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txtechsean said:
that's great in theory, but there's no great left tackles or corner backs hitting the market that are worth a damn. I mean, who's giving you better value? Jawuan James? Donovan Smith? Cedric Ogbuehi? There's no Nate Solder's or Duane Brown's scheduled to hit the market

Hell, Seantrell might be the best one going back in to FA.

The dynamic factor he would bring to this offense that (outside of the 97 yard run) Miller hasn't brought through his 3 years here is worth paying for. Bet on Rankins and Davenport and drafting some extra big bodies to get the line right in front of them, and then unleash a Bell/Fuller/Hopkins/Thomas/Watson combo platter on to the league. That at least puts you on par as far as weapons with the Chiefs, and maybe even the Rams.
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This isn't a one yr fix and Miller is more than a serviceable. Yes, I would sign Donovan Smith or Claiborne and trade for Jenkins plus tag Clowney/reup KJax with the $$$$ that you want to pay Bell.

Fixing the OL/CB is jobs 1 and 2, Bell is a luxury item.
 
steelbtexan said:
This isn't a one yr fix and Miller is more than a serviceable. Yes, I would sign Donovan Smith or Claiborne and trade for Jenkins plus tag Clowney/reup KJax with the $$$$ that you want to pay Bell.

Fixing the OL/CB is jobs 1 and 2, Bell is a luxury item.
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curious as to why you think CB is a high priority? 1000% agreed in regards to the OL.

assuming Jackson is re-signed, Joseph, Colvin, Jackson, Johnson are the top 4. how many corners do you think you need exactly?

also, who are the teams that you look at and say definite SB favorites? KC, NO, LAR, LAC we'd all agree are tier 1 this year. (Hunt until 2 weeks ago, Kamara/Ingram, Gurley, Gordon to go with their a level QB play and a stud pass catcher or 2 (Kelce/Hill/Watkins, Thomas + Bree's accuracy turns nobodies in to weapons, Cooks/Woods/Kupp pre-injury, and Allen/Williams/Williams)

HOU can climb in to that stratosphere: Watson, Bell, Hopkins, Thomas. We've seen from Seattle and Philly -- when you have a stud QB on a rookie contract, you have to spend all that extra cash on bad ass weapons while the title window is open. Ask the Colts or the Seahawks of the last 2 years how much harder it is to build a team once your QB is making 25M a year instead of 8.

That's my argument for Bell. He's the most dynamic player to hit FA in a while -- and for the Texans, the time is now, and Bell is a push your chips in to the center of the table move. For the AFC, the Brady/Manning/Ben window appears to finally be closing, and the Texans had better be ready to pounce on the opportunity to be the Chiefs' rivals over the next decade.
 
txtechsean said:
curious as to why you think CB is a high priority? 1000% agreed in regards to the OL.

assuming Jackson is re-signed, Joseph, Colvin, Jackson, Johnson are the top 4. how many corners do you think you need exactly?

also, who are the teams that you look at and say definite SB favorites? KC, NO, LAR, LAC we'd all agree are tier 1 this year. (Hunt until 2 weeks ago, Kamara/Ingram, Gurley, Gordon to go with their a level QB play and a stud pass catcher or 2 (Kelce/Hill/Watkins, Thomas + Bree's accuracy turns nobodies in to weapons, Cooks/Woods/Kupp pre-injury, and Allen/Williams/Williams)

HOU can climb in to that stratosphere: Watson, Bell, Hopkins, Thomas. We've seen from Seattle and Philly -- when you have a stud QB on a rookie contract, you have to spend all that extra cash on bad ass weapons while the title window is open. Ask the Colts or the Seahawks of the last 2 years how much harder it is to build a team once your QB is making 25M a year instead of 8.

That's my argument for Bell. He's the most dynamic player to hit FA in a while -- and for the Texans, the time is now, and Bell is a push your chips in to the center of the table move. For the AFC, the Brady/Manning/Ben window appears to finally be closing, and the Texans had better be ready to pounce on the opportunity to be the Chiefs' rivals over the next decade.
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Did you see Luck and the rookie Darnold burning the Texans CB's these last 2 weeks? It's about getting quality not quantity. I would like to see Gaine re-sign KJax to play S. Although if he were to be let go I wouldn't argue. I really want to see Mathieu re-singed.

What I really would like is to bring in 2 vet CB's to play on the outside and let Colvin/JoJo play in the slot with Reid/Matieu at S and KJax serving as great depth. Sign Claiborne, trade for Jenkins and re-sign KJax/Mathieu and the defense would be a top 3 defense. IMHO
 
txtechsean said:
curious as to why you think CB is a high priority? 1000% agreed in regards to the OL.

assuming Jackson is re-signed, Joseph, Colvin, Jackson, Johnson are the top 4. how many corners do you think you need exactly?

also, who are the teams that you look at and say definite SB favorites? KC, NO, LAR, LAC we'd all agree are tier 1 this year. (Hunt until 2 weeks ago, Kamara/Ingram, Gurley, Gordon to go with their a level QB play and a stud pass catcher or 2 (Kelce/Hill/Watkins, Thomas + Bree's accuracy turns nobodies in to weapons, Cooks/Woods/Kupp pre-injury, and Allen/Williams/Williams)

HOU can climb in to that stratosphere: Watson, Bell, Hopkins, Thomas. We've seen from Seattle and Philly -- when you have a stud QB on a rookie contract, you have to spend all that extra cash on bad ass weapons while the title window is open. Ask the Colts or the Seahawks of the last 2 years how much harder it is to build a team once your QB is making 25M a year instead of 8.

That's my argument for Bell. He's the most dynamic player to hit FA in a while -- and for the Texans, the time is now, and Bell is a push your chips in to the center of the table move. For the AFC, the Brady/Manning/Ben window appears to finally be closing, and the Texans had better be ready to pounce on the opportunity to be the Chiefs' rivals over the next decade.
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In the CBs we have there is not a shutdown corner. JJo used to be, but his age has caught up to him. Johnson you can probably write off due to the concussions and he hasnt shown anything since his rookie season.
 
My biggest concern.....the Colts push their chips into the center and sign Leveon Bell. Anyone care to imagine what that young but massively improving OL with a healthy Luck and a fully refreshed Bell could look like?

This is the one time the Texans should jump to the head of the line. I'm going to put a lot of faith in Gaine to improve the OL. With that said, would you guys care to think of the Texans offense with an improved OL, Watson, the receivers, the Jordan's and a highly respected Bell lined up in the backfield? Teams don't gameplan for the Texans running game and haven't done so since Foster was carrying the rock. If the Texans have Bell in the backfield, teams are going to gameplan for him which will open other facets of this offense.

I could see Bell, Foreman, Miller and Higdon (Draft Pick- Michigan) making a scary rotation of runners. At the very least, the backfield would be built for the next few years since Miller could be gone in 2020 anyhow. Miller's spot could be filled in the 2020 draft if he leaves via FA.
 
Texas Jake said:
In the CBs we have there is not a shutdown corner. JJo used to be, but his age has caught up to him. Johnson you can probably write off due to the concussions and he hasnt shown anything since his rookie season.
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I think the Texans will find their shutdown CB in the draft. I've always liked Claiborne but never viewed him as a shutdown CB. I would sign him nonetheless b/c he's a good CB who's status may elevate playing behind the Texans pass rush.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
My biggest concern.....the Colts push their chips into the center and sign Leveon Bell. Anyone care to imagine what that young but massively improving OL with a healthy Luck and a fully refreshed Bell could look like?

This is the one time the Texans should jump to the head of the line. I'm going to put a lot of faith in Gaine to improve the OL. With that said, would you guys care to think of the Texans offense with an improved OL, Watson, the receivers, the Jordan's and a highly respected Bell lined up in the backfield? Teams don't gameplan for the Texans running game and haven't done so since Foster was carrying the rock. If the Texans have Bell in the backfield, teams are going to gameplan for him which will open other facets of this offense.

I could see Bell, Foreman, Miller and Higdon (Draft Pick- Michigan) making a scary rotation of runners. At the very least, the backfield would be built for the next few years since Miller could be gone in 2020 anyhow. Miller's spot could be filled in the 2020 draft if he leaves via FA.
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Who other that Hopkins in the WR corps scares defenses? Fuller cant stay healthy.
 
Texas Jake said:
In the CBs we have there is not a shutdown corner. JJo used to be, but his age has caught up to him. Johnson you can probably write off due to the concussions and he hasnt shown anything since his rookie season.
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you're ignoring two important things though -- most of the teams that currently have "shut down corners" (Ramsey, Peterson, White in Buffalo, Slay in Detroit, Harris Jr. in Denver, Howard in Miami, Rhodes in Minnesota) are hot garbage/definitely not contenders. and the league cares about offense, not defense. it just is what it is.

and because this is an offensive league now, offensive weapons have more value than defensive weapons, and a "shut down corner" can (mathematically) only shut down 1 dude. the league is like 60% 3WR sets now. you're better off having 6 B+ corners and playing the depth and scheme game -- because despite this Texans team not having any "shut down corners" per your post, they still have a top 5 defense. idk what better data point there is than that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who other that Hopkins in the WR corps scares defenses? Fuller cant stay healthy.
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True, Fuller would be that guy "if" he could stay healthy. I really hope Coutee is not Fuller 2.0 b/c he could strike fear in defenses if healthy. I want Demaryius Thomas back next season b/c he has veteran savvy that makes him a weapon when the offense has Hopkins and Coutee on the field at the same time.

You may ask why I didn't mention Fuller.....he's been injured each and every season since he became part of the Texans. His hands seem to be "finally" rounding into something we could call consistent but he hasn't been on the field enough to truly determine that. I'd cut ties with him and trade him this off-season. I'd love to replace him with another slightly bigger version of him through the draft.....that would be Riley Ridley of Georgia.

Remember....once Gaine addresses the OL and Watson gets that extra second or two in the pocket, the Texans receivers are going to be seriously dangerous. I'd also toss the Jordan's into that mix as well b/c I feel like Gaine has nailed down two future TE's that could be the Texans version of Gronk. They are mismatches waiting to happen and will only become these weapons when the OL is addressed.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
True, Fuller would be that guy "if" he could stay healthy. I really hope Coutee is not Fuller 2.0 b/c he could strike fear in defenses if healthy. I want Demaryius Thomas back next season b/c he has veteran savvy that makes him a weapon when the offense has Hopkins and Coutee on the field at the same time.

You may ask why I didn't mention Fuller.....he's been injured each and every season since he became part of the Texans. His hands seem to be "finally" rounding into something we could call consistent but he hasn't been on the field enough to truly determine that. I'd cut ties with him and trade him this off-season. I'd love to replace him with another slightly bigger version of him through the draft.....that would be Riley Ridley of Georgia.
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Who would want to trade for that guy?
 
txtechsean said:
you're ignoring two important things though -- most of the teams that currently have "shut down corners" (Ramsey, Peterson, White in Buffalo, Slay in Detroit, Harris Jr. in Denver, Howard in Miami, Rhodes in Minnesota) are hot garbage/definitely not contenders. and the league cares about offense, not defense. it just is what it is.

and because this is an offensive league now, offensive weapons have more value than defensive weapons, and a "shut down corner" can (mathematically) only shut down 1 dude. the league is like 60% 3WR sets now. you're better off having 6 B+ corners and playing the depth and scheme game -- because despite this Texans team not having any "shut down corners" per your post, they still have a top 5 defense. idk what better data point there is than that.
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The league has definitely made the offense its emphasis, but I still believe defense wins championships. The weakness of our defense is at CB. You fix that and the backend of the defense can hold up it's part, this defense will be scary good.
 
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steelbtexan said:
The $$$$ spent on Bell would be better spent in FA on the CB position ot maybe a LT. IMHO
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My thoughts at first but an extended Jackson, Joseph in his final year and a healthy Colvin gives me vets. A starting CB in draft and a guy like Clifton Duck in 6th we'll be set. Jackson can float and is insurance if Mathieu leaves. FA should be selective. If I knew we could get Damien Harris and trade Miller, yikes!
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
Good young backs come out in the draft every year.
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But none have track record and would be a solid top three RB. I like Snell from Kentucky but he has tons of hits his career. With Bell we could use draft for other positions. Miller/Foreman could be good but Miller could demand bucks 2020.
 
badboy said:
My thoughts at first but an extended Jackson, Joseph in his final year and a healthy Colvin gives me vets. A starting CB in draft and a guy like Clifton Duck in 6th we'll be set. Jackson can float and is insurance if Mathieu leaves. FA should be selective. If I knew we could get Damien Harris and trade Miller, yikes!
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why do you have such a boner for Damien Harris, just curious?

Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, TJ Yeldon, or Trent Richardson coming out of that same program all seem to have been better to me just in recent memory
 
steelbtexan said:
This isn't a one yr fix and Miller is more than a serviceable. Yes, I would sign Donovan Smith or Claiborne and trade for Jenkins plus tag Clowney/reup KJax with the $$$$ that you want to pay Bell.

Fixing the OL/CB is jobs 1 and 2, Bell is a luxury item.
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Fix online with Cajusty/Hyatt and Scharping and CB like Love in draft. If you can get luxury like Bell with cap you do so. It doesn't stop you from signing FA but isn't much out there.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
Bell is not coming to Houston. Texans' are not paying $17 million (what he wants) to a RB. Hell, not going to pay $$10-12 million to a 27 year old RB. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Really? They paid Lamar Miller $26M, with $14M being fully guaranteed. I can see Cal McNair making Bell a good offer.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who other that Hopkins in the WR corps scares defenses? Fuller cant stay healthy.
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Hopkins Fuller Coutee is a great WR corps when healthy. Do you reckon the Texans give up on Fuller and keep DT around?

DT has done as much as could be expected, but if it came down to a choice between him and Pat Pete, I'd give Fuller the opportunity to come back and remove the final weakness of the D.

IDK how the cap situation works out, I know it seems a lot of space, but when you look at the required resigns, Mathieu, Jackson, JDC, even Covington and Reader won't be insignificant amounts, do you then have enough to pay DT and fill that hole at CB?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
A team that may feel he provides a better risk/reward investment than a receiver they might draft in RD4.
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Well, you never mentioned what you would trade him for... I don't see a team trading for an injured guy with a 1.4 mill contract and only having 1 year of control.. or the Texans eating 3 mill in dead money to trade him for a 4th
 
welsh texan said:
Hopkins Fuller Coutee is a great WR corps when healthy. Do you reckon the Texans give up on Fuller and keep DT around?

DT has done as much as could be expected, but if it came down to a choice between him and Pat Pete, I'd give Fuller the opportunity to come back and remove the final weakness of the D.

IDK how the cap situation works out, I know it seems a lot of space, but when you look at the required resigns, Mathieu, Jackson, JDC, even Covington and Reader won't be insignificant amounts, do you then have enough to pay DT and fill that hole at CB?
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You can't depend on Fuller
 
badboy said:
My thoughts at first but an extended Jackson, Joseph in his final year and a healthy Colvin gives me vets. A starting CB in draft and a guy like Clifton Duck in 6th we'll be set. Jackson can float and is insurance if Mathieu leaves. FA should be selective. If I knew we could get Damien Harris and trade Miller, yikes!
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Why does almost all of your posts contain trading Miller?
 
If this team loved the 'over trained' GEar Head in Cushing then they should love a better producing pot head lol .. cannabis prohibition will come to an end in the NFL before long.
 
txtechsean said:
why do you have such a boner for Damien Harris, just curious?

Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, TJ Yeldon, or Trent Richardson coming out of that same program all seem to have been better to me just in recent memory
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1st, I loved Henry coming out but he did little this season until very recently with two huge games. Should well tonight. As rotational back, he has three 1000 yrs consecutively plus he's excellent receiver..a lighter, shorter Bell. Harris is used to sharing rock unlike most RBs. The kid is good running thru or outside the line. He and Foreman can prolong Bell's career. Yes Bell would be expensive but add the 3 cap hits and the corps would be reasonable especially for productivity. Also allows a trade for Miller. Anyone want see what Gaines would do with 2 thirds?
 
JB said:
Well, you never mentioned what you would trade him for... I don't see a team trading for an injured guy with a 1.4 mill contract and only having 1 year of control.. or the Texans eating 3 mill in dead money to trade him for a 4th
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Focus on this comment only of qouted post. Definitely team should eat 3 million dead for a 4th.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why does almost all of your posts contain trading Miller?
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Because we can get better with Bell or same with Harris, because he is about our only trade bait and we need picks, because he has been just above average until last few games, because 2019 last contract year, because I still don't think Coach knows how to use him, because....
 
badboy said:
Because we can get better with Bell or same with Harris, because he is about our only trade bait and we need picks, because he has been just above average until last few games, because 2019 last contract year, because I still don't think Coach knows how to use him, because....
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Miller does not hold trade value of great significance largely because of the reason you just laid out.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Miller does not hold trade value of great significance largely because of the reason you just laid out.
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But...teams need pro bowl nominee who is having good run to play offs could give a 3rd. His 2019 cap is reasonable and could be lowered with an extension.
 
badboy said:
But...teams need pro bowl nominee who is having good run to play offs could give a 3rd. His 2019 cap is reasonable and could be lowered with an extension.
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or a "just above average" RB who will be 28 with high between the tackles usage, a good contract number and we (other NFL team) probably can draft a guy like that in the 3rd (or later)...a good NFL team isn't going to be swayed by recent success...
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
or a "just above average" RB who will be 28 with high between the tackles usage, a good contract number and we (other NFL team) probably can draft a guy like that in the 3rd (or later)...a good NFL team isn't going to be swayed by recent success...
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We need to draft other than RB in first three rounds an so will other teams. I don't see a Miller on day three that will start.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Pretty sure you are the one who typed that the Texans could find someone equal to Miller in the 3rd round, not me. I am just repeating this back to you.
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don't recall that and too tired to look perhaps it was before he started playing like probowler? I wanted cut him before season.
 
badboy said:
We need everything come together this game including calls going our way.
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You do realize this is the INJURY THREAD. There are plenty of other more appropriate thread were this same conversation is taking place. Not picking on you necessarily, Baboy, and I have been guilty too. It is easy to reply to a comment and not notice the thread your are in. Let's police this up and keep this thread clean for Doc.
 
badboy said:
Because we can get better with Bell or same with Harris, because he is about our only trade bait and we need picks, because he has been just above average until last few games, because 2019 last contract year, because I still don't think Coach knows how to use him, because....
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How many RB's get traded?

Hyde got traded for a 5th, who else has gotten traded?

You want to trade Miller for a 4th or 5th? I dont.

As far as Bell goes you already know my thoughts, the $$$$ could be better spent fixing the OL/CB positions.
 
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