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State of the O-line
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maverick512000
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Could be you're right, numbers can be twisted but they don't lie. It certainly seemed like every time we turned around there was Miller running up the middle and there was the other team's D waiting to give him a hug. I don't know maybe if some of those runs had been more successful it wouldn't have seemed as bad.
Again numbers don't lie and you are right but that doesn't change the fact that the offense was predictable but had enough talent to overcome that predictability. This has always been my biggest dig against BoB he doesn't really change his system based on the players. This even ties in to what you hate about the way they draft and do F/A. They seem to look more to see if a player will fit their system over everything else.
Yes all teams look for players that they feel will fit but the Texans seem to take it to another level. Its almost like putting together a puzzle. You can be putting a 1000 piece puzzle together and be missing one piece and the puzzle is forever incomplete. The other 999 don't matter because you are missing that one piece. I'm just worried we will always be missing that one piece that makes the picture complete in BoB's system. Before it was a QB, now its the Oline, what's next, a RB or maybe by then Watt has retired and we need to rebuild the defense? Does BoB have to every single piece fit just right or can he cut up the picture so that it may not be perfect but it still is good enough to go on the wall?
I get your fear.
A healthy WFV and Scharping/Howard playing at an avg level will alleviate those fears.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Pathetic go to when you have no argument.
But let's mark that one for the record, steelb's football acumen ends at run v pass.
Mark whatever the hell you want.
Just quit moving the goalposts while you're at it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Let's not put too much on those youngsters just yet. They might not start this year because of them being projects. Let's hope Henderson stays healthy as well as play average . And Davenport plays average.
Or those two youngsters flat out beat them for the starting jobs.
But to the they can also tamper down those fears by truly teaching Watson to do what he did in his rookie year. And that's to get the ball out his hands quickly.
Davenport will never be avg. I could see Henderson starting at RT.
Agreed about Watson.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Here you go again bashing those that you don't like instead of actually giving them a shot. Let the youngster proves his worth. You've been talking negative about him since day one.
Devlin led us to 11 wins and the 2nd most points scored in franchise history.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Lol.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
IIRC our tackles graded well in RB. The inside is where I remember most of the penetration.
The entire OL sucked. They were 32nd in running the ball when you take out Watson's yds. I'm just hoping the new additions can shore up the 62 sacks next yr. Fixing both in one yr is a tall task.
Imagine how many points we'll score and wins we'll get
Hopefully if Gaine/Devlin hit on Howard/Scharping this could happen. Particularly if WFV/ Coutee stay healthy
Could also help if O'Brien does something
You said this last offseason and again this offseason.
You going for the trifecta next offseason?
If the OT's play well, I'm betting with a healthy WFV/Coutee and hopefully Warring can contribute this season the offense will look alt better.
Also while the offense they will face will be much better the defenses the Texans face next yr aren't as good as the ones they faced last yr. The offense really needs to carry its share of the load next season.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Give the youngster a shot. You've been bashing since we drafted him. These other two youngsters come from small schools too but you're given then a shot.
Last yr was his shot and it's not just me, Gaine drafted 2 OT's in rds 1-2 for a reason.
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HaveMercy
Passing Through
Some OLinemen take several+ years to hit their stride. There was an OLineman (sorry, I'm striking out on his name, cob webs won't let me see) the Oilers took when he was young. He didn't play up to snuff so they let him go. He played elsewhere for awhile and bulked up considerably as I recall (legally? I don't know). I also recall him saying he discovered the weight room. The Oilers brought him back and he became a mainstay in the OL for several years.
I'm sure hoping someone reading this post can fact check my "memory". But there's bound to be other OLinemen who took more than 3-4 seasons to really peak.
I'm sure hoping someone reading this post can fact check my "memory". But there's bound to be other OLinemen who took more than 3-4 seasons to really peak.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Trouble is in the modern NFL of same day draft grades if a rookie doesn't look like he is going to play like a 5 year vet the moment he steps foot on the field then people are calling it a bust. Likewise if the drafting doesn't match what at least 3 of the mocks predict then people are calling it a failed draft. Use to they said it took rookies 2-3 years to really hit their stride going from college to the NFL but now they are lucky if people give them 2-3 months.
Not true, a drafted OL usually gets 2 yrs to prove he can play at a NFL avg level. When an OL looks as bad as Davenport did last yr, then be rest assured you're going to see OL drafted in Rds 1-2. In fact most franchises would spend $$$$ in FA along with drafting OL in rds 1-2. The OL was that bad last yr. OT's in particular, not that the IOL was very good either.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Well first I never mentioned Davenport nor even really thought about him and second no in the minds of most people nobody gets 2 years. want proof, look at already how many are saying Howard was a bad pick and that we should have drafted someone that can play on day one. Doesn't sound like giving someone 2 years to me.
I never said Howard is a bad pick, I dont think many posters have said that. Most people have said that they have little faith in Devlin being able to develop an avg athlete into a viable LT and hope they're wrong.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yup. Picked too high is not bad pick as in the player can't produce.
Most people have little faith that OBrien can start them at the right positions
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I think we're actually talking about two different evaluations.
One is from the media, TTalk folks, "experts", and outsiders in general. These are the folks that often come to rapid evaluations based on very limited information. It makes for a lot of enjoyable and excited conversation, but carries no weight whatsoever.
The other one...the only one that really counts...is what that player's coaches and GM see in him. There's no way they're giving up on a guy before training camp and a chance to work with him. Only rarely will they give up on a guy after the first season, though by that time he may be tagged as a backup.
Even the marginal players, as long as they're contributing something and showing growth potential, will get more time. Maybe that's only on the practice squad, but the team won't get rid of a guy until they have a better player to upgrade the position.
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maverick512000
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And I wasn't just talking about people on this MB, though some have said that here as well, nor did I say that you said he was a bad pick.
maverick512000
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I agree with you but the first one is really the only thing people have to talk about because teams tend to not let people know what their inner workings look like. I can count on one hand the number of times I can recall an active GM or coach say something bad about a player and those were only after they had left a team. Can't remember once where it was about an active roster member, though the time with Osweiler came pretty close.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Well give the man two years then. Not 1 year. His first season doesn't count because they mainly used him as a blocking TE.
Oh and where did you get this two year window from. You using it as a fact verses your opinion.
Last thing the youngster improved towards then end.
infantrycak
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LZ said he was a 3 year project. This is year 3.
CloakNNNdagger
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Is it the clay that's dried out, or the modeler whose missing both hands and has one rusty hook?Have you ever tried to mold a piece of old dried out clay?
maverick512000
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Is it the clay that's dried out, or the modeler whose missing both hands and has one rusty hook?
And an eye patch, that's why we never have any depth on our Oline.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Have you ever tried to mold a piece of old dried out clay?
Is that like cutting into day old meatloaf at the diner?
Don't want to know which diner you go to
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I'll tell you anyway. It's called Dayold's Diner. I think OB goes there to work on the game plans.
It's down the street and across the way from Ma's Home Cooking. While there one day, I asked, "Hey, all the times I've been here, I've never seen Ma. Where is she?" Without looking up, the lady behind the counter answered, "Why it's just like the sign says. Ma's home cooking."
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This is more of an opportunity to grade LZ that anyone else.
Are you comparing 2019 1.23 to old dried out clay? Too lazy to scroll through the back story. If you are, I disagree.Have you ever tried to mold a piece of old dried out clay?
He's talking about Davenport, so you actually agree.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I kind of thought the dried out clay & disabled modeler metaphors might have been referring to Devlin's ability to adapt and change as well as Davenport's potential. But what do I know.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Trying to coach up someone like Davenport to elite status.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
If JDavenport doesn't have the physical traits needed to be a good LT or even a keeper backup tackle, does he exhibit the traits to move inside to Guard or Center & compete for a spot there as a starter or backup?
I don't know and am asking. I've probably missed previous in-depth discussion on this, but it's possible that the early analysis is no longer completely valid.
For instance, is he significantly stronger now, especially upper body? He's got great size, that's for sure. Is he too tall or not have enough bend to move inside?
There are several Google links to articles about Davenport, but everything I saw is older and stuff you guys have seen previously.
I'm asking because I'd really like to see him find a way and a place to contribute here.
I don't know and am asking. I've probably missed previous in-depth discussion on this, but it's possible that the early analysis is no longer completely valid.
For instance, is he significantly stronger now, especially upper body? He's got great size, that's for sure. Is he too tall or not have enough bend to move inside?
There are several Google links to articles about Davenport, but everything I saw is older and stuff you guys have seen previously.
I'm asking because I'd really like to see him find a way and a place to contribute here.
not in a long time, but it CAN be doneHave you ever tried to mold a piece of old dried out clay?
....but the sculptor should be (at least) half-way knowledgeable/proficient
https://www.wikihow.com/Revive-Dry-Clay
CloakNNNdagger
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Undoubtedly, you are such an ingenious engineer mind!!!!not in a long time, but it CAN be done
....but the sculptor should be (at least) half-way knowledgeable/proficient
https://www.wikihow.com/Revive-Dry-Clay
