Is the OL fixed?

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Is the OL fixed?

  1. Yes, Watson will be among the least sacked QBs in the league

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  2. Hell no, but I can't do anything about it.

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  1. infantrycak

    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    The last thing you could say about Jimmy Johnson was micromanager. He rarely interceded in the play calling. And most of those weren't on the play per se but on a statement he wanted to make, e.g. he wanted to make a statement after a turnover, would tell Norv "big play here." He told him the desired result not the specific play.
     
  2. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    True

    Jimmy Johnson was involved in all levels of personnel decisions and did most of his work on the defensive side of the ball. Particularly after Wannstedt left.
     
  3. HaveMercy

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    Maverick512000, that's an excellent comment. I really like the way you've expressed some (probably) hard-earned life lessons that fit a lot of scenarios, not just football. Thank you.
     
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    powda Team BLEACH!

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    I wonder, what would suffice for most of you in the draft? What addition of talent would make you pause and think, we might be ok on the line?

    For me, I need an Lt in the first 2 rounds and an oc/OG in our first 4 picks.

    In preseason, I want to see Watson move through his progressions faster, at least 1 other linemen show marked improvement (dav, rank, martin,) 3 step play calls on 3rd and short, improved blocking from one of our te's, the threat of a swing pass or well executed screen to a rb, hard counts on 3rd down that slow a rush, and short routes on blitzes. I keep hearing about this thing called a slant route. Might be nice?
     
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    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    I don't care about order (but reserve the right to beotch about the individual picked) but hope to see the top 4 picks include 2 OL, 1 CB & 1 RB. Won't be bent if DL sneaks in based on how things fall.

    The way things are mocking out, staying at #23, Jacobs or Dillard look like prime suspects.
     
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    powda Team BLEACH!

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    Hope Dillard is there. I think greedy is it.
     
  7. banned1976

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    Either/or would be fine with me. If Gaine goes anything but OL or CB, strictly BPA we’ll know he really is a BPA GM and all bets are off.
     
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  8. powda

    powda Team BLEACH!

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    Reid was bpa last year. And maybe they thought Adkins was. 2/3.

    We'll get a real baseline off this draft.
     
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    powda Team BLEACH!

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    Maybe reid was bpa.
    Rankin was need.
    Adkins was coaches pick.

    Rinse and repeat. Is this their m.o.?
     
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    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    Dillard @ #23 I have no problem. Greedy over Jacobs I will be slightly upset not because of position but because I think Jacobs is more talented.

    Jacobs is still a need position & could pull a lot of pressure off Watson.
     


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    I don’t know. Since O’Brien arrived I’ve been somewhat puzzled by some of their picks. With Kubiak I knew what he wanted to do on offense. I have no earthly idea what BoB wants to do. Just “the more you can do” tag line, code for versatility. I don’t want a left tackle that is known for being versatile. I want a left tackle that is exceptional at playing left tackle. That’s it.
     
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    powda Team BLEACH!

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    Agreed. I'm working purely off last year's draft. (And guessing.)

    Bpa.
    Need.
    Coach pick.

    Recycle in no particular order.
     
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    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    I like Greedy

    You sure are high on Jacobs, who would you compare him too?
     
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    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    I hate comparisons. Use historical ones and sh!t goes into over sell or under sell. If I mention balance and Emmitt there will be howls of rage. Pick someone recent, like LZ said Sony Michel, and it's unproven.

    He's an every down RB in my low center of gravity style, catches easily so safety valve threat, can stick & go, patient which is something rarely seen in a Texans uniform, gets the last yard out of a run (like DD always milked one more body length), has some zone stretch/cut in him. So yeah, I like him.

    What don't you like?
     
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    I don't know & wouldn't know. Years past I would have gone through all the names that have popped up since January. Watching highlights, analysis, game film, to kind of form my own opinion. But this year, I'm just not feeling it.

    I'm very close to thinking, with these clowns it just doesn't matter. I know talent is an issue. I know we haven't invested prime capital on offense until recently... but I'm starting to think there was a reason for that.

    With Gibbs, it wasn't necessary. With Devlin it's a waste of resources.

    So yeah, I'll be excited & pleased if we draft OL with three of the first four picks. But I bet we won't be happy with them, any of them, just two years from now.
     
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    I like him, just not in the 1st rd. He's a well rounded back, My comparison for him would be Ajayi with better hands. Best case scenario would be Kareem Hunt or maybe Dalvin Cook.

    2 things give me pause, 1. He couldn't beat out Damien Harris for the starting job. 2. I have a bias against drafting Alabam RB's before the 3rd rd. Look at how many of them have washed out.
     
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    Agree. Nail down one spot and that means less fiddling with the line.
    Ultimately you want 5 guys that don't need to be constantly moved around trying to find their fit and this gives a chance for cohesion on that line to form.
    A cohesive unit of even average guys might only give you an average line but if that puts us in the middle of the pack then that lifts our line substantially from where it is now.
     
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    Just politics. Harris was a senior and Jacobs a junior. They split time close to evenly.
     
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    I want a serious effort at addressing the OL. The draft is always a hit or miss stategem, but I want to see the effort by the organization.

    My wish list is an OT in the first, any one of five: William's, Dillard, Taylor, Little or Risner.

    One of our two seconds to be a C/OG: Lindstrom or McGovern. Also Elgton Jenkins, but he may be a bit of a reach in the second.

    Our third to be another tackle, but one who may not be expected to start: Tytus Howard or Max Scharping.

    I do not believe in "best player available". There is no such thing. What there are, are bubbles of players all graded out closely for areas where each draft pick falls. For this draft, we need to draft for position of need and our number one need, in my opinion, is offensive line.

    Draft boards are subjective and no two are exactly the same, and almost all are changing right up to the day of the draft. The drafting guide that I like has the players I named falling in the draft position bubbles of our picks.

    What one should take away from my wish list is not so much the individual players I wish for, but rather the strategy of a top heavy draft of offensive linemen to address what I consider our primary need.
     
  20. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    I would like to see OT/CB in the first and CB/OT/CB/DL i the second
     

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