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Davey, you'll always be #1 in my mind.
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The funny thing is if Vick came out the next year, we would have drafted him. I think we were doomed from the start...or just choosing Charlie and Dom to run the club ruined our first years.
At least Mr. Mittens is in the top 10 of something other than sack records!
I don't think you can really say Vick was a bad #1 pick. He did take a crappy ATL team to the NFC championship and for the most part was a threat that DCs had to gameplan for.
Was Tony Mandarich a #1 overall?
No he was the second pick after Troy Aikman. The Packers could have drafted Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, or Derrick Thomas.
Funny how Yahoo is displaying both Vick and Carr on their main page - with the link to that article...
Here's the pic that they show:
David Carr: How do I read defenses?
Mike Vick: That dog took a good chunk off my ass.
I though Dave was showing off his 'bangin' soul patch....
it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.But for whatever reason its seems to remain a local pasttime to bash him even now after he's long gone from the scene.
it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.
I never though Carr was a bad pick and I still don't.
Now the way Capers and his cast of coachs "developed" him after he got here and the abysmal job they did in providing him with an adequate OLine
his first couple years, that's another story for sure.
But for whatever reason its seems to remain a local pasttime to bash him even now after he's long gone from the scene.
You're saying that fans should feel short-changed for buying tickets to Texans games because Carr now claims that he didn't give it his all on the field ? Ah, if you say he said that OK.it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.
You're saying that fans should feel short-changed for buying tickets to Texans games because Carr now claims that he didn't give it his all on the field ? Ah, if you say he said that OK.
I was glad when he finally left. He was definitely here to long for all concerned. But that kid took some hard beatings. And a lot of them.
My animosity was really towards McNair & the Texans more than Carr for the way his whole situation was handled. What a waste of the first overall pick
and no telling how many lost games and really the inability for the franchise to improve as much as it could have because of the way Carr struggled.
We weren't "doomed from the start". All we had to do was the obvious thing and take Julius Peppers and things would have proceeded as they should have. We'd have had a brutal defensive line in 2002, a decent linebacking corps, and a veteran secondary. Aaron Glenn and Gary Brown went to the Pro Bowl our first year. Peppers might have joined them. We would have started Tony Banks and I absolutely believe we might have won 6-7 games that season without trying to start a rookie with no football instincts.
We were far from doomed. We just had no real brain trust. It angers me to no end to see Charlie Casserly making a living as a "draft expert" so soon after he demonstrated to the world that any casual fan with a dart board and an internet connection could out-draft him with ease.
I have no professional respect for that man at all and would gladly say that to his face if given the opportunity.
We were far from doomed. We just had no real brain trust. It angers me to no end to see Charlie Casserly making a living as a "draft expert" so soon after he demonstrated to the world that any casual fan with a dart board and an internet connection could out-draft him with ease.
I used to agree with a lot of what you're saying, but seriously go back and watch some old games. A lot of those beatings were because of the line BUT a lot of those beatings were self-induced. I was willing to give Carr the entire first season that Kubiak was here (Of course, to many that constituted me being a Carr homer - which I was far from and got pummeled for anyway)... He lost me half way through that season because I realized it wasn't coaching, it wasn't all on the line - it was mostly David.
I don't have the deep seeded hate for Carr, but by the same token, I enjoy funnin' on him a little... It's cathartic. He owes me that, at least..
We weren't "doomed from the start". All we had to do was the obvious thing and take Julius Peppers and things would have proceeded as they should have. We'd have had a brutal defensive line in 2002, a decent linebacking corps, and a veteran secondary. Aaron Glenn and Gary Brown went to the Pro Bowl our first year. Peppers might have joined them. We would have started Tony Banks and I absolutely believe we might have won 6-7 games that season without trying to start a rookie with no football instincts.
We were far from doomed. We just had no real brain trust. It angers me to no end to see Charlie Casserly making a living as a "draft expert" so soon after he demonstrated to the world that any casual fan with a dart board and an internet connection could out-draft him with ease.
I have no professional respect for that man at all and would gladly say that to his face if given the opportunity.
I think in hindsight Dom did a much better job of coaching than CC did as a gm .
I think Dom did a terrible job. He was just as bad as Casserly - worse in my opinion. The coaches lost the players going into that 2-14 season and it showed. The available talent didn't change that much from the preceding 7-9 season.
This is like ... would you rather be eaten by a shark or an alligator . They were both really bad but CC was the dealer and Dom had to play the hand that was dealt .
Except he'd keep a 3 and a 5 in his hand rather than try to get at least an 8.
Weak analogy, but you get the point. He didn't play his best cards.
If that'd happen, we'd have slightly happier memories and no AJ, Mario, DeMeco, Amobi, or Dunta.We weren't "doomed from the start". All we had to do was the obvious thing and take Julius Peppers and things would have proceeded as they should have. We'd have had a brutal defensive line in 2002, a decent linebacking corps, and a veteran secondary. Aaron Glenn and Gary Brown went to the Pro Bowl our first year. Peppers might have joined them. We would have started Tony Banks and I absolutely believe we might have won 6-7 games that season without trying to start a rookie with no football instincts.
We were far from doomed. We just had no real brain trust. It angers me to no end to see Charlie Casserly making a living as a "draft expert" so soon after he demonstrated to the world that any casual fan with a dart board and an internet connection could out-draft him with ease.
I have no professional respect for that man at all and would gladly say that to his face if given the opportunity.
Not really , the strength of the Texans was clearly their defense . The new QB was bad , the OL was bad , their offense was smoke and mirrors at best . So what do you do , you try to keep the game close and play D ... that's what they did .
If CC is a 2 as a GM then Dom's a 3 as a Coach . You have a hardon for Dom because of Seth Wand . Which is fine because I think of all the blown picks and bad trades .
No. I don't like his coaching (I understand he's a fine man) because he built a bad staff and let them run the team into the ground. Why did they go from 7-9 to 2-14? The talent didn't change that much. The coaching cratered.
As long as Ryan Leaf is not #1 on this list, it has no merit in my eyes. As much as we all like to bag on Carr, Leaf won FOUR games in 3 years, and he conducted himself with all the maturity of an 18-y/o frat brat loaded down with a sense of entitlement.
Ryan Leaf was a #2 pick, not a #1. That's why he's not on this list. This is a list of #1's who busted.
it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.
It's hard for me to think the Texans "ruined" him when he freely admits he didn't listen to his coaches or try that hard to prepare.You're saying that fans should feel short-changed for buying tickets to Texans games because Carr now claims that he didn't give it his all on the field ? Ah, if you say he said that OK.
I was glad when he finally left. He was definitely here to long for all concerned. But that kid took some hard beatings. And a lot of them.
My animosity was really towards McNair & the Texans more than Carr for the way his whole situation was handled. What a waste of the first overall pick
and no telling how many lost games and really the inability for the franchise to improve as much as it could have because of the way Carr struggled.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/colum...as_pat&id=3292963&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1
Carr says it was his "California Cool" that was the impediment to his success, while also admitting that he didn't prepare well enough.
Quote:
When Carr was in Houston, Palmer was his quarterbacks coach. The two always had a good relationship, but Carr admitted he might not always have given Palmer his best.
...It's about preparing yourself and carrying yourself the right way. Those were the things Chris always was telling me in Houston, but I wasn't always listening. This time, I'm going to listen.''
Thanks Davey!
It's hard for me to think the Texans "ruined" him when he freely admits he didn't listen to his coaches or try that hard to prepare.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=866053&postcount=625
*edit for link*The kick also provoked a giant sigh of relief in Houston, as the Texans (2-14) narrowly avoided ruining the only solace left in their awful season. After the game, a person close to the organization told The Associated Press that (Dom) Capers will be fired Monday to start an offseason of big changes - probably peaking with a red-white-and-blue jersey for Bush. If Houston had won, the New Orleans Saints would have received the top pick and first dibs on Bush, the Heisman Trophy-winning tailback from USC who's widely expected to enter the draft.
"You heard the talk all week: 'Play well, but don't win,"' said Texans quarterback David Carr, sidelined in the first half with a right elbow injury. "All that stuff was a little distracting at times. Maybe a lot of fans were glad I busted my elbow and Andre (Johnson) got hurt. There were some wild things about this football game.
"If we couldn't win them all, if we couldn't make the playoffs, I guess having the first pick, as bad as it is, might be good."
That's terrible, terrible stuff to read. But can you blame the fans? It's a weird position to be in, and each and every season, a few squads' faithful are saddled in it throughout the final month of the year.
geeze I never have been so wrong about a person
I'm still eating my crow. Taste a little better since he isn't here anymore.
Throw in some A-1......