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Is the OL fixed?

Is the OL fixed?

  • Yes, Watson will be among the least sacked QBs in the league

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Hell no, but I can't do anything about it.

    Votes: 56 90.3%
  • Total voters
    62
powda said:
I wonder, what would suffice for most of you in the draft? What addition of talent would make you pause and think, we might be ok on the line?

For me, I need an Lt in the first 2 rounds and an oc/OG in our first 4 picks.

In preseason, I want to see Watson move through his progressions faster, at least 1 other linemen show marked improvement (dav, rank, martin,) 3 step play calls on 3rd and short, improved blocking from one of our te's, the threat of a swing pass or well executed screen to a rb, hard counts on 3rd down that slow a rush, and short routes on blitzes. I keep hearing about this thing called a slant route. Might be nice?
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I'd be happy with this, too, provided the guys we draft turn out to be solid, good players. I really like the part about other linemen showing a lot of improvement, but I'm hoping for two. Unless Mancz is hurt, I'd like to see him at Center and Martin moved to guard. I'd also like 3 step drops, but on more than 3rd and short. That will do a lot to help the OL. Improved blocking from the tight ends is a big YES. Adding some swing passes and screens and more use of slant routes...all of that is good and will make my heart go pitta patta next season. I'm really excited to see the impact the new QB coach will have on DWatson. I'm hoping he'll be able to speed up Watson's decision making. Overall, I find a lot of entertainment value in anticipating the draft and whatever other changes that may be in store. Let it happen!
 
HaveMercy said:
I'd be happy with this, too, provided the guys we draft turn out to be solid, good players. I really like the part about other linemen showing a lot of improvement, but I'm hoping for two. Unless Mancz is hurt, I'd like to see him at Center and Martin moved to guard. I'd also like 3 step drops, but on more than 3rd and short. That will do a lot to help the OL. Improved blocking from the tight ends is a big YES. Adding some swing passes and screens and more use of slant routes...all of that is good and will make my heart go pitta patta next season. I'm really excited to see the impact the new QB coach will have on DWatson. I'm hoping he'll be able to speed up Watson's decision making. Overall, I find a lot of entertainment value in anticipating the draft and whatever other changes that may be in store. Let it happen!
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Any players drafted in the first 3 rounds you hope are good solid players. Mancz has battled injuries his entire career to date. We all hope for a quicker, less stress offense but do you really see it? Time will tell if OB/Watson have learned
 
Number19 said:
I do not believe in "best player available". There is no such thing. What there are, are bubbles of players all graded out closely for areas where each draft pick falls. For this draft, we need to draft for position of need and our number one need, in my opinion, is offensive line.

Draft boards are subjective and no two are exactly the same, and almost all are changing right up to the day of the draft. The drafting guide that I like has the players I named falling in the draft position bubbles of our picks.

What one should take away from my wish list is not so much the individual players I wish for, but rather the strategy of a top heavy draft of offensive linemen to address what I consider our primary need.
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I'm more into drafting for need then the "bpa mantra." Like you, I don't believe there's much distance between the 2 usually. Now, I know that's the kind of sentiment that will have some posters falling out of their chairs ready to argue. This is a message board and that's what people do ,but hear me out...

If we draft heavy for need in 1-2 consecutive years, I think it frees up most of a following draft to go purely bpa.

Imagine a cycle where we saturation draft our needs and weaknesses fixing them in one swing. Need 2 ol? Draft 4. Probability favors us. And we'd get to a point every other year where we enter the draft with minor needs. It would allow us to find multiple jewels like reed.

So in essence, dedicate 1 draft heavy on positional need. Have the freedom to draft what you want in the next. Rinse and repeat. I know that's a formula that isn't always possible due to injuries, retirements, and fa losses, but I think some version of that m.o. would work.
 
powda said:
I'm more into drafting for need then the "bpa mantra." Like you, I don't believe there's much distance between the 2 usually. Now, I know that's the kind of sentiment that will have some posters falling out of their chairs ready to argue. This is a message board and that's what people do ,but hear me out...

If we draft heavy for need in 1-2 consecutive years, I think it frees up most of a following draft to go purely bpa.

Imagine a cycle where we saturation draft our needs and weaknesses fixing them in one swing. Need 2 ol? Draft 4. Probability favors us. And we'd get to a point every other year where we enter the draft with minor needs. It would allow us to find multiple jewels like reed.

So in essence, dedicate 1 draft heavy on positional need. Have the freedom to draft what you want in the next. Rinse and repeat. I know that's a formula that isn't always possible due to injuries, retirements, and fa losses, but I think some version of that m.o. would work.
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Methinks it's mostly BPA at a position of need. This year that means OL/CB/IDL

Any of above works at 23 for me
 
JB said:
Methinks it's mostly BPA at a position of need. This year that means OL/CB/IDL

Any of above works at 23 for me
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One would hope. Until they do some off schedule crap like drafting a wr or te in the first. I used to be big on the draft studying prospects every year. And every draft we mostly know what positions we need the most help at. And every year we pull some fruity bs outsmarting ourselves. It's one of the reasons I stopped caring so much about who our 5th rd pick is.
 
Number19 said:
I want a serious effort at addressing the OL. The draft is always a hit or miss stategem, but I want to see the effort by the organization.

My wish list is an OT in the first, any one of five: William's, Dillard, Taylor, Little or Risner.

One of our two seconds to be a C/OG: Lindstrom or McGovern. Also Elgton Jenkins, but he may be a bit of a reach in the second.

Our third to be another tackle, but one who may not be expected to start: Tytus Howard or Max Scharping.

I do not believe in "best player available". There is no such thing. What there are, are bubbles of players all graded out closely for areas where each draft pick falls. For this draft, we need to draft for position of need and our number one need, in my opinion, is offensive line.

Draft boards are subjective and no two are exactly the same, and almost all are changing right up to the day of the draft. The drafting guide that I like has the players I named falling in the draft position bubbles of our picks.

What one should take away from my wish list is not so much the individual players I wish for, but rather the strategy of a top heavy draft of offensive linemen to address what I consider our primary need.
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The only thing that BPA says (differently than what's posted above) that if there is a player by our team's subjective ranking that has a clear, positive separation versus the normal bubble of players, then the team should take that player.
 
powda said:
I'm more into drafting for need then the "bpa mantra." Like you, I don't believe there's much distance between the 2 usually. Now, I know that's the kind of sentiment that will have some posters falling out of their chairs ready to argue. This is a message board and that's what people do ,but hear me out...

If we draft heavy for need in 1-2 consecutive years, I think it frees up most of a following draft to go purely bpa.
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Of course. As long as you hit on those draft picks, or you have the coaching to maximize whatever player you get.

Drafting for need is what got the Jagiars Blaine Gabbert & not half a dozen better players. Granted we benefited from that & haven't done much better (but still consistently better overall since 2011).

Like you said, bpa & need aren't really that far apart. If you have two or three players graded higher than a player of need, it would be foolish to take bpa, especially if the gap is minimal.

But when I hear need (& I'm nobody) I understand drafting an OL you have rated as the 43rd best prospect in this draft at 23. Which i cant get behind.

& please don't draft (not you, just thinking out loud) a guy most likely to play guard in the NFL if you need a tackle.

Personally, I don't care if the guy the Texans want is rated as an UDFA & we take him in the 5th. They just better have the coaching to make it work (looking at you Devlin). Make it work.
 
thunderkyss said:
If Bryan Urlacher is there at 23 I hope they do the right thing.
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Yeah, if a guy you have as top 5 on your board falls, then by all means you take him, but how often is it that you will have a guy you have no need for will you have ranked that high on your board? For instance this year, if Kylar Murray fell I wouldn't think the Texans should take him. Not every team will have players ranked similar to other teams or common perception
 
JB said:
Yeah, if a guy you have as top 5 on your board falls, then by all means you take him, but how often is it that you will have a guy you have no need for will you have ranked that high on your board? For instance this year, if Kylar Murray fell I wouldn't think the Texans should take him. Not every team will have players ranked similar to other teams or common perception
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Thing is almost every team has some level of need at all but a few positions every season. It would be much shorter to look at a team and list no need positions.

QB makes the no need list more often than other positions because there's only one on the field and teams don't rotate them.
 
cameronkrazie86 said:
Nope. It's why I'm all for only drafting offensive linemen and a corner or two - that's it. Keep drafting offensive linemen until you find some competent ones to protect the franchise QB.
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And then you end up reaching and having a bunch of crap talent. They need to draft best available and they should have done better in free agency than Matt kalil and seantrel Henderson
 
TheKDog said:
And then you end up reaching and having a bunch of crap talent. They need to draft best available and they should have done better in free agency than Matt kalil and seantrel Henderson
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Gotta spend the $$$$.

The Texans spending $$$$ in FA = LMAO
 
TheKDog said:
And then you end up reaching and having a bunch of crap talent. They need to draft best available and they should have done better in free agency than Matt kalil and seantrel Henderson
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How is that different than how they've done it?
 
They were willing to make Solders the top paid OT and he chose the Giants. But we're not willing to spend money in FA.

And I'm pretty darn sure the offer to Brown was top notch.
 
otisbean said:
I agree with this if the player warrants it. I worry about paying big bucks to average/pretty good players
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Where do you think Trent Brown shakes out?

I'd like them to bring in proven talent & spend the capital to do it. A first round pick for Amari Cooper, yeah. Trent Brown, not so much & I'm sure they offered him more than I'd be comfortable with.

Why do I think so? Because they gave Kalil more than I'm comfortable with.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Brock was considered at that time the top FA QB and we did what again?
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Right.

And they got burned, so they quit trying in FA.

A brilliant strategy.

How about trying something new or they will continue to be a mediocre on the field product.
 
With the draft one day away, it is obvious that we agree, that the offensive line is not fixed. Serious Question .... Does Anyone know if our left side -side youngsters have improved over the off - season ? Not limited to we, the faithful board members .... more importantly, O'Brien, Gaines and company. We just had or are still having a mini - camp of sorts. Did we find out if they are growing into their positions ? We don't have, or even have the makings of, a right tackle. What we do have is the makings of a Franchise Quarterback. You know there are precious few of them .... despite the number of QB's taken in the 1st round each year. If I realize this conundrum, surely our front office does .... don't you think ... or what do you think ?
 
I think Texans believe they have an oline that if it remains healthy and can play together plus a more experienced Watson who knows he can be injured and still lead team to Ws will be a good team. If they move JD they have more chances to upgrade team. This draft will tell much about how players are appraised by coaching. I'm not complaining until I see how next few days develop.
 
thunderkyss said:
Where do you think Trent Brown shakes out?

I'd like them to bring in proven talent & spend the capital to do it. A first round pick for Amari Cooper, yeah. Trent Brown, not so much & I'm sure they offered him more than I'd be comfortable with.

Why do I think so? Because they gave Kalil more than I'm comfortable with.
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I’d put Brown in the average/pretty good category. I might have signed him but I’d be worried. His best season came under ideal conditions.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would overpay for a slightly above avg FA LT to protect Watson.

You have to overpay for the sins of bad past drafting in FA.
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I'm ok with being cap conscious in general, especially when we don't have a lot to work with.

But (as you know) we have a lot of cap space.

No 2-3 players making a few million more then market value this year was going to hurt us long term. But they damn sure would make a difference on the field.

What's the point in being a billionaire if you choose to live in a cardboard box?

Cap space is a commodity like draft picks. Not using so much is like having 9 picks but only selecting 6 players.
 
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