.
Welcome to the club. Some of us have been noticing this for a while now. I remember saying things like "he's getting paid like a top 10 QB .
Welcome to the club. Some of us have been noticing this for a while now. I remember saying things like "he's getting paid like a top 10 QB - he needs to start playing like one" during the '04 offseason before his base balooned in '05 (said that along with "we need a better o-line").
The basic breakdown of his earnings are:
Original signing bonus (April 2002): $10.92 million
Option bonus (March 2003): $3.08 million
Option bonus (March 2006): $8 million
Base salary: $1.04 million (2002); $550,000 (2003); $660,000 (2004); $5.5 million (2005); $5.25 million (2006).
If you do the math, that's exactly $35 million in actual earnings since he's been here - and that doesn't include incentives that we don't know about.
The Texans have thrown around a lot of stupid money over the years. They paid $31 million in signing bonuses to Gary Walker, Robaire Smith and Todd Wade a few years ago. How's that working out?
Don't get me started.
Help? The team added two former Pro Bowlers at receiver and center, signed a legit #3 receiver (Walter) and a pass catching tight end (Putzier). We also drafted two tackles in the third round and a tight end who turned out to be better than Putzier.
DC will never have 10 Pro Bowlers to help him on offense. Why can't he be successful with the talent he has, like Romo and Leinert, who have both been able to do more with less than DC has, and with less NFL experience to boot?
Welcome to the club. Some of us have been noticing this for a while now. I remember saying things like "he's getting paid like a top 10 QB - he needs to start playing like one" during the '04 offseason before his base balooned in '05 (said that along with "we need a better o-line").
The basic breakdown of his earnings are:
Original signing bonus (April 2002): $10.92 million
Option bonus (March 2003): $3.08 million
Option bonus (March 2006): $8 million
Base salary: $1.04 million (2002); $550,000 (2003); $660,000 (2004); $5.5 million (2005); $5.25 million (2006).
If you do the math, that's exactly $35 million in actual earnings since he's been here - and that doesn't include incentives that we don't know about.
The Texans have thrown around a lot of stupid money over the years. They paid $31 million in signing bonuses to Gary Walker, Robaire Smith and Todd Wade a few years ago. How's that working out?
Don't get me started.
I get a kick out of some posters arguing that because Carr counts so much against the cap, we need to keep him, because spending the money to bring in another QB would prevent the team from filling other needs. Apparently, those people (1) don't understand the concept of sunk costs and (2) the fact that QB is a need the team has to fill--and paying David $6+ million next year to be the one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL is not the best use of Mr. McNair's money.
Heres the thing, sure we can cut Carr but how would that really help? This team is far from turning this thing around with one player. The dead money that you would so easily throw away could prevent this team from signing key FA's this off season.
Seriously look around at the up coming FA QB's. There is not a one of them that has better talent than Carr nor could they do a better job of managing this offense. So what would be the point? Throw away the money we pay Carr just to turn around and throw more money away to sign someone else who is either just as good or worse than Carr?
Even if you draft a QB, would you really want to put a newbie behind this Oline? Carr has two years left on his contract which is the same amount of time it is going to take for this team to get good and put talent on the field. At the end of that two years if there is talent on the oline and the missing piece is the QB then you don't resign him and draft your future. In the mean time it just seems silly to me to drop Carr just to drop Carr.
to be the one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL .
Heres the thing, sure we can cut Carr but how would that really help? This team is far from turning this thing around with one player. The dead money that you would so easily throw away could prevent this team from signing key FA's this off season.
It would help because Carr is a bad QB who is not worth what he will be paid next year. I agree we need more than one player, but having an average or better QB will help the team win. The salary cap is going up next year and we'll be rid of the dead money attributable to Walker and Wade. We will still have money to sign other FA's.
Seriously look around at the up coming FA QB's. There is not a one of them that has better talent than Carr nor could they do a better job of managing this offense. So what would be the point? Throw away the money we pay Carr just to turn around and throw more money away to sign someone else who is either just as good or worse than Carr?
I don't care about "talent"-- Carr has all the physical talent in the world to play QB, but doesn't have what it takes between the ears. Are you kidding me about none of the other FA QB's being better able to do a better job of managing the offense? Garcia would be so much better, it's not even funny. Plummer would also be better, though I don't think much of him as a QB. But even if Plummer were to come in and do an average job, that's still better than what Carr has been able to do. Signing either one of them would be an upgrade at the position.
Even if you draft a QB, would you really want to put a newbie behind this Oline? Carr has two years left on his contract which is the same amount of time it is going to take for this team to get good and put talent on the field. At the end of that two years if there is talent on the oline and the missing piece is the QB then you don't resign him and draft your future. In the mean time it just seems silly to me to drop Carr just to drop Carr.
Not sure how you arrived at that other than just a personal judgment. He is the 8th ranked in the AFC and 13th ranked in the entire NFL. Now you can make a personal judgment that he isn't very good, but to state that he is the worst starting QB the league would be pretty far from true based on how the league rates the QBs. If your talking w & l s, well, there are a couple of other folks that are involved in making those W & L s what they are along with Carr.
No, I would prefer to bring in a veteran to hold the fort down. Two more years of lousy play by Carr would be more than I could take. Our O-line is far from great, but Carr makes bad decisions even when he has plenty of time to throw. I don't buy the argument that Carr has no talent on offense to help him. He has one of the best WR tandems in the league. Dayne has been tearing it up the last few games, and the line has also improved of late. Leinert played much better than Carr behind a line that is unquestionably worse than Houston's. Romo plays 10X better behind a line that is Carr is about as bad as ours. David Carr is a weak link on the team.
I have to disagree with you in several respects:
1. Garcia was a 3-time Pro Bowler in SF. Yes, he was far from great in Cleveland or Detroit, but he's played extremely well this year, guiding the Eagles to the playoffs when they were pretty much given up for dead. Right now, there is absolutely NO comparison between Garcia and Carr as far as the quality of their play. (I agree with you that Plummer is not all that and a a bag of chips, but still think he's better than Carr.) In addition, remember that Kubiak is also regarded as a "friggin genius" when it comes to QB's, but his genius isn't working on Carr for some reason.
2. AJ and Moulds aren't a good WR tandem?!?!?! What does constitute a good tandem?
3. In the last 4 games, here is the yardage Dayne has gained and his number of carries, per game: 95 yards/18 attempts; 87/21; 94/18; 153/32. If you don't think those numbers are good, I don't know what to say. I'd like to see you apply the same standards you apply to our WR's and RB's to David Carr.
4. The Cardinals do NOT have a solid LT. They have an overweight, underachieving player that the team may let go in FA (despite its horrible offensive line and the premium placed on LT's) because he hasn't been worth the 2nd overall pick in the draft the team wasted on him. Regardless of how you feel about their LT, the rest of their linemen STINK.
5. The Cowboys line is NOT much better than ours. Flozell Adams, a former Pro Bowler is back this season from a serious knee injury and is not the player he once was. Rivera, another former Pro Bowler, has been a disappointment and is also not nearly the player he once was at age 34. Gurode, the center, barely won the starting job (mainly because his rival, Al Johnson, is underweight) and is nothing to write home about. The other guard and tackle are guys the team picked up in FA at bargain prices and are no better than their counterparts on the Texans. What has been striking to me as an avid Cowboys fan is that when Bledsoe was the QB of the Cowboys, his play very much resembled Carr's (e.g., stupid interceptions, too many sacks, few plays, etc.). Then when Romo was inserted into the lineup behind the same line, we all got to see how big of an impact a QB with good pocket presence and improvisional skill can have behind a mediocre line. If Romo were playing behind the Texans' line, he'd still be having the same kind of season he's having in Dallas, and remember, he was signed by the team as an undrafted free agent and is being paid only a fraction of what Carr.
No more excuses for Carr!
You're citing figures based on QB rating points, which many do not believe accurately reflect a QB's value to a team. Carr has a high completion percentage, which is partially the result of all the dink and dunk passes he throws. Sometimes he checks down even when he has plenty of time to throw. I also didn't say he was THE worst starting QB in the league, I said he was ONE OF the worst, and I stand behind that statement. By no means is this the sole basis for my opinion, but FYI Scouts, Inc. ranks Carr 25th out of 32 QB's in the NFL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2708631
My opinion is based more on personal observation of how Carr plays in comparison to other QB's. Leinert and Romo are two young, relatively inexperienced guys who have outplayed Carr behind lines that are undoubtedly worse (Arizona) or about the same (Dallas).
As far as W's and L's, yes I realize many others have a role in that. But so does Carr, and I'm through giving him free passes when he's a 5th year starting QB who's making about $8 million/year on his most recent extension. He's sure as heck not playing well enough to be worth that.
So, what your saying is that it is nothing but your opinion, and that's fine, but that's all it is. Interesting that you say "Many don't think it is a good eval" when that is the standard used by the league, media etc., but then that doesn't support your agenda. If it were the other way, I suspect that they would all of a sudden become " The GOLD standard" for evaluation. Now, don't get the idea I think Carr has played well, but don't go off pushing stuff that is just your opinion as some sort of fact like gravity or something. If it is your opinion, so state it. Don't just say "He is the worst QB in the League", because that just isn't true based on how the league rates the QBs.