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Has Carr Ever Thrown Over The Middle???

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Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
 
If I'm not mistaken, TE Daniels is our leading receiver for TDs. He has become
deeply involved in our passing game, which was not the case before this year
except with some limited use of Billy whats-his-name during the first couple of years.
You'd be complaing that the Texans didn't throw to AJ on the 3 & 2 yesterday if Carr had thrown an incompletion to Daniels on the same play.
 
nunusguy said:
If I'm not mistaken, TE Daniels is our leading receiver for TDs. He has become
deeply involved in our passing game, which was not the case before this year
except with some limited use of Billy whats-his-name during the first couple of years.
You'd be complaing that the Texans didn't throw to AJ on the 3 & 2 yesterday if Carr had thrown an incompletion to Daniels on the same play.
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So the question remains.... has Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season???
 
the wonger need food said:
So the question remains.... has Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season???
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Yes, but you won't see many deep square-ins and intermediate routes over the middle until our OLine improves. Those routes require 7-step drops and time to develop. We don't do much of that and won't until 2007, hopefully.
 
the wonger need food said:
Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
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He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
 
the wonger need food said:
Which game was it?
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Yes he has but I don't remember which games.

When he does go deep over the middle, particularly between the hashes, he has problem getting over the linebacker. It seems to alway get tipped from that zone coverage.

Remember the Kansas City preseason game? It happened there and a couple of other times this season.

I have been saying the same thing about David throwing over the middle.

We had the running game yesterday, and the passing game still didn't look that good despite the 22 straight completions.

Bottom line, this offense has a real problem scoring points.
 
I think I recall a TD pass earlier this season to AJ where it was thrown down the middle (home game). :um: Even if true, it's not much to brag about.
 
the wonger need food said:
Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
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Tight ends don't open up the middle. Wide Receivers open up the middle. When you have two wide receivers on the sidelines and two tight ends in the game, you don't go over the middle. It's nonsense.

We went over the middle and attacked themiddle of the field when we went five wide against NYGiants. Carr can't go over the middle if no one is there over the middle.
 
kingh99 said:
He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
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A quote popped in my head when I read this.............


"It is far better to keep your mouth closed and be thought ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt"
 
kingh99 said:
He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
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...right...

His arm strengh is better than 90% of the QB's in the NFL and he can honestly make every throw asked of him. That is one of his biggest strengths and to ignore that or not even acknowledge it is ignorant.

His downfield vision is fine. He hits at least 2 bombs a week and looks downfield other times. Our O-line isn't good enough to let those plays develop with any consistency. When he has time, he hits his man. That's all you can ask out of your QB.
 
CarrIsFine said:
A quote popped in my head when I read this.............


"It is far better to keep your mouth closed and be thought ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt"
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Yeah, your guy has brought the city so much joy.

/wretches
 
YoungTexanFan said:
...right...

His arm strengh is better than 90% of the QB's in the NFL and he can honestly make every throw asked of him. That is one of his biggest strengths and to ignore that or not even acknowledge it is ignorant.

His downfield vision is fine. He hits at least 2 bombs a week and looks downfield other times. Our O-line isn't good enough to let those plays develop with any consistency. When he has time, he hits his man. That's all you can ask out of your QB.
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His downfield vision stinks and his arm is vastly overrated. See how easy it is to be an expert on the internet.
 
Anyone remember the rocket ship that Jermaine Lewis dropped? 50+ yards on a rope.. Perhaps he just threw it too hard.
 
Im not as concerned with Carr's arm strength as I am about his placement....

At times he'll make some awesome throws....then he'll come back and make a throw that makes you wonder....

He needs to be more consistent...
 
wasnt it the game against washington where he hit AJ over the middle and sean taylor yanked him out of bounce? nice throw

i agree he does make some great throws sometimes with excellent placement (to moulds a couple times yesterday) and other times he just cant put it in the right spot (going for his 23rd straight completion to AJ - pass too far behind him)
 
Carr's directional Split


Split....................COMP .........ATT........... YDS ............PCT ......TD
LEFT SIDE ...............46........... 67 ............448 .............68.7 .......3
MIDDLE ...................14 ...........24 .............81 .............58.3 ........0
RIGHT SIDE ..............38 ...........49 .............382 ............77.6 .......1

"Does Carr ever throw over the middle" ?

Barely....
 
"He hits at least 2 bombs a week"

...guess it depends on what your definition of 'bomb' is--longest completion is 53 yds to AJ/Moulds has one for 29 yds/Daniels has one for 33...JMO, but I wouldn't call the latter 2 'bombs'. 83yds? Yeah, that's a bomb.

Where are the other 19?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Carr's directional Split


Split....................COMP .........ATT........... YDS ............PCT ......TD
LEFT SIDE ...............46........... 67 ............448 .............68.7 .......3
MIDDLE ...................14 ...........24 .............81 .............58.3 ........0
RIGHT SIDE ..............38 ...........49 .............382 ............77.6 .......1

"Does Carr ever throw over the middle" ?

Barely....
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Nice
 
Carr averages 6.5 yds/ attempt for his career...

This year he's averaging 6.7....

poor...
 
kingh99 said:
He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
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Good points...let me add that his side-arm motion gets batted down at the line of scrimmage half the time. Carr is getting old real quick!
 
For any of you who sit in the end zone seats at home games, start watching the patterns and make note of how many times the team sends receivers down the seams (almost never). I'm not getting into any commentary as to why that is, but you can't see it on TV. You can when you're in the seats.
 
What are the stats of other QB's to compare to. Let me see the top 15 QB's and where they throw so that we can see where Carr is at.

The stat means nothing if we can't compare it to anything.
 
Peyton Manning
Split ..............COMP ..ATT ....YDS ....PCT.... TD
LEFT SIDE........ 41 .....63..... 519..... 65.1......5
MIDDLE .............33 ......46......425 ....71.7 ....2
RIGHT SIDE .......51 .......81 ......517 ....63.0 ....5
 
Drew Brees

Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE ......43 .......58 .....475 ....74.1 .....4
MIDDLE ..........30 .......45 .....336 .....66.7 ....2
RIGHT SIDE .......55 .....77 ......710 ....71.4 ......4
 
Phillip Rivers
Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE .......39 .......54 ......382 ...72.2 ......4
MIDDLE ...........19....... 29 ......299 ....65.5 .....0
RIGHT SIDE ......37 ........51 ......399 .....72.5 ...1
 
caddy said:
Good to see all the Carr haters singing their song. Well maybe a few have left the choir. Just one question, So you all feed-up with him.. Well think of it this way...LMAO .. You have a bunch of years too look foreward into loving him. He's been here for Years and will be here for many more Years. Enjoy, boys. :yahoo:
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Since you love my posts I'll simply respond by saying I'll vote with my feet. I am sure McNair isn't proud of his half empty stadium. I let out a shout in the first quarter that was probably heard all the way around the stadium. Quiet as a church in there.
 
Donavan McNabb
Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE .......37......... 62 .....515 ...59.7 .....2
MIDDLE ...........14 .........33 .....247 ....42.4.... .0
RIGHT SIDE .......54......... 75...... 809 ....72.0 ...4
 
eriadoc said:
For any of you who sit in the end zone seats at home games, start watching the patterns and make note of how many times the team sends receivers down the seams (almost never). I'm not getting into any commentary as to why that is, but you can't see it on TV. You can when you're in the seats.
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I sit in the endzone (500s) just for this reason. You get a much better view of the entire game.

I think they don't call the long seams much because of protection issues. We're unable to put up a consistent pocket that allows long-term trust to develop, so Carr has been conditioned to never trust the pocket over the years. It's a pathetic fact that we're still talking about a lousy line after five years, but that's just the way it is.
 
While watching a game on TV, the announcers went through a QB's passer rating by sectioning off the field similar to short, medium, and long, which was crossectioned with left, middle, and right.

I would like to see that breakdown for Carr. Actually, I would like to see that for all QBs.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Anyone remember the rocket ship that Jermaine Lewis dropped? 50+ yards on a rope.. Perhaps he just threw it too hard.
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I agree with Vinny, his deep throws haven't looked the same as that throw right there. I don't know what happened to those type of throws over the year.

yes he hummed that thing about 55 yards.. it used to be on youtube and has been taken off.
 
hollywood_texan said:
While watching a game on TV, the announcers went through a QB's passer rating by sectioning off the field similar to short, medium, and long, which was crossectioned with left, middle, and right.

I would like to see that breakdown for Carr. Actually, I would like to see that for all QBs.
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My guess would be that he fell somewhere in the middle of the pack.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Carr's directional Split


Split....................COMP .........ATT........... YDS ............PCT ......TD
LEFT SIDE ...............46........... 67 ............448 .............68.7 .......3
MIDDLE ...................14 ...........24 .............81 .............58.3 ........0
RIGHT SIDE ..............38 ...........49 .............382 ............77.6 .......1

"Does Carr ever throw over the middle" ?

Barely....
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I would guess that 23 of those attempts were under 10 yards.
 
coachdent said:
Tight ends don't open up the middle. Wide Receivers open up the middle.
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Obviously.


Our backup QB's haven't had a problem going down the middle of the field, but for some reason Carr can't do it. This offense isn't going to open up until he figures it out. Or until a different QB is running it.
 
coachdent said:
Tight ends don't open up the middle. Wide Receivers open up the middle. When you have two wide receivers on the sidelines and two tight ends in the game, you don't go over the middle. It's nonsense.
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Tight ends don't open up the middle of the field?

Then what is the point of having Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzales?

I live in LA and I see a lot of the Charger games. Rivers throws between the hashes over the linebacker to Gates regularly. That really softens up the rest of the field.
 
Double Barrel said:
I sit in the endzone (500s) just for this reason. You get a much better view of the entire game.

I think they don't call the long seams much because of protection issues. We're unable to put up a consistent pocket that allows long-term trust to develop, so Carr has been conditioned to never trust the pocket over the years. It's a pathetic fact that we're still talking about a lousy line after five years, but that's just the way it is.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one to recognize this. Gotta spread rep around.
 
Peyton Manning
Split ..............COMP ..ATT ....YDS ....PCT.... TD
LEFT SIDE........ 41 .....63..... 519..... 65.1......5
MIDDLE .............33 ......46......425 ....71.7 ....2
RIGHT SIDE .......51 .......81 ......517 ....63.0 ....5

Drew Brees
Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE ......43 .......58 .....475 ....74.1 .....4
MIDDLE ..........30 .......45 .....336 .....66.7 ....2
RIGHT SIDE .......55 .....77 ......710 ....71.4 ......4

Phillip Rivers
Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE .......39 .......54 ......382 ...72.2 ......4
MIDDLE ...........19....... 29 ......299 ....65.5 .....0
RIGHT SIDE ......37 ........51 ......399 .....72.5 ...1

Donavan McNabb
Split .............COMP .....ATT.. YDS ...PCT ....TD
LEFT SIDE .......37......... 62 .....515 ...59.7 .....2
MIDDLE ...........14 .........33 .....247 ....42.4.... .0
RIGHT SIDE .......54......... 75...... 809 ....72.0 ...4

Carr
Split....................COMP .........ATT........... YDS ............PCT ......TD
LEFT SIDE ...............46........... 67 ............448 .............68.7 .......3
MIDDLE ...................14 ...........24 .............81 .............58.3 ........0
RIGHT SIDE ..............38 ...........49 .............382 ............77.6 .......1



"Does Carr ever throw over the middle" ?

Barely....


Im not sure how they Get those Stats, but I see they are missing 5 TD's...

So that means they probably have a different way of counting left, right, middle....

But you can get the General Idea...:lightbulb:
 
So I think we have a pretty definitive answer. Carr does not throw the ball down the middle of the field. He has 81 yards on 14 completions for an average of about 5 yards per play. So these are mostly dump offs to a RB.

If you look at good QB's/offenses you will see they are a lot more successful throwing the ball down the middle of the field. Phillip Rivers average about 15 yards per pass and Manning is right around 13 yards.


Until Carr learns how to soften up the safeties by completing passes over the middle this offense is going to struggle and not make very many big plays.
 
the wonger need food said:
So I think we have a pretty definitive answer. Carr does not throw the ball down the middle of the field. He has 81 yards on 14 completions for an average of about 5 yards per play. So these are mostly dump offs to a RB.

If you look at good QB's/offenses you will see they are a lot more successful throwing the ball down the middle of the field. Phillip Rivers average about 15 yards per pass and Manning is right around 13 yards.


Until Carr learns how to soften up the safeties by completing passes over the middle this offense is going to struggle and not make very many big plays.
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Sweet ..... and here I was thinking that nothing was ever accomplished on this MB .... :redtowel:
 
Double Barrel said:
I sit in the endzone (500s) just for this reason. You get a much better view of the entire game.

I think they don't call the long seams much because of protection issues. We're unable to put up a consistent pocket that allows long-term trust to develop, so Carr has been conditioned to never trust the pocket over the years. It's a pathetic fact that we're still talking about a lousy line after five years, but that's just the way it is.
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I agree, just as was the case on the INT Sunday,Carr could not follow thru as there was a Dlineman right in front of him.
 
Nope.

He's never ever thrown over the middle.

WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?

Do you guys actually filter what you're thinking before you post it?

You're a vet around here, Wonger. I'd expect better from you than that.

I've seen a pass over the middle in perhaps every game.

Do we have to go back and break down film and show you the dozens and dozens of times when he has thrown over the middle?

Goodness gracious.................:lightbulb:
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Do we have to go back and break down film and show you the dozens and dozens of times when he has thrown over the middle
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I posted the stats....

Carr's over the middle passing game is weak/poor.....

Look at the stats man....

He hasn't thrown over the middle "dozens and dozens" of times....:lightbulb:
 
Even if it was proven that he regularly threw down the middle, people would make it irrelevant, claiming they were all dumpoffs. So in the end, it just ends up being another chance to bash Carr for whatever you feel like at the moment.
 
dtran04 said:
Even if it was proven that he regularly threw down the middle, people would make it irrelevant, claiming they were all dumpoffs. So in the end, it just ends up being another chance to bash Carr for whatever you feel like at the moment.
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He has thrown over the middle quanity wise about on par with everyone else....

But he only averages about 5.7 y/comp. over the middle....
 
Hillarious.....

There are several earlier threads that vehemently state that stats mean nothing......... Now, all we discussing or comparing are stats....

I guess some people were born to talk out of both sides of their mouths!
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I posted the stats....

Carr's over the middle passing game is weak/poor.....

Look at the stats man....

He hasn't thrown over the middle "dozens and dozens" of times....:lightbulb:
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That wasn't Wonger's question, broseph.

It was, let me see if I can paraphrase this correctly, "Has Carr EVER thrown over the middle?"

His intent was to say that the guy is incapable of throwing over the middle. Well, I guess we see that he has INDEED thrown over the middle.

Now is it as good as other QBs? No. Is it in the middle of the pack? Appears to be.

For a team that's last (or near last) in other categories, being in the middle isn't so bad when you keep that in perpsective.

So let's keep it real, OK?

Like someone said, "It's just another chance to pick something to bash him about." It's as obvious as the nose on our faces.
 
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