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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

Texansphan said:
Probably not, but Casino did drop back two spots and picked up an extra draft pick then selected him.
If he has a nice sophomore year will you be happier about that pick?
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Then he spent those picks and more trading up for Metchie and Harris.
 
steelbtexan said:
No I didn't like the Stingley pick, I wanted Sauce, I liked the Green pick. I still think he's got the chance to be really good, Said he had surgery, been working out, in great shape and has even lost a few pounds. Much stronger supposedly too.
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Good to hear.
 
TexansFan15 said:
No. I didn’t even think he was the best guard. I thought Zion Johnson was better. I was extremely disappointed when we drafted Green.
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Kenyon Green had a much better resume than Zion Johnson. Green played well early in the season, prior to his injury week 7 vs the Raiders. And if we're cherry picking, Tyler Smith has shown to be the best o-lineman at that point in the draft. Maybe that entire draft. Anyone have that happening?
 
Lucky said:
Kenyon Green had a much better resume than Zion Johnson. Green played well early in the season, prior to his injury week 7 vs the Raiders. And if we're cherry picking, Tyler Smith has shown to be the best o-lineman at that point in the draft. Maybe that entire draft. Anyone have that happening?
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I honestly thought Johnson had the better resume, but to each their own
 
Lucky said:
Kenyon Green had a much better resume than Zion Johnson. Green played well early in the season, prior to his injury week 7 vs the Raiders. And if we're cherry picking, Tyler Smith has shown to be the best o-lineman at that point in the draft. Maybe that entire draft. Anyone have that happening?
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Again, regardless of position, does anyone think they're the bpa or need pick?
 
leebigeztx said:
Again, regardless of position, does anyone think they're the bpa or need pick?
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I think it should be a blend of both. Plus a team's BPA and/or need is not clear at draft time for those outside an organization. For me, the massive exchange of ideas, thoughts and information on this board about our team is what makes this time of year fun, regardless of who's right/wrong or batshit crazy.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I think it should be a blend of both. Plus a team's BPA and/or need is not clear at draft time for those outside an organization. For me, the massive exchange of ideas, thoughts and information on this board about our team is what makes this time of year fun, regardless of who's right/wrong or batshit crazy.
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I agree. What if the BPA was the best Left Tackle prospect in 25 years? If you're the Texans you don't take him
 
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leebigeztx said:
Again, regardless of position, does anyone think they're the bpa or need pick?
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If you look back at last year's draft, any elite prospect was off the board at #15. So it was definitely, best player available at a need position. And really, what position didn't the Texans need at that point?
 
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Xopher said:
I agree. What if the BPA was the best Left Tackle prospect in 25 years? If you're the Texans you don't take him
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in that case someone is frothing at the mouth and you trade. I tend to agree you want the best player for your team and that has good value. So CJ to me in not 1.2, so I trade or pick WA and see where the QB's slide to, maybe make a move where CJ is value, or AR, or WL...
 
Lucky said:
If you look back at last year's draft, any elite prospect was off the board at #15. So it was definitely, best player available at a need position. And really, what position didn't the Texans need at that point?
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So how does the offensive ROY go the pick after Green after the trade down. Garrett Wilson played with terrible qb play and still put up 1100 yds. He would've been the best wr on the Texans offense as a rookie. Stingley didn't play well either even when he wasn't in street clothes. Stingley college tape hasn't been good since his freshman year. Now he gets the same scheme Sauce played in which is alot of cover 3 and cover 2. We will see how he performs. Green will be a solid pro, but again, he was a need pick vs best player imo
 
Who do you think has the better situation going into their rookie year?

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If I had to rank their supporting cast:

WRs: Panthers slight edge (no WR1 either roster, close to a push but gave Panthers edge due to more “big play potential” in their bunch).

OL: Texans

TE: Push (Schultz best TE1 of teams but Panthers have superior depth at position).

RB: Texans slight edge (I think Pierce/Singletary > Sanders/Hubbard but i’m sure there are Panthers fans who disagree).


Panthers offensive coaching staff gets the nod due to Frank Reich as HC and Jim Caldwell senior assistant. Both staffs have 1st time OCs that were highly regarded in league circles. Mccown and Jerrod Johnson first time QB coaches but Johnson has experience as an NFL assistant QB coach while Mccown has more playing experience.


I’d say they are both playing in the worst divisions in their respective conferences year 1. I expect the AFC South to be more difficult as the young QBs in the division develop. NFC South has Derek Carr with New Orleans and Falcons/Bucs potentially tanking for 2024 with Ridder/Mayfield. So NFC South could become much harder if those other teams get a highly rated QB next draft.

Going to be fun to watch these two QBs develop.
 
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Picks had to be reflection of coaching preference, who was less interested in building much as immediate impact and coach-ability on his roster. Part that’s confusing, is why did Nick allow this to happen, knowing only temporary situation?

Tells me he’s a reflection of coaching. We’re in a much better situation now :logo:
 
beerlover said:
Picks had to be reflection of coaching preference, who was less interested in building much as immediate impact and coach-ability on his roster. Part that’s confusing, is why did Nick allow this to happen, knowing only temporary situation?
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Stroud and Anderson are both young players. Is it the remaining draft that you consider more "win now" types?
 
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Caserio was just on sports radio 610 and talked fairly in depth about their process. Most definitely build a consensus with everyone who would come into direct contact with the players, to get their thoughts from individual meetings. More they match-up, more it confirms consensus of what the scouts and Nick concluded before the visit. Will Anderson was the first visit of 30 allowed.

Mentioned CJ along with Anderson were two of the high priority early prospects brought in for visits. Doubt all draftees were subjected to same process. Probably more off traits and needs, for the future, since DeMeco is no lame duck head coach.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not knocking the Texans scouting process. At all. But finding Will Anderson is like finding the sun. It's pretty obvious, everyday. I know there were people knocking him. Everyone gets knocked come draft season.
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Every player has warts, he just stated liked to add two quality players (mitigating expectations publicly, but internally excited as hell). Personally I like all the picks, which is a rarity!
 
Lucky said:
Taken Young at 1.2 and traded up for Anderson at 1.3. The more you look at this, the easier it seems for the Texans. They were coming away with 2 of the 3 best players in the draft.
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If Pint Young was truly the desired target….then they should’ve executed a trade with the Panthers to ensure he would be their QB by having the first pick. Again, I’m not buying Young was the backup plan to Stroud.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If Pint Young was truly the desired target….then they should’ve executed a trade with the Panthers to ensure he would be their QB by having the first pick. Again, I’m not buying Young was the backup plan to Stroud.
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OK. I think Caserio said Young was QB1 on their board this morning, though.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'd be curious as to what the team would've done if CJ Stroud was taken with the first pick. In all honesty, I'm not sure they were sold on Pint Young and may have traded out of the spot while keeping their focus on Anderson. No one in the media has asked that question.
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There's a hundred different ways to play the what if game for every pick they made. What if they had assurances that the Panthers were taking Pint Young? No one has asked because it's not something their concerned with
 
Those who disregard CND’s medical evaluations should be tagged as buyer beware. He correctly projected probabilities of Stingley’s odds to overcome Lisfranc, injury shared by Tyree Wilson (that otherwise could have gone overlooked) and his Bryce Young shoulder status odds for a full recovery. From a medical standpoint alone CJ was the top QB prospect and Will top edge rusher.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'd be curious as to what the team would've done if CJ Stroud was taken with the first pick. In all honesty, I'm not sure they were sold on Pint Young and may have traded out of the spot while keeping their focus on Anderson. No one in the media has asked that question.
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90% sure they would’ve taken young. Heck I would’ve been over the moon if young was there at 1.2, he was my first choice qb all along. Oh well nonetheless I’m happy with Stroud
 
Lucky said:
Take Young at 1.2 and trade up for Anderson at 1.3. The more you look at this, the easier it seems for the Texans. They were coming away with 2 of the 3 best players in the draft.
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Agree. Would have played out the same way. Most people agree that this draft class had very few quality “top tier” prospects and a lot of similarly rated prospects from pick 15 to about 100 or so. I think the Texans planned on getting two of the unanimous blue chip prospects. Love the aggressiveness.
 
beerlover said:
Those who disregard CND’s medical evaluations should be tagged as buyer beware. He correctly projected probabilities of Stingley’s odds to overcome Lisfranc, injury shared by Tyree Wilson (that otherwise could have gone overlooked) and his Bryce Young shoulder status odds for a full recovery. From a medical standpoint alone CJ was the top QB prospect and Will top edge rusher.
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True about injuries and CnD.

CJ was Caserio's top QB choice, not everybody's. If this doesn't workout in 3 yrs Caserio should rightly be fired.
 
TheRealJoker said:
LZ said on his radio show this morning that the building was split on Stroud but everybody loved Will Anderson. He said Stroud was DeMeco’s choice at QB and Caserio did not want him at 2.
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This doesn't surprise me,

It's not what I've heard though.

In fact 2 different people have told me 2 different things when it came to the Stroud pick.

1. Told me that Cal/Slowik didn't want Stroud. But Hannah/Caserio did. Not sure about Ryans.

2. Stroud was a Cal/Hannah pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
This doesn't surprise me,

It's not what I've heard though.

In fact 2 different people have told me 2 different things when it came to the Stroud pick.

1. Told me that Cal/Slowik didn't want Stroud. But Hannah/Caserio did. Not sure about Ryans.

2. Stroud was a Cal/Hannah pick.
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Your neighbor and mailman don’t qualify as reputable sources.

And if two people are telling you two different things than that means no one knows.

Especially now LZ is saying Demeco wanted Stroud. And LZ has said he has no sources on the inside.

Guess what? No-one ******* knows anything.
 
beerlover said:
Again, let’s play the games, then judge as facts become known.
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Yep. It doesn’t matter how the players get here. They are here and this is who the Texans will be playing with for the season. I’m sure if the player is successful everyone in the organization will take credit for knowing all along. And of course if the player fails we will hear “leaks” and “I told you so…”
 
TheRealJoker said:
Yep. It doesn’t matter how the players get here. They are here and this is who the Texans will be playing with for the season. I’m sure if the player is successful everyone in the organization will take credit for knowing all along. And of course if the player fails we will hear “leaks” and “I told you so…”
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& it's not like Stroud is a bad prospect. I didn't want to draft him at 1.2, but if he turns out to be a top 10 QB.... ain't nothing wrong with that.

If they come to think of him as a top 10, but not a championship caliber QB, don't overspend when contract time comes. Prepare to trade him. Look for your QB. Take a couple of flyers like Purdy, or Romo. Draft him at the top of the draft, like Trey Lance even though you're paying a gazillion to a pretty face. Draft him in the third like Russ, even though you just paid out the butt for... dang, forgot his name.
 
TexansBull said:
Your neighbor and mailman don’t qualify as reputable sources.

And if two people are telling you two different things than that means no one knows.

Especially now LZ is saying Demeco wanted Stroud. And LZ has said he has no sources on the inside.

Guess what? No-one ******* knows anything.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, just telling you what I heard. Anyways none of this matters now. What's done is done.
 
thunderkyss said:
& it's not like Stroud is a bad prospect. I didn't want to draft him at 1.2, but if he turns out to be a top 10 QB.... ain't nothing wrong with that.

If they come to think of him as a top 10, but not a championship caliber QB, don't overspend when contract time comes. Prepare to trade him. Look for your QB. Take a couple of flyers like Purdy, or Romo. Draft him at the top of the draft, like Trey Lance even though you're paying a gazillion to a pretty face. Draft him in the third like Russ, even though you just paid out the butt for... dang, forgot his name.
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You actually think if Stroud's a competent QB but not a championship level QB that Cal wont sign him to a 2nd cap killing contract especially with DM as his agent. Getting paid is what all DM clients are about.
 
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