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thanks for saying that. Bush had good numbers.wow 160 yds vs cleveland. no offense to browns fans but their D ain't the eagles Dgg no re said:I'm only sick at all of the Bush dong-riding just because they beat on one of the weakest teams in the AFC, while we dealt with a top-tier NFC team.
RocKetHtown said:Super M needs to start geting to the QB...So we can move on from the bush crap
gg no re said:I'm only sick at all of the Bush dong-riding just because they beat on one of the weakest teams in the AFC, while we dealt with a top-tier NFC team.
The Dream said:Reggie made a difference today....that is the main point...he's a difference making player.......Mario was awful.
The Dream said:Mario Williams was worthless today, meanwhile Bush gets over 160 total yards....I know it's a long season but I have a feelin we'll be seeing a lot more of this for years to come.
We'll find out in Week 6.The Dream said:no but we sure could've used Reggie in the backfield......point being Reggie would've made a difference on offense, Mario DIDN'T make a difference on Defense.....it still sucks even with his addition.
im not buying thatThe Dream said:no but we sure could've used Reggie in the backfield......
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Nooch/NFL_Draft/31913What in the Wide World of Sports is Going on Here?
by: Nooch
Mario Bowie was a Bad Pick
May 05, 2006 | 9:55AM
Ordinarily, I would say that the Houston Texans’ selection of Mario Bowie as the #1 overall pick in this year’s NFL Draft was a mistake. Except there was no Mario Bowie in this year’s NFL Draft. Or a Reggie Jordan, for that matter.
Of course, these seemingly minor details have not prevented a slew of people from comparing the 2006 NFL Draft to the 1984 NBA Draft. And in this amalgam-driven comparison NC State defensive end Mario Williams somehow has gotten turned into former Kentucky center Sam Bowie and USC running back Reggie Bush has magically morphed into a skinny junior guard from the University of North Carolina who would go on to become the greatest player in NBA history. And the clock gets turned back 22 years. And the ellipse-shaped ball held onto like grim death by running backs and wideouts gets turned into a giant sphere bounced on the floor by guards and sent rattling through a metal rim by centers and forwards.
This is starting to make my head hurt.
Houston’s selection of Mario Williams (even with incumbent Heisman winner Reggie Bush still clearly on the board) in the 2006 NFL Draft is not tantamount to the Portland Trailblazers’ decision to choose Bowie over Michael Jordan in the 1984 NBA Draft. Period. Fin`e. Th-Tha-That’s all, folks!
Jordan and Bowie were professional basketball players who debuted in the NBA 20 years ago and whose careers have long since been completed. Williams and Bush are about to become professional football players. Neither has played a single down in the NFL. Assessing the relative greatness (or mediocrity) of each at the professional level isn’t even possible yet. So, the whole Reggie=MJ thing must wait.
Thus, the Mario Williams=Sam Bowie equation should also be tabled. Bowie was already injury-prone in college. He missed two full seasons at Kentucky with various leg maladies. So, it was no surprise when his injury problems followed him into the NBA and lead to a star-crossed pro career. Williams, on the other hand, missed exactly ZERO games due to injury during his three-year collegiate career at NC State. And, if the actual draft order plays a part in this, Bowie was not selected #1 overall in 1984, Hakeem Olajuwon was. However, comparing a 21-year-old rookie defensive end to Hakeem Olajuwon makes just about as much sense as comparing him to Sam Bowie. (Interestingly, the true draft order of the respective 2006 NFL and 1984 NBA Drafts would actually turn Bush into Bowie and Vince Young into MJ!)
And if the Williams-Bush, Bowie-Jordan thing can somehow, mercifully, be shown the door, so, too, should any comparison of Reggie Bush to football legends such as Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders and of Mario Williams to Bruce Smith or Reggie White.
What we really have here (you have no idea how tempted I was to say “a failure to communicate,” but in deference and utter respect to the late, great Strother Martin, I shall not) are two supremely gifted athletes who project favorably at the NFL level. Any attempt to qualify those projections by predicting duplicate performances of past NFL greats at this time seems pointless.
If some form of projection at the pro level must be made for Williams and Bush before either has had a chance to have any of his NFL career play out, then a brief look at the production/longevity trend by position is probably in order.
Running backs are the sleek, high-performance engines of the NFL, combining power and speed in nearly equal measure. Their careers tend to burn bright and burn fast. Any slip in either power or speed, and their careers tend to end instantly. Zero to 60 in a blink, and 60 to zero just as fast.
Some want to compare Reggie Bush to Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders. Ok. Sayers was electrifying on the football field. His twisting, slashing runs are the stuff of legend. His career was seven years of blinding intensity and then it was abruptly over. Sanders had an equally fascinating running style, darting and dodging would-be tacklers at will, all the while keeping his powerful but compact 5’8” frame close to the ground. He thrilled fans and perplexed and maddened opponents for ten years before suddenly leaving the game. The image of the star running back is akin to a bolt of lighting: intense, jarring, and gone in an instant.
Conversely, defensive ends are steadier, more methodical. Although they also rely on speed and power, some measure of each can be substituted with superior technique. Thus, their careers tend not to burn quite as fast as running backs. Though, it may also be argued, not nearly as bright, either.
And if comparisons of Mario Williams to Bruce Smith or Reggie White are to be made: Smith played for 19 seasons; White, 15. The current NFL career sack leader Michael Strahan will be entering his 14th NFL season in 2006, and he is still a pass rushing force.
So what does any of this mean? Not much really. Frankly, no one has a clue as to how either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams will perform in the NFL. History tells us that the running back (Bush) is more likely to be flashier and that the defensive end (Williams) is more likely to have a longer career. However, neither factor really indicates if (or by what degree) the Houston Texans made a mistake by drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. And outside of serious Texan fans (and, as by-product of Bush slipping to the 2nd pick, serious New Orleans Saints fans), why does anybody really care if the Texans made a draft pick mistake in the first place?
As for all of that business comparing football players in 2006 to basketball players in 1984, there is this kid, D’Brickashaw Perkins, who pass blocks like nobody’s business and can hit the medium-range jumper with some consistency. But can you believe he was picked 4th, ahead of that ferocious linebacker/rebounding machine AJ Barkley?
I second that: I shall not post or read any such subject matter on these boardsGrid said:Well the week couldnt start out worse. Losing to the iggles is bad enough.. now we gotta deal with the whiners who get starry eyed looking at stats.
I am going to make a vow.
As of right now, i vow not to take part in any Bush vs. Mario debates on this board until the 2009 season (3 years) when we actually have something worthwhile to talk about.
Why is it that posters like you (The Dream) and others contribute nothing to the conversation during the preseason and before, but come on here just to hype on Reggie Bush and say how bad Mario Williams is? I remember during the draft, all the Vince Young and Reggie Bush lovers come here to say the Texans are stupid for taking Mario Williams and such talk, but after all the hoopla died down a significant amount then never came back. And now when Mario Williams has a bad first game and Reggie Bush has a good one, you all of a sudden come back?
The Dream said:he couldn't have done worst than Lundy or Morency today....oh and he runs A LOT better
you obviously know your football, can you please compare offensive and defensive players again, with an emphasis on stats
The Dream said:This about impact...and Reggie Bush has and will make a bigger impact than Mario Williams....I think that's fair to say.
gg no re said:In comparison, Julius Peppers' first NFL game kinda sucked. Only 1 assi
This is who people should compare Mario to NOT Reggie Bush! I wonder if the Panthers fans felt the same way about Peppers! I'm sure they felt he was a bust in his pro debut! We all need to wait at least 2 yrs to label Super Mario a bust or not. Some people expectations are way too high with this team at this point, pls everyone.....chill !
The Dream said:Reggie made a difference today....that is the main point...he's a difference making player.......Mario was awful.
phantom17 said:gg no re said:In comparison, Julius Peppers' first NFL game kinda sucked. Only 1 assi
This is who people should compare Mario to NOT Reggie Bush! I wonder if the Panthers fans felt the same way about Peppers! I'm sure they felt he was a bust in his pro debut! We all need to wait at least 2 yrs to label Super Mario a bust or not. Some people expectations are way too high with this team at this point, pls everyone.....chill !
That's what I'm talking about...........