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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

beerlover said:
49’ers accumulated all that talent despite trading up for Trey Lance No. 3 overall, giving up No. 12 pick in 2021, first-round selections in 2022 and 2023 and a third-round pick in 2022. Think Fish lost that #1 2023 for tampering…… so doesn’t mean you can’t sustain and remain in the race.
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1st of all the 49ers had been building out their team for 5 yrs before they made the trade for Lance. 2nd of all how many teams have EVER been able to overcome a terrible trade like the one the 49ers made for Lance?

This is about on the same scale of drafting a midget and expecting him to win a SB.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Did you have any other ideas as to how the team was going to fix everything before the 2023 NFL season?
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If you want to go back to see

when Caserio started Caserioing many were complaining because he wasn’t gutting the team. Instead he was restructuring contracts & signing journeyman replacement level players.

I argued he was trying to salvage the Watson situation before realizing it was a no win situation.

had he punted on Watson from day 1 we’d have over $100M cap space for 2023 & be first, not 7th in a year when everyone seems to be struggling with the cap.

I didn’t think it made sense to draft a QB with our most valuable pick in 2021. That pick could have been a starting Center that many are begging the Texans to find in 2023. Instead of using that pick in 2023 on a possible Center it could be a RB to pair with Pierce, a LB to push Wallow off the roster, a specialist speed rusher off the edge, a DJ Reeder replacement.

none of this is new. There have been posters saying the same thing for two years.
 
thunderkyss said:
I hear what you’re saying. Sounds to me you’re saying we need to start drafting better & coaching better PERIOD.

whether we draft a QB in 2023/2024 if we don’t start drafting better & coaching better it doesn’t matter

I’m not sold that we’ve been drafting better the last two years.

I’m positive we haven’t been seeing good coaching
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You didn't like the last draft?

Petrie
Pierce
Harris
I even like the Q pick.

If Metchie/Green/Stingley can make it back from injury then this will have been a really good draft. Now, this really comes down to how good is Ryans going to be calling the personnel shots. This is his team and he will get the players he wants. Will this yrs draft be as good as last yrs draft? I hope so, but there are no assurances about that.
 
thunderkyss said:
If you want to go back to see

when Caserio started Caserioing many were complaining because he wasn’t gutting the team. Instead he was restructuring contracts & signing journeyman replacement level players.

I argued he was trying to salvage the Watson situation before realizing it was a no win situation.

had he punted on Watson from day 1 we’d have over $100M cap space for 2023 & be first, not 7th in a year when everyone seems to be struggling with the cap.

I didn’t think it made sense to draft a QB with our most valuable pick in 2021. That pick could have been a starting Center that many are begging the Texans to find in 2023. Instead of using that pick in 2023 on a possible Center it could be a RB to pair with Pierce, a LB to push Wallow off the roster, a specialist speed rusher off the edge, a DJ Reeder replacement.

none of this is new. There have been posters saying the same thing for two years.
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The Derrick decision was a McNair decision.

So the decision to draft Mills over a center in the 3rd rd has doomed this franchise?
 
steelbtexan said:
You didn't like the last draft?

Petrie
Pierce
Harris
I even like the Q pick.

If Metchie/Green/Stingley can make it back from injury then this will have been a really good draft. Now, this really comes down to how good is Ryans going to be calling the personnel shots. This is his team and he will get the players he wants. Will this yrs draft be as good as last yrs draft? I hope so, but there are no assurances about that.
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If…

that’s my point. If…
 
steelbtexan said:
The Derrick decision was a McNair decision.

So the decision to draft Mills over a center in the 3rd rd has doomed this franchise?
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It doesn’t matter whose decision it was. He asked me if there was another way. There was.
 
Texansphan said:
Funny thing is, if Mills had gone to a better team with better coaching and won 8-9 games, people would be saying why didn't NC pull the trigger on him when he had the chance.
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I’ve been very clear. I liked Mills the player. I didn’t like drafting a QB with that pick for this team at that time.

if we’re drafting a QB two drafts later it was a wasted pick. A pick made with little foresight.
 
thunderkyss said:
If you want to go back to see

when Caserio started Caserioing many were complaining because he wasn’t gutting the team. Instead he was restructuring contracts & signing journeyman replacement level players.

I argued he was trying to salvage the Watson situation before realizing it was a no win situation.

had he punted on Watson from day 1 we’d have over $100M cap space for 2023 & be first, not 7th in a year when everyone seems to be struggling with the cap.

I didn’t think it made sense to draft a QB with our most valuable pick in 2021. That pick could have been a starting Center that many are begging the Texans to find in 2023. Instead of using that pick in 2023 on a possible Center it could be a RB to pair with Pierce, a LB to push Wallow off the roster, a specialist speed rusher off the edge, a DJ Reeder replacement.

none of this is new. There have been posters saying the same thing for two years.
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The McNair’s were never going to let Caserio punt Watson out the door when he entered. First, Cal and OB handed him a fully guaranteed contract and a NTC…..I’m 100% certain, the McNair’s instructions were simple, salvage this situation so we don’t lose our arses!!!! So, the salvage began, then the next shoe fell. The only thing the organization could do was wait and see. When there was even a glimmer of light in the tunnel of ducked, Caserio found a sucker in the Browns, and walked away from the trade with 6 picks…..3 of them RD1 picks. This trade saved the Texans collective arses, only took 2 seasons to clean the slate, and has put the team in a great position to take a full step forward this coming off-season..
 
thunderkyss said:
If…

that’s my point. If…
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“If” lives with every team in the NFL. What’s the “if” for the 49’ers if they don’t win today?

If they hadn’t been using their QB4….
If the defense hadn’t committed those costly penalties…..
If they hadn’t turned over the ball twice..
 
thunderkyss said:
I’ve been very clear. I liked Mills the player. I didn’t like drafting a QB with that pick for this team at that time.

if we’re drafting a QB two drafts later it was a wasted pick. A pick made with little foresight.
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I was happy with the pick - he was a four star recruit with little playing time so seemingly had a high ceiling. Unfortunately for him, he landed on a team in the throes of a rebuild.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The McNair’s were never going to let Caserio punt Watson out the door when he entered. First, Cal and OB handed him a fully guaranteed contract and a NTC…..I’m 100% certain, the McNair’s instructions were simple, salvage this situation so we don’t lose our arses!!!! So, the salvage began, then the next shoe fell. The only thing the organization could do was wait and see. When there was even a glimmer of light in the tunnel of ducked, Caserio found a sucker in the Browns, and walked away from the trade with 6 picks…..3 of them RD1 picks. This trade saved the Texans collective arses, only took 2 seasons to clean the slate, and has put the team in a great position to take a full step forward this coming off-season..
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I understand. I agree. But my point was trying to salvage a team Watson could win with.

they should have started the rebuild is all I’m saying, instead of restructuring contracts & signing journeymen. That’s why we’re 7th in cap space & not first. We should have $100M+ in free money with a gutted roster.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
“If” lives with every team in the NFL. What’s the “if” for the 49’ers if they don’t win today?

If they hadn’t been using their QB4….
If the defense hadn’t committed those costly penalties…..
If they hadn’t turned over the ball twice..
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Follow the conversation. This is a specific if, not the general if every team has to deal with.

I said I’m not convinced the Texans are drafting well. He said IF certain players we just drafted come back healthy…

& I said that’s exactly why I’m not sure we’ve been drafting well
 
thunderkyss said:
I hear what you’re saying. Sounds to me you’re saying we need to start drafting better & coaching better PERIOD.

whether we draft a QB in 2023/2024 if we don’t start drafting better & coaching better it doesn’t matter

I’m not sold that we’ve been drafting better the last two years.

I’m positive we haven’t been seeing good coaching
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The Texans can get a lot right and still be forever away.

The chargers have a lot of the personnel but have a below-average game-day coach. there is a huge gap between San Deigo and the other playoff teams.

Bellicek and Tomlin are two of the best coaches in this generation and have what looks like average dudes at QB, nowhere near contenders.

The Jets have most things outside QB.

All that said, things change quickly in the NFL. the Texans need to get good somewhere and then fix the next thing it can. Even with that if those QBs stay healthy and with their current teams, it will take being lucky and good to win with the next 5 to 7 years.
 
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Texansphan said:
I was happy with the pick - he was a four star recruit with little playing time so seemingly had a high ceiling. Unfortunately for him, he landed on a team in the throes of a rebuild.
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If the Texans feel good enough about him & pass on QB I’m fine with the pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
Even if doesn't happen, drafting an all rookie S/RB and a TE with promise is better than the last decade of drafting.
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Setting the bar low my friend. This is Champioship Sunday, we’re watching the best of the best in a win or go home game & you’re waxing over Bill O’Brien/Jack Easterby drafts…
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, you didn't answer the question, did drafting Mills in the 3rd rd doom this franchise?
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I said what I said. Point out exactly what part you didn’t get & I’ll do what I can to help your reading comprehension skills


thunderkyss said:
I didn’t think it made sense to draft a QB with our most valuable pick in 2021. That pick could have been a starting Center that many are begging the Texans to find in 2023. Instead of using that pick in 2023 on a possible Center it could be a RB to pair with Pierce, a LB to push Wallow off the roster, a specialist speed rusher off the edge, a DJ Reeder replacement.
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thunderkyss said:
If the Texans feel good enough about him & pass on QB I’m fine with the pick.
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thunderkyss said:
Setting the bar low my friend. This is Champioship Sunday, we’re watching the best of the best in a win or go home game & you’re waxing over Bill O’Brien/Jack Easterby drafts…
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Then why have you had some of the replies that you've had in this thread if you truly feel this way?

This is just more deflection and being in character argumentative.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I said what I said. Point out exactly what part you didn’t get & I’ll do what I can to help your reading comprehension skills
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No you didn't.

I will ask again and I want you to give me a straight up yes or no answer, did the Mills 3rd rd pick truly hurt this franchise and their future?
 
steelbtexan said:
Then why have you had some of the replies that you've had in this ththread if you truly feel this way?

This is just more deflection and being in character argumentative.
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I was specifically asked if there was another way. I’m answering there was another way

I’m not arguing Caserio screwed the pooch
 
Texansphan said:
I just hope it doesn't happen again this year.
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That’s exactly why I keep beating the drum for the team to draft Hooker. They couldn’t duck this up even if they tried….he’s going to require time to heal and rehabilitate. He has no other option, but to learn from the sideline. Which leads to why I want to sign Jimmy Garoppolo as well. He’s going to be a solid veteran presence that this team has sorely missed. Mills would also get an invaluable development season if Jimmy G stays healthy for a season.
 
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beerlover said:
I just can’t wrap my head around why it’s ok and good drafting to take Stingley #3 overall but not Bryce Young #2 overall?
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Stingley wasn't the right pick and neither will Young be.

However comparing drafting QB's to CB's is truly an apples to oranges comparison.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
That’s exactly why I keep beating the drum for the team to draft Hooker. They couldn’t duck this up even if they tried….he’s going to require time to heal and rehabilitate. He has no other option, but to learn from the sideline. Which leads to why I want to sign Jimmy Garoppolo as well. He’s going to be a solid veteran presence that this team has sorely missed. Mills would also get an invaluable development season if Jimmy G stays healthy for a season.
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Why not just go with Mills if Hooker is your choice?
 
Number19 said:
Why not just go with Mills if Hooker is your choice?
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Both of these QB’s could use the veteran leadership and mentorship that Garoppolo would provide for 1,2, or 3 seasons. Texans have never done it the right way, b/c their track record flat confirms it.
 
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This year's draft order is not favorable for the quarterbacks, with four of the first six teams likely not needing qb's.

Chicago is a No,
Houston is one of the six who needs qb help,
Arizona is a No,
Indy is the second team of the six who needs a qb.

Seattle is a wild card, but Geno Smith has indicated he would like to finish his career in Seattle and Ian Rapoport is reporting that Smith is expected to resign and be Seattle's starting qb in 2023. So mark this down as a No.

And the Lions are a No.

But the next three teams all are in need of a qb.

Las Vegas is a Yes,
Atlanta is a Yes,
Carolina is a Yes.

So the first question is, will Indy just sit tight and take which ever qb, Young or Stroud or Levis, falls to them? Or will they leapfrog Houston to insure they get the qb of their choice?

But will Chicago trade? If Arizona goes defense, Chicago risks losing the player they want if they trade below Arizona.

And what about Seattle? Do they go defense? Will they want to trade up to get one of the top two defensive players?

And then we have Las Vegas, Atlanta and Carolina. Will they sit tight or try and work a trade with Houston or Arizona?

There are just so many permutations the top of the draft could possibly take, but the possibility for a Houston trade down, possibly twice, is certainly there.

The final question I have is DeMeco and how he will want to approach the draft? QB, defense or trade?
 
Texian said:

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That's why I consider him my top QB want in this draft. He's a project, but he can be had late, so we won't have to reach for him. I like Levis's arm, but I'm not sure if he has the head for the game. I've seen better reads and throws from Haener than I have from the top QB's, and he has had to do it with lesser talent around him.
 
vtech9 said:
That's why I consider him my top QB want in this draft. He's a project, but he can be had late, so we won't have to reach for him. I like Levis's arm, but I'm not sure if he has the head for the game. I've seen better reads and throws from Haener than I have from the top QB's, and he has had to do it with lesser talent around him.
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Wouldn’t hurt to get him late and let him sit (3rd string) giving him plenty of time to learn and prep.
 
Haener... so some of us are good with 6'1" 201 pound QBs, but 5'11" 190'ish pound QBs is where we draw the line?

(not really directed at any particular poster - just strikes me as odd)
 
Number19 said:
This year's draft order is not favorable for the quarterbacks, with four of the first six teams likely not needing qb's.

Chicago is a No,
Houston is one of the six who needs qb help,
Arizona is a No,
Indy is the second team of the six who needs a qb.

Seattle is a wild card, but Geno Smith has indicated he would like to finish his career in Seattle and Ian Rapoport is reporting that Smith is expected to resign and be Seattle's starting qb in 2023. So mark this down as a No.

And the Lions are a No.

But the next three teams all are in need of a qb.

Las Vegas is a Yes,
Atlanta is a Yes,
Carolina is a Yes.

So the first question is, will Indy just sit tight and take which ever qb, Young or Stroud or Levis, falls to them? Or will they leapfrog Houston to insure they get the qb of their choice?

But will Chicago trade? If Arizona goes defense, Chicago risks losing the player they want if they trade below Arizona.

And what about Seattle? Do they go defense? Will they want to trade up to get one of the top two defensive players?

And then we have Las Vegas, Atlanta and Carolina. Will they sit tight or try and work a trade with Houston or Arizona?

There are just so many permutations the top of the draft could possibly take, but the possibility for a Houston trade down, possibly twice, is certainly there.

The final question I have is DeMeco and how he will want to approach the draft? QB, defense or trade?
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Nice.

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DeMeco will probably go offensive to appease his new OC.

:coffee:
 
Wow on this mock I did while sitting here watching a show using NFL database, got us a QB and developmental QB, DL Stud, IOL, nice RB's, WR, Edge, S, LB etc. What more you want? Now we even have a chance these guys get coached up
6. C.J. Stroud QB | Ohio State
7. Jalen Carter DL | Georgia
33. O'Cyrus Torrence IOL | Florida
38. Jahmyr Gibbs RB | Alabama
48. Andre Carter II EDGE | Army
65. Luke Musgrave TE | Oregon State
70. Chris Smith II S | Georgia
73. Marvin Mims WR | Oklahoma
79. Garrett Williams CB | Syracuse
104. Daiyan Henley LB | Washington State
106. Jaquelin Roy DL | LSU
109. Roschon Johnson RB | Texas
138. Ricky Stromberg IOL | Arkansas
188. Carter Warren OT | Pittsburgh
201. Cameron Mitchell CB | Northwestern
203. Andrei Iosivas WR | Princeton
207. Moro Ojomo DL | Texas
239. Max Duggan QB | TCU
 
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