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Game plan per opponent, eh?

Mangler

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Someone needs to have a serious talk with O’Brien, and bluntly tell him that his lack of actual scheme/identity circus has gone on for far too long.

What we saw in 2017 was all Watson improvising as he had the freedom to run the plays he felt comfortable with. The success he had before he tore his ACL was in spite of O’Brien, not because of him. Now O’Brien gets a taste of success because of Watson and he thinks he can go back to his retarded “Game plan per opponent” bullsh1t, and the offense all of a sudden looks like it always has under him since 2014.

It’s clear that he’s way in over his head, and he needs a reality check. He’s not Belichick, and he’ll never be Belichick. He’s just not NFL Head Coach material.

You guys can keep giving him all the passes y’all want. I’m out...

FIRE O’BRIEN!
 
Pretty sure that Watson wasn't drawing up plays in the huddle last year. Of course BOB got the O on the same page and should be credited for installing an offense the Watson could succeed in. Teams have film on him and are are giving W different looks and our OT's are arguably playing worse than they did last year so it isn't shocking that we didn't pick up right where we left off w/ W last year. But we shouldn’t have regressed to how we looked in game 1 last year vs Jacksonville. The biggest problem I have with BOB is his lack of aggression. You know our OT’s are struggling. Call a QB draw or designed bootleg keeper followed by a similar look where W dumps it off. Give them something to be concerned about so they can’t tee off with their pass rush and get them on their heels until you can get your passing game going. Again and again he comes into games with something in his head that worked when he was coaching Brady only to figure out by half time that it isn’t working. Be smarter than that. Know going into the game that your OT’s can’t hold blocks for 2 seconds – don’t get taken off guard by it. This offense can still be as good as it was last year but BOB is going to have to be much more aggressive. I don’t think he has this in his nature though and it’s why I think he’s got to go.
 
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Pretty sure that Watson wasn't drawing up plays in the huddle last year. Of course BOB got the O on the same page and should be credited for installing an offense the Watson could succeed in. Teams have film on him and are are giving W different looks and our OT's are arguably playing worse than they did last year so it isn't shocking that we didn't pick up right where we left off w/ W last year. But we shouldn’t have regressed to how we looked in game 1 last year vs Jacksonville. The biggest problem I have with BOB is his lack of aggression. You know our OT’s are struggling. Call a QB draw or designed bootleg followed by a similar look where W dumps it off. Give them something to be concerned about so they can’t tee off with their pass rush and get them on their heels until you can get your passing game going. Again and again he comes into games with something in his head that worked when he was coaching Brady only to figure out by half time that it isn’t working. Be smarter than that. Know going into the game that your OT’s can’t hold blocks for 2 seconds – don’t get taken off guard by it. This offense can still be as good as it was last year but BOB is going to have to be much more aggressive. I don’t think he has this in his nature though and it’s why I think he’s got to go.
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I somewhat agree. He’s just a stubborn sumbetch who insists on doing what New England does, even though it’s obviously NOT WORKING! It sickens me to see what Andy Reid is doing with Mahommes, and then I imagine how good Watson would probably look operating Reid’s offense compared to this inexcusable mess O’Brien has created in Houston. I wish we could steal a real HC from somewhere, but O’Brien may go on to finish his extension, and maybe even get a new one. Smh
 
Mangler said:
I somewhat agree. He’s just a stubborn sumbetch who insists on doing what New England does, even though it’s obviously NOT WORKING! It sickens me to see what Andy Reid is doing with Mahommes, and then I imagine how good Watson would probably look operating Reid’s offense compared to this inexcusable mess O’Brien has created in Houston. I wish we could steal a real HC from somewhere, but O’Brien may go on to finish his extension, and maybe even get a new one. Smh
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Reid did let Mahomes sit and learn last season. # Avoided injuries.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Reid did let Mahomes sit and learn last season. # Avoided injuries.
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Mahomes is also playing on a much better franchise across the board. That offense was legit without him, defense is solid, and ST are dangerous. Watson has to win games for us, Mahomes has to not lose games for them.

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Watching the game, the offense looked terrible. Yeah stats were put up/padded but the flow of the offense was bad. Why draft TEs and not use them to help our sturggling tackles? Why are the RB/TE not chipping on the end? It baffles me that we know our OT can't pass block but we don't help them. We need a body at the end of the line every play; worst case it opens a lane for DW4 to scramble though, best case we have a pocket. LOTS of room for improvement in game plan and execution.
 
While Keke was out, Carter was able to contribute. The minute Keke returns, Carter disappears from the offense. Yet we run 3 and 4 WR sets. I never felt DT was integrated in the offense. We go games without throwing to the rookie TEs. Our offensive formations doesn’t seem to take advantage of down and distance. See empty backfield on 4th and 1 while Colts are spying Watson.

I’m starting to think O’Brien’s game plan offense is not attacking a team’s defensive weaknesses or scheme. The game plan is to run the ball, pass 25 times a game while targeting Hopkins on 50 to 75% of the passes.

I don’t think that game plan works against the better teams and O’Brien’s record against winning teams is the proof.
 
PapaL said:
Yeah stats were put up/padded but the flow of the offense was bad.
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And that flow has been bad all season, and it's because they get behind schedule so often, 2nd and long, 3rd and long. Texans had the 5th worst average yards gained on 1st down. Hell, their 2nd play of the game was 2nd and 10. 45% of their 2nd downs were 10 yards to go or more yesterday. Hard to flow like that. Especially with a bad o-line and a defense knowing you're more likely to throw on 2nd and long.
 
Aaron Colvin healthy scratch in favor of Shareece Wright was a god damn disgrace.

Bill OBrien getting surprised by the old ass Tampa 2 was a god damn disgrace.

O'Brien dialing up bad pass plays on first down only to then run up the middle on 2nd down by 3 scores is a god damn disgrace.

Most painfully for me was watching Watson get swallowed up by a more prepared team/defense and sink further and further into the quicksand.

Accountability starts at the top and Bill OBrien **** the bed yesterday.

Those are facts ... Let the OBrien reach around squad spin it how they want.

"Duur duur no offensive line, no cornerbacks, give Gaine a chance"

**** all that. Disgusting job of preparing a team for a playoff game and then did y'all see the body language during post game presser? Hands in his pockets .. swaying side to side. He knew he fucked it all up, but still some of the pathetic supporters of this man will still say he's the best chance this team has.

Pathetic.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Aaron Colvin healthy scratch in favor of Shareece Wright was a god damn disgrace.

Bill OBrien getting surprised by the old ass Tampa 2 was a god damn disgrace.

O'Brien dialing up bad pass plays on first down only to then run up the middle on 2nd down by 3 scores is a god damn disgrace.

Most painfully for me was watching Watson get swallowed up by a more prepared team/defense and sink further and further into the quicksand.

Accountability starts at the top and Bill OBrien **** the bed yesterday.

Those are facts ... Let the OBrien reach around squad spin it how they want.

"Duur duur no offensive line, no cornerbacks, give Gaine a chance"

**** all that. Disgusting job of preparing a team for a playoff game and then did y'all see the body language during post game presser? Hands in his pockets .. swaying side to side. He knew he fucked it all up, but still some of the pathetic supporters of this man will still say he's the best chance this team has.

Pathetic.
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Didn't help that Watson had a absolutely terrible game... god damn disgrace
 
Uncle Rico said:
Would have been better with Savage right?
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Not what I'm saying at all...

we all (or most of us here and on social media) expected that Watson would take his normal super-human play to a new level and save the Texans from themselves. Instead he played like a young inexperienced QB... how many easy open throws did he miss? He'll learn from it and hopefully the defnse won't put the offense in two minute mode in the first quarter. NONW of the Houston Texans Orig. had a good day. All deserve some of the blame for the debacle
 
JB said:
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Nah JB there are no excuses to defend that poor excuse of a coaching job yesterday. None. If your an OBrien supporter (generally speaking not you directly) then this is the part where you disconnect for a while because NOTHING was defendable from yesterday. NOTHING.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Nah JB there are no excuses to defend that poor excuse of a coaching job yesterday. None. If your an OBrien supporter (generally speaking not you directly) then this is the part where you disconnect for a while because NOTHING was defendable from yesterday. NOTHING.
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Totally agree. From Cal McNair down to Toro
 
JB said:
Not what I'm saying at all...

we all (or most of us here and on social media) expected that Watson would take his normal super-human play to a new level and save the Texans from themselves. Instead he played like a young inexperienced QB... how many easy open throws did he miss? He'll learn from it and hopefully the defnse won't put the offense in two minute mode in the first quarter. NONW of the Houston Texans Orig. had a good day. All deserve some of the blame for the debacle
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JB Frank Reich was running CRIMINAL pick plays out of his passing sets. He was daring the refs to call it. Completely new wrinkle. OBrien RAN THE SAME STUPID STUFF!! Even after falling behind he's throwing smoke screens and inside runs?

Did you not see this? This was not OBriens first playoff game but it sure looked like it just the same for Watson.

If you want to lay it on Watson's feet that's cool I can agree, but OBrien doesn't escape this clean. No way.
 
JB said:
Totally agree. From Cal McNair down to Toro
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Absolutely! For all the supporters nothing changes, he's back next year ... SIXTH YEAR .. but funny thing would be that if OBrien has a losing record next year he might get another extension.
 
JB said:
Not what I'm saying at all...

we all (or most of us here and on social media) expected that Watson would take his normal super-human play to a new level and save the Texans from themselves. Instead he played like a young inexperienced QB... how many easy open throws did he miss? He'll learn from it and hopefully the defnse won't put the offense in two minute mode in the first quarter. NONW of the Houston Texans Orig. had a good day. All deserve some of the blame for the debacle
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& just watching the game you could see open receivers before the pocket collapsed. Routes that would have been money with just a little anticipation. Blitzers that he should have saw.

I'm sure the all 22 would reveal even more the young fella missed.

I'm not mad at him. I feel like he's the kind of guy who will learn. But he had a very bad game.
 
Speedy said:
And that flow has been bad all season, and it's because they get behind schedule so often, 2nd and long, 3rd and long. Texans had the 5th worst average yards gained on 1st down. Hell, their 2nd play of the game was 2nd and 10. 45% of their 2nd downs were 10 yards to go or more yesterday. Hard to flow like that. Especially with a bad o-line and a defense knowing you're more likely to throw on 2nd and long.
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I posted that 4 months ago when the season started. Preaching to the choir.
 
No the issue is last year the offense wasn't built for Watson. It was more under center plays for a pocket passer. Watson thrived, but then OB implements this college style offense and it goes to ****.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Indy didn't score in the 2nd half .. where is the offensive genius? Oh yes now it's Watson's fault and the Oline AND Rick Smith .. disgusting
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Why can’t several things exist at once? BoB is a terrible OC, he has been all year. Watson played maybe his worst game of the year yesterday, it happens sometimes to great young QB’s in playoff football. And the defense was miserable on 3rd down.

These are not excuses. In fact they are the opposite. Some people are getting confused by this.

I could write post after post about how much I want O’Brien fired but that won’t make a damn bit of difference. The best I can logically hope for is that the Texans find someone to take over the play calling duties on offense.
 
Bob was Bob and Watson had a bad day. It over with. I'm ordering my new cap and finished with this season.

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banned1976 said:
I could write post after post about how much I want O’Brien fired but that won’t make a damn bit of difference. The best I can logically hope for is that the Texans find someone to take over the play calling duties on offense.
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No. I'll continue to hope that Norg is really Cal... or his kid & he reads your post then convinces his dad that dumping BO'b is the best move for Watson, Hopkins, & Jj Watt.
 
Another example of coaching and execution during the game. The interception was an adjustment by the Texan that was poorly designed and executed. All week we talked about the CB blitz and how the Texans should counter it.

To their credit, the Texans had an adjustment. The Colts' DB anticipated who would be the hot read and jumped the route and made an easy INT. It was a great defensive call and INT. IF you look at the play design, Watson expected the DB to follow Jordan Akins in the seam. Instead, the DB stopped at the first down marker and waited for Griffin to run the out route.

If Watson holds the ball for a second longer, he sees Akins wide open in the seam, but its 4th down, you can't trust the OL and he has to get rid of the ball quickly. The way the DB sat on the first down marker and totally ignored Akins was like he guarded two TEs to the first down marker and then double teamed Griffin. Why cover Akins when he's had two or fewer catches in every game.

I bet if they run that exact play, but replace Akins with Carter, Coutee, or even Smith, the DB does not defend two players for 5 yards, their speed would have made him show the coverage sooner. Also, for a play like that, why is Akins so close to Griffin? It becomes a much bigger window for Watson, if Akins can take his man further away from Griffin. It's just a poorly designed play made worst by a bad, quick decision.

 
Also, the Colts did a great job with disguising the coverage, a DB followed Coutee across the formation. As a result, Watson was expecting man coverage. However, they showed man on the slot WR (Coutee), but then played zone on the opposite side. They totally fooled the young QB.

We were just outcoached and outplayed by a better team.
 
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The way the DB sat on the first down marker and totally ignored Akins was like he guarded two TEs to the first down marker and then double teamed Griffin. Why cover Akins when he's had two or fewer catches in every game.
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Good take. However, looks like the DB on Akin was watching Watson the whole time. He saw Watson eyeball Griffen & dropped Akins. He basically got lucky that Griffen cut I his direction & Watson threw the ball right to him.

Also don't know if that had been Carter it would have made a difference. Watson pretty much ignored him. It was Hopkins or QT after Smythe couldn't catch that bomb.
 
Oh playoff time is rollin, but the Texans have no sign of showin.. so since we didnt put on a show....

Bill's gotta go, gotta go, gotta go.......

Bah humbug!
 
Thorn said:
Bob was Bob and Watson had a bad day. It over with. I'm ordering my new cap and finished with this season.

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Knowing now the second place team in the division is much better than the first kinda ugly ups that hat. I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of em though, being better than two other teams seems to be a big deal for the Texans.
 
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Can we just spread the blame evenly after yesterday’s game and move on?

O’Brien-25%
Rick Smith-25%
Rome Crennel-25%
Deshaun Watson-25%
 
ColeThornton said:
Knowing now the second place team in the division is much better than the first kinda ugly ups that hat. I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of em though, being better than two other teams seems to be a big deal for the Texans.
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I always get a hat. It does't matter if the team sucks or not. I just want the hat. :lol:
 
Earl34 said:
Also, the Colts did a great job with disguising the coverage, a DB followed Coutee across the formation. As a result, Watson was expecting man coverage. However, they showed man on the slot WR (Coutee), but then played zone on the opposite side. They totally fooled the young QB.

We were just outcoached and outplayed by a better team.
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Go ahead and say it. We were outcoached by a better coach.
 
Well Gaine DID partake of this season. I dont want to put words in their mouth... finger tips whatever but IF you spread blame around evenly over everyone invonvled... he would fall under that spreading.

The level of validity in the arguement of him sharing equal fault to those that have been/were here longer is debatable though.

That was just my assumption of the post.
 
Mangler said:
I wonder what the Wildcard game plan was?
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Whatever the gameplan was supposed to be (offense or defense) or whatever it COULD have been, it doesn't matter when the players aren't prepared for the higher intensity of the playoffs. This was a choke, and I feel more troubled by it a day after. And it was a "complementary football" choke between the offense and defense (Daniels & special teams were good).

That's the head coach being a great reactor to adversity in the season (a lot of the adversity of his own making) and a poor attacker. O'Brien has never much forced adversity on our opponents that they have to respond to. He just doesn't seem to have that strike-first mindset. RAC has done that well himself. Tom Brady was a red-faced crybaby in the first half of the playoff game two years ago due to RAC.

And O'Brien himself reacted badly to the adversity of this game, desperately going for it twice on 4th down in the first half? It's like when he desperately went for it on 4th down in the Eagles game instead of kicking a FG. Then we lose by 2.

Those games were beyond O'Brien, as was the KC playoff "game." He's won the AFC South 3 out of 5 years with mostly trash QBs.* But he's not mentally/emotionally able to juggle coaching and play calling. Kubiak and McCarthy are available (for now), and I think they'd be fantastic with Watson, but I see O'Brien as too delicate to hire a possible competitor to his own job.

*All AFC South teams were in the top 12 in defensive yardage allowed in 2018. So to win 11 games and the division IS an accomplishment. One of the top two divisions this year, IMO.
 
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ColeThornton said:
Imagine if they raised the 2018 AFC South banner at the Colts game next year.
This is what the Colts players would look like as it went up-
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Strategy so we can win that game? I like it!

Already better coaching strategy than OB....
 
KA4Texan said:
Strategy so we can win that game? I like it!

Already better coaching strategy than OB....
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It might actually work. Wait to raise the banner until the Colts game and let Andrew Luck raise the banner. Great chance to get off to a fast start, heck they might be laughing till half time!
 
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