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I may have a bit of perception bias or it could just be the first year under a new general manager, but does anyone else remember the previous regime churning the back end of the roster like it is now during the season?

Whatever is happening, I like it. It seems now that we are always looking to improve and arent afraid to let go of under performing players. Again...it could be perception bias.
 
It feels more accountable to me. Perception as I have no facts, but seems with TE that the coaches were not happy with his ability to play slot, see Joe Webb getting some live snaps. Even though TE was a draft pick, they parted ways with a player they drafted, and replaced him. This feels like the coach/GM on the same page. I think Rick churned the practice squad. BG seems to always be looking a bit deeper. I like an accountable culture. Would like to see it for coaches too when we could do better. You need some level of continuity as well, so finding that balance is needed
 
Rich Schmidt said:
It feels more accountable to me. Perception as I have no facts, but seems with TE that the coaches were not happy with his ability to play slot, see Joe Webb getting some live snaps. Even though TE was a draft pick, they parted ways with a player they drafted, and replaced him. This feels like the coach/GM on the same page. I think Rick churned the practice squad. BG seems to always be looking a bit deeper. I like an accountable culture. Would like to see it for coaches too when we could do better. You need some level of continuity as well, so finding that balance is needed
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Gaine has churned the PS AND and active roster. That's exactly the difference we have seen between Smith and Gaine.........a big difference..........a welcome difference.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
It feels more accountable to me. Perception as I have no facts, but seems with TE that the coaches were not happy with his ability to play slot, see Joe Webb getting some live snaps. Even though TE was a draft pick, they parted ways with a player they drafted, and replaced him. This feels like the coach/GM on the same page. I think Rick churned the practice squad. BG seems to always be looking a bit deeper. I like an accountable culture. Would like to see it for coaches too when we could do better. You need some level of continuity as well, so finding that balance is needed
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What happens when you come in at the tail end of a tread?

You wonder what drafted TE we cut. Back tracked to discover TE was not one of last years drafted TE's.

DUH

Smart franchises don''t cut coaches in the middle of the season. That would make you Cleveland.

Many thought that should have been done last off season.

Is Vegas giving odds on how long Gruden lasts with the Raiders?

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
What happens when you come in at the tail end of a tread?

You wonder what drafted TE we cut. Back tracked to discover TE was not one of last years drafted TE's.

DUH

Smart franchises don''t cut coaches in the middle of the season. That would make you Cleveland.

Many thought that should have been done last off season.

Is Vegas giving odds on how long Gruden lasts with the Raiders?

:coffee:
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well 10 years and 100 mil fully guaranteed, I wouldn't expect him to truly to be on the hot seat until after year 5. They don't care about this season or the next couple as much. I think it it's clear they are going to do a full on rebuild which is easy to do since they will be leaving their current fan base after this year, and will only be somewhere else for 2 years so they won't have to be accountable to those fans either.
 
Shishkabob said:
well 10 years and 100 mil fully guaranteed, I wouldn't expect him to truly to be on the hot seat until after year 5. They don't care about this season or the next couple as much. I think it it's clear they are going to do a full on rebuild which is easy to do since they will be leaving their current fan base after this year, and will only be somewhere else for 2 years so they won't have to be accountable to those fans either.
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And maybe not then...................little Davis doesn't have near the reserve throwaway money that Big Al had. He living on borrowed...................everything.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
And maybe not then...................little Davis doesn't have near the reserve throwaway money that Big Al had. He living on borrowed...................everything.
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yup that's what I've heard as well. From what people have said, even if the Raiders wanted to re-sign Mack, Davis wouldn't have had the money to put in escrow for it.
 
cuppacoffee said:
What happens when you come in at the tail end of a tread?

You wonder what drafted TE we cut. Back tracked to discover TE was not one of last years drafted TE's.

DUH

Smart franchises don''t cut coaches in the middle of the season. That would make you Cleveland.

Many thought that should have been done last off season.

Is Vegas giving odds on how long Gruden lasts with the Raiders?

:coffee:
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I dont follow you, maybe I need to be more specific and think I can speak up any time I wish. TE means Tyler Ervin not Tight End. He was a 4th round pick in 2016 as a hybrid RB. I am happy we showed sack to cut him and not hold on too long as slot was a weakness. If you read, I said I wanted coaches to be accountable too and we need continuity, but accountability. If players or coaches stink it up, they both need replacing. I agree coach whacking is usually a big deal as it impacts many players, but I was referring more to position coaches
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I dont follow you, maybe I need to be more specific and think I can speak up any time I wish. TE means Tyler Ervin not Tight End. He was a 4th round pick in 2016 as a hybrid RB. I am happy we showed sack to cut him and not hold on too long as slot was a weakness. If you read, I said I wanted coaches to be accountable too and we need continuity, but accountability. If players or coaches stink it up, they both need replacing. I agree coach whacking is usually a big deal as it impacts many players, but I was referring more to position coaches
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I thought the DUH properly laid the fault for the disconnect. It was mine, I owned it.
Shishkabob said:
yup that's what I've heard as well. From what people have said, even if the Raiders wanted to re-sign Mack, Davis wouldn't have had the money to put in escrow for it.
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I thought the US goobertment was the only corporation that couldn't make a killing running an NFL franchise.


:coffee:
 
Gaine seems to be working diligently to better the roster as does a certain local basketball GM. Also from eight yard to ten in punt returns is huge. If the new guy can also catch a few passes it makes the signing even sweeter for me.
 
badboy said:
Gaine seems to be working diligently to better the roster as does a certain local basketball GM. Also from eight yard to ten in punt returns is huge. If the new guy can also catch a few passes it makes the signing even sweeter for me.
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The new guy only has 10 punt returns, so hi 1 42 yarder skews his average by alot. Take it away and he is around 6 ypr, but the other 2 players that have returned punts for philly went for 18 yards on 7 returns so maybe their specials teams aren't so great?
 
Seegara said:
Real questionable decision. Ervin had become a reliable kick returner. Has anybody claimed him yet?
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Yeah. I think I'd drop Joe Webb before Ervin, just to see what the new guy looks like for a week or so. I mean it's the bye week. I'm sure Joe wouldn't mind the time off, then we can pick him up after the Washington game. If the kid works out, drop Ervin. If not, drop the kid. If the kid makes a good receiver, & we still prefer Ervin as a return specialist, keep Webb's number on speed dial.
 
Seegara said:
Real questionable decision. Ervin had become a reliable kick returner. Has anybody claimed him yet?
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His kick returns ranked 9th, but his punt returns were mundane at 16...............and his value as a RB and WR for reasons I previously have posted.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I dont follow you, maybe I need to be more specific and think I can speak up any time I wish. TE means Tyler Ervin not Tight End. He was a 4th round pick in 2016 as a hybrid RB. I am happy we showed sack to cut him and not hold on too long as slot was a weakness. If you read, I said I wanted coaches to be accountable too and we need continuity, but accountability. If players or coaches stink it up, they both need replacing. I agree coach whacking is usually a big deal as it impacts many players, but I was referring more to position coaches
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sorry cup, thought you were busting my balls on something, here, have a starbucks on me!
 
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Shishkabob said:
The new guy only has 10 punt returns, so hi 1 42 yarder skews his average by alot. Take it away and he is around 6 ypr, but the other 2 players that have returned punts for philly went for 18 yards on 7 returns so maybe their specials teams aren't so great?
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yep and everytime he returned he got 10 yards. He did what he is supposed to do. I think ten is enough to get an evaluation but we will see in about a week. I'm more concerned over losing Ervin's kick returns at 25 yard avg and he only had ten of those.
 
badboy said:
yep and everytime he returned he got 10 yards. He did what he is supposed to do. I think ten is enough to get an evaluation but we will see in about a week. I'm more concerned over losing Ervin's kick returns at 25 yard avg and he only had ten of those.
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They needed a slot WR with Coutee out.

That lead to Ervin being cut.

This is Carter's chance to make an impression on the coaches for next yrs team.
 
badboy said:
yep and everytime he returned he got 10 yards. He did what he is supposed to do. I think ten is enough to get an evaluation but we will see in about a week. I'm more concerned over losing Ervin's kick returns at 25 yard avg and he only had ten of those.
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he did not get 10 yards on every return. He had a 42 yard return that severely skews his overall average because he has an incredibly small sample size of 10 returns. 10 of anything isn't a large enough sample size to truly get meaningful information out of it.
 
Shishkabob said:
he did not get 10 yards on every return. He had a 42 yard return that severely skews his overall average because he has an incredibly small sample size of 10 returns. 10 of anything isn't a large enough sample size to truly get meaningful information out of it.
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I get that but I will take a 42 yard return in every ten.
 
Shishkabob said:
he did not get 10 yards on every return. He had a 42 yard return that severely skews his overall average because he has an incredibly small sample size of 10 returns. 10 of anything isn't a large enough sample size to truly get meaningful information out of it.
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Same number of 40+ yard returns that Ervin had in 56 returns.
 
Texans cut wide receiver Malachi Dupre from practice squad, sign running back Josh Ferguson to practice squad (he was on our PS in Oct 2016.........for 1 week before being released)
 
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badboy said:
I think Ervin not being signed to our PS supports Doc's medical analysis of injury.
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Texans' Bill O'Brien explains decision to cut Tyler Ervin, add DeAndre Carter
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Nov. 12, 2018

The Texans' decision to cut their primary kick returner, Tyler Ervin, during the bye and claim DeAndre Carter off waivers from the Philadelphia Eagles as his replacement was a bit unexpected

The Texans had stuck with the former fourth-round draft pick from San Jose State for nearly three seasons.

Ervin returned from a torn patellar tendon suffered last year He had been steady this year, but not that explosive.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans cut wide receiver Malachi Dupre from practice squad, sign running back Josh Ferguson to practice squad (he was on our PS in Oct 2016.........for 1 week before being released)
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Doc, do you think they signed Ferguson just in case Foreman is not ready to come back? If I recall, some of your statements about Foreman's recovery and rehab weren't exactly glowing. Just wondering if the Texans are "hedging their bets" a little.
 
Insideop said:
Doc, do you think they signed Ferguson just in case Foreman is not ready to come back? If I recall, some of your statements about Foreman's recovery and rehab weren't exactly glowing. Just wondering if the Texans are "hedging their bets" a little.
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That's a good possibility as a potential stop gap in case that Foreman does not work out or one of the active RBs gets injured.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That's a good possibility as a potential stop gap in case that Foreman does not work out or one of the active RBs gets injured.
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hmm maybe, but he doesn't really have to build or skillset to be a 3 down back. I originally thought he was signed to replicate the Chris Thompson role as they are both similar builds and types of athletes, but it looks like Thompson will be out this game anyways. but maybe they are looking for a change of pace back?

Still kind of want to see Buddy Howell just cause
 
Shishkabob said:
he did not get 10 yards on every return. He had a 42 yard return that severely skews his overall average because he has an incredibly small sample size of 10 returns. 10 of anything isn't a large enough sample size to truly get meaningful information out of it.
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Takeaway the two or three long runs Barry Sanders had every game and was just an average back.
 
mussop said:
Takeaway the two or three long runs Barry Sanders had every game and was just an average back.
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except Barry had plenty of sample size to know it wasn't a 1 off thing, 1 good return out of 10 isn't enough to determine whether he is good or bad
 
I just dont get this take this out of his stats and he averages x per game. Do we throw out the best game of everyone else? The average is the average. Now would I look at RB's available, heck yeah, but let's not fiddle with stats. I can prove our OL is fine if given a few caveats when I hunt stats. Like I could probably pull some bad quarters and bang

We thought AP had an empty tank (or most the league did) and were wrong so kick tires. We are 6-3, keep improving the team
 
Shishkabob said:
except Barry had plenty of sample size to know it wasn't a 1 off thing, 1 good return out of 10 isn't enough to determine whether he is good or bad
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Is one big return out of 56 enough of a sample size to determine whether someone is good or bad?

I don't think anybody is saying Carter is going to be the next Whiteshoes. The Texans weren't happy with the job Ervin had done in 3 years, they're trying something else. Pretty simple stuff here.
 
Speedy said:
Is one big return out of 56 enough of a sample size to determine whether someone is good or bad?

I don't think anybody is saying Carter is going to be the next Whiteshoes. The Texans weren't happy with the job Ervin had done in 3 years, they're trying something else. Pretty simple stuff here.
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I think you're right.
Ervin was "safe" fielding punts, but was never really threatening.
His roster spot could be better filled with a more "versatile" type of player - like a #2 or #3 RB.
 
Speedy said:
Is one big return out of 56 enough of a sample size to determine whether someone is good or bad?

I don't think anybody is saying Carter is going to be the next Whiteshoes. The Texans weren't happy with the job Ervin had done in 3 years, they're trying something else. Pretty simple stuff here.
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his value as a slot receiver, and thus Coutee insurance was more likely the case for his pick up than his skills as a returner is all I'm saying. He could be a great returner, but to me pointing our him averaging 2 yards more a return over Ervin despite having less than half the returns is illogical. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be better, but we have no evidence one way or the other as it stands
 
Shishkabob said:
his value as a slot receiver, and thus Coutee insurance was more likely the case for his pick up than his skills as a returner is all I'm saying. He could be a great returner, but to me pointing our him averaging 2 yards more a return over Ervin despite having less than half the returns is illogical. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be better, but we have no evidence one way or the other as it stands
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I made a point similar to that in the Ervin thread. He was kinda forced to take more offensive snaps due to all the injuries to where they ultimately used Joe Webb instead. Had to make a change as Ervin was giving you nothing elsewhere.

Carter will be used the same way where his biggest contribution will be returns. Then as an emergency in the offense.
 
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Shishkabob said:
hmm maybe, but he doesn't really have to build or skillset to be a 3 down back. I originally thought he was signed to replicate the Chris Thompson role as they are both similar builds and types of athletes, but it looks like Thompson will be out this game anyways. but maybe they are looking for a change of pace back?

Still kind of want to see Buddy Howell just cause
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Didn't mean to imply that Ferguson and Foreman were "like for like" or similar backs. Just trying to "connect the dots" as to why they signed Ferguson (a guy they cut from the PS in 2016) back on the PS now. Just seems odd to do it now when they are evaluating Foreman on his return from the PUP list. If Foreman does well then everything is OK. If not, then they may need some RB bodies stashed on the PS in case Miller or Blue get hurt. To me it's just a sign that maybe they aren't too confident in Foreman's return. JMO.
 
Insideop said:
Didn't mean to imply that Ferguson and Foreman were "like for like" or similar backs. Just trying to "connect the dots" as to why they signed Ferguson (a guy they cut from the PS in 2016) back on the PS now. Just seems odd to do it now when they are evaluating Foreman on his return from the PUP list. If Foreman does well then everything is OK. If not, then they may need some RB bodies stashed on the PS in case Miller or Blue get hurt. To me it's just a sign that maybe they aren't too confident in Foreman's return. JMO.
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because PS churns are normally just to get similar athletes to what you are playing against that week. Which is why I said maybe they did it to mimic Chris Thompson, but he appears to be out this week. Does Washington have another smaller, shifty, back that is a receiving threat? It could be insurance since they released Ervin, but i highly doubt it
 
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