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When is the cut down date now? I know there will be some releases, but don't teams go from 90 to 53 now?
CloakNNNdagger
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Maclin left Baltimore without a deal.
TheRealJoker
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CND, what are your thoughts on Jim Irsay claiming Luck's shoulder surgery is a "positive thing"
Andrew Luck - QB - Colts
Colts owner Jim Irsay says Andrew Luck (shoulder surgery) is "healing tremendously."
"This (surgery) has been a positive thing, not a negative thing or anything like that," Irsay claimed at a fan event. "This was, quite frankly, not that complicated of a surgery. This was a simple labrum repair. There are a lot of other things that could have been involved with this surgery that weren't." Despite Irsay's sunshine, the Colts have yet to attach a public timeline to Luck's return. All we know is that he's expected to be ready to roll for Week 1.
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 8 - 10:07 PM
Andrew Luck - QB - Colts
Colts owner Jim Irsay says Andrew Luck (shoulder surgery) is "healing tremendously."
"This (surgery) has been a positive thing, not a negative thing or anything like that," Irsay claimed at a fan event. "This was, quite frankly, not that complicated of a surgery. This was a simple labrum repair. There are a lot of other things that could have been involved with this surgery that weren't." Despite Irsay's sunshine, the Colts have yet to attach a public timeline to Luck's return. All we know is that he's expected to be ready to roll for Week 1.
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 8 - 10:07 PM
CloakNNNdagger
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I posted these posts (see BELOW) back in Jan. They still hold. Irsay and the Colts have used this same set of claims to continue to minimize Luck's injury and hype his return. Originally , they hid his injury. Then they said it was a simple "clean up." I did not believe this is all that Luck would have required. It was clear to me that a formal labral repair was in order. Now they say it was "a SIMPLE labrum repair..........quite frankly , not that complicated of a surgery." Anyone that has undergone a shoulder labrum repair can tell you that it is anything but a simple procedure or simple recovery............especially in the case of the shoulder of an elite overhead throwing athlete. I almost have to believe that Irsay is sneaking in a drink or two before he comes out with statements like the ones above. In time, we will all find out how this plays out for Luck. But meanwhile the Colts need to find a way to contain their carnival barker.
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[Expand the post below to see my commentary on the article at the time]
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CloakNNNdagger
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Fairley's 3rd opinion has not yet been reported. What we do know is that at his Combine, he was found to have an enlarged heart. Evidently, there is concern that something has progressed. An enlarged heart can have several origins. Chronic uncontrolled hypertension and heart valve disease tend to be the most common, and can occur concurrently. What is interesting to note that should send red flags all over the place is the fact that Fairley's mother died last October following complaints of acute chest pains. She was immediately hospitalized and died suddenly thereafter. She was only 51 years old. What's important about this history is that sudden death in athletes with enlarged hearts is disturbingly high.
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Large heart linked to sudden death in athletes
Experts call for improved screening among young sports players
NEW YORK — Having an enlarged heart is the biggest cause of sudden death among young athletes, and some experts say more and better screening is needed.
Too often, heart problems that can cause an irregular heartbeat and sudden death are missed because there isn't enough uniform screening of athletes, said Dr. Lori Mosca, director of preventive cardiology at New York-Presbyterian Hospital.
Mosca spoke from an American Heart Association meeting in Florida where cardiologists have been talking about the weekend death of Ryan Shay. The 28-year-old runner was competing in New York in the men's marathon Olympic trials when he died suddenly on Saturday.
According to his father, Shay had an enlarged heart that was first diagnosed when he was 14. But whether that contributed to his death isn't known. Autopsy results are expected later.
"It's hard on all of us when something like this happens to a person who is doing all the right things as far as we can tell," said Mosca, a marathon runner herself. "We have to use this as an example to try to prevent future problems."
About 125 athletes under 35 involved in organized sports die of sudden death in the United States each year, said Dr. Barry J. Maron of the Minneapolis Heart Institute Foundation. The institute tracks such deaths in a national registry.
An analysis of 387 cases from the registry showed the vast majority were cardiac-related. About a quarter involved a condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which causes an enlarged heart. About 20 percent were from a blow to the chest, such as being hit by a bat or ball.
Maron said many of the cardiac diseases that can lead to sudden death can be spotted through screening.
"It's not perfect. Athletes with certain abnormalities can slip through that process," said Maron, who participated in a discussion of the issue at the heart group's meeting on Monday.
Maron helped write heart association guidelines that help doctors screen athletes for sudden death. The process includes questions that focus on spotting potential heart problems through a personal and family medical history and a physical exam.
An enlarged heart or thickened heart doesn't always preclude someone from participating in sports, Mosca said.
"There's a spectrum of what doctors might recommend," said Mosca.
While the inherited condition is mostly found in the young, other heart problems can cause sudden death in those over 35. Mosca said sedentary men over 40 and women over 50 should be screened before starting a vigorous exercise program.
"Even with an evaluation, there's no guarantee that you can prevent sudden death," she said. "What ultimately happens is a balancing of the risk of participating in sports against the benefits. That's true for everyone."
Elite athletes like Shay can have a larger than normal heart from strenuous exercise without causing any problem. While so-called "athlete's heart" thickens the heart muscle overall, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy creates thickening in one part of the heart and makes it harder to pump blood out to the body. One in 500 people have the disorder; some people have no symptoms.
"Sometimes it can be difficult to distinguish between these two conditions — one being benign and one being potentially lethal," said Mosca.
Shay had had medical tests last spring in Flagstaff, Ariz., where he trained, and was cleared for running, according to his father, Joe Shay. He said his son hadn't complained of any problems.
Shay collapsed about 5 1/2 miles into the race Saturday in New York's Central Park. Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the city medical examiner's office, which did an autopsy, said doctors wanted to take a closer look at Shay's heart tissue before determining the cause of death.
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Large heart linked to sudden death in athletes
Experts call for improved screening among young sports players
NEW YORK — Having an enlarged heart is the biggest cause of sudden death among young athletes, and some experts say more and better screening is needed.
Too often, heart problems that can cause an irregular heartbeat and sudden death are missed because there isn't enough uniform screening of athletes, said Dr. Lori Mosca, director of preventive cardiology at New York-Presbyterian Hospital.
Mosca spoke from an American Heart Association meeting in Florida where cardiologists have been talking about the weekend death of Ryan Shay. The 28-year-old runner was competing in New York in the men's marathon Olympic trials when he died suddenly on Saturday.
According to his father, Shay had an enlarged heart that was first diagnosed when he was 14. But whether that contributed to his death isn't known. Autopsy results are expected later.
"It's hard on all of us when something like this happens to a person who is doing all the right things as far as we can tell," said Mosca, a marathon runner herself. "We have to use this as an example to try to prevent future problems."
About 125 athletes under 35 involved in organized sports die of sudden death in the United States each year, said Dr. Barry J. Maron of the Minneapolis Heart Institute Foundation. The institute tracks such deaths in a national registry.
An analysis of 387 cases from the registry showed the vast majority were cardiac-related. About a quarter involved a condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which causes an enlarged heart. About 20 percent were from a blow to the chest, such as being hit by a bat or ball.
Maron said many of the cardiac diseases that can lead to sudden death can be spotted through screening.
"It's not perfect. Athletes with certain abnormalities can slip through that process," said Maron, who participated in a discussion of the issue at the heart group's meeting on Monday.
Maron helped write heart association guidelines that help doctors screen athletes for sudden death. The process includes questions that focus on spotting potential heart problems through a personal and family medical history and a physical exam.
An enlarged heart or thickened heart doesn't always preclude someone from participating in sports, Mosca said.
"There's a spectrum of what doctors might recommend," said Mosca.
While the inherited condition is mostly found in the young, other heart problems can cause sudden death in those over 35. Mosca said sedentary men over 40 and women over 50 should be screened before starting a vigorous exercise program.
"Even with an evaluation, there's no guarantee that you can prevent sudden death," she said. "What ultimately happens is a balancing of the risk of participating in sports against the benefits. That's true for everyone."
Elite athletes like Shay can have a larger than normal heart from strenuous exercise without causing any problem. While so-called "athlete's heart" thickens the heart muscle overall, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy creates thickening in one part of the heart and makes it harder to pump blood out to the body. One in 500 people have the disorder; some people have no symptoms.
"Sometimes it can be difficult to distinguish between these two conditions — one being benign and one being potentially lethal," said Mosca.
Shay had had medical tests last spring in Flagstaff, Ariz., where he trained, and was cleared for running, according to his father, Joe Shay. He said his son hadn't complained of any problems.
Shay collapsed about 5 1/2 miles into the race Saturday in New York's Central Park. Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the city medical examiner's office, which did an autopsy, said doctors wanted to take a closer look at Shay's heart tissue before determining the cause of death.
badboy
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note that over time reduced from 15 minutes to tenhttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-owners-eliminate-first-roster-cutdown-period
Now, there will be one cut down following the preseason, from a 90-man roster to a 53-man.
The news, reported by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, essentially gives 480 players (15 per team) the chance to remain on the roster for one final audition. Already desperate for more film, the league's bottom-of-the-roster players should consider the decision a major victory.
Alongside a second injured reserve return player and adjustments to overtime, this addendum highlights a very busy May for NFL decision makers.
For those who have long adored the reality TV show Hard Knocks, both cut down days have become a staple of the league calendar -- a time of extreme highs and lows for players looking to hang on and coaches searching for hidden gems on other rosters.
Trimming 37 players at once will make for some enjoyable, organized chaos.
Before both roster cut-down days, many general managers have already compiled a list of players on other teams likely to be released and potential scenarios where they could add key pieces. Under the new rules, they will have to be quick-footed, as the market will be flooded with an influx of potential talent all at once.
On the bright side for coaches, they will not have to strip their rosters before the fourth preseason game -- often a week where teams simply hope to avoid any major injuries. As time wears on in that final game, they could give themselves one more live look at a player battling for a final spot on the season roster.
As Rapoport noted, this change has long been championed by the Washington Redskins; a sensible, win-win situation at a time when practice opportunities are already so precious.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Maclin has visited the Bills and Ravens and left without a contract. Found this interesting background piece on him.
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Wed Jun. 7, 2017
How Jeremy Maclin Became Expendable
And why the Chiefs shouldn’t suffer much of a drop-off despite being left with Tyreek Hill and a group of middling receivers
What’s bizarre about wide receiver Jeremy Maclin’s release in Kansas City is not that it happened, but when it happened. Instead of cutting Maclin in March, the Chiefs allowed him to partake in five OTA sessions, at the risk of owing him his full $10 million salary in the event of a serious injury. They did this because, according to Jason Fitzgerald of OverTheCap.com, cutting Maclin after June 1 meant the Chiefs could divide his $7.2 million in dead money over the next two years (as opposed to taking the whole hit this year).
At the time of Maclin’s release, the Chiefs had $3.5 million in cap space and still had to sign their top three draft picks: QB Patrick Mahomes, DE Tanoh Kpassagnon and RB Kareem Hunt. That costs about $4.5 million, and many teams like to have a $5 million cushion for emergency spending. The only contract besides Maclin’s that could have been dumped for a cap savings of more than $5 million was Alex Smith’s. Kansas City’s other option was to dump a trio of mid-level players.
It’s possible something else happened behind the scenes, given that Maclin called this a “crazy business” on Twitter after learning of the move, and Smith was “shocked.” But let’s not dive any further into speculative detail. The bottom line: Maclin is a quality No. 2-caliber receiver who was making No. 1-type money on a team that really doesn’t need a No. 1-type receiver to begin with.
Maclin’s only big season of production was 2014 under Chip Kelly, when he had 1,318 yards on 85 catches. He then hit free agency and got a five-year, $55 million deal from the Chiefs. (He wound up making $23 million over two years.) The money wasn’t surprising; Maclin is hardly the first player to have big numbers in his contract year and then get paid accordingly. What was surprising is that it was Andy Reid who wrote the check (so to speak).
Reid’s West Coast-style offense is very scheme-driven. His play designs are what dictate which receivers get open and get targeted. Very rarely do the Chiefs ask receivers to line up and just beat defenders one-on-one. Instead, Reid builds plays that exploit predicted coverages. You don’t need expensive receivers to do this, just reliable ones. Chris Conley and Albert Wilson types. (And to really drive the point home, you could argue that you don’t need an expensive quarterback, either. A steady, cautious veteran like Smith will do. You can use your cap savings at quarterback to load up your defense.)
Of course, no offense can win simply through crafty play designs. If that were the case, every team would run that system. You still need mismatch-makers. Maclin wasn’t that. He’s good at many things but great at none, a quality target but not someone defenses tailor gameplans for.
The guy defenses do gameplan around is Travis Kelce, who led all tight ends in receiving last year. As a pass-catcher, Kelce defeats linebackers in coverage every time, safeties most of the time and even top-shelf cornerbacks some of the time. Any specialty plays Reid draws up will be built around him.
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Wed Jun. 7, 2017
How Jeremy Maclin Became Expendable
And why the Chiefs shouldn’t suffer much of a drop-off despite being left with Tyreek Hill and a group of middling receivers
What’s bizarre about wide receiver Jeremy Maclin’s release in Kansas City is not that it happened, but when it happened. Instead of cutting Maclin in March, the Chiefs allowed him to partake in five OTA sessions, at the risk of owing him his full $10 million salary in the event of a serious injury. They did this because, according to Jason Fitzgerald of OverTheCap.com, cutting Maclin after June 1 meant the Chiefs could divide his $7.2 million in dead money over the next two years (as opposed to taking the whole hit this year).
At the time of Maclin’s release, the Chiefs had $3.5 million in cap space and still had to sign their top three draft picks: QB Patrick Mahomes, DE Tanoh Kpassagnon and RB Kareem Hunt. That costs about $4.5 million, and many teams like to have a $5 million cushion for emergency spending. The only contract besides Maclin’s that could have been dumped for a cap savings of more than $5 million was Alex Smith’s. Kansas City’s other option was to dump a trio of mid-level players.
It’s possible something else happened behind the scenes, given that Maclin called this a “crazy business” on Twitter after learning of the move, and Smith was “shocked.” But let’s not dive any further into speculative detail. The bottom line: Maclin is a quality No. 2-caliber receiver who was making No. 1-type money on a team that really doesn’t need a No. 1-type receiver to begin with.
Maclin’s only big season of production was 2014 under Chip Kelly, when he had 1,318 yards on 85 catches. He then hit free agency and got a five-year, $55 million deal from the Chiefs. (He wound up making $23 million over two years.) The money wasn’t surprising; Maclin is hardly the first player to have big numbers in his contract year and then get paid accordingly. What was surprising is that it was Andy Reid who wrote the check (so to speak).
Reid’s West Coast-style offense is very scheme-driven. His play designs are what dictate which receivers get open and get targeted. Very rarely do the Chiefs ask receivers to line up and just beat defenders one-on-one. Instead, Reid builds plays that exploit predicted coverages. You don’t need expensive receivers to do this, just reliable ones. Chris Conley and Albert Wilson types. (And to really drive the point home, you could argue that you don’t need an expensive quarterback, either. A steady, cautious veteran like Smith will do. You can use your cap savings at quarterback to load up your defense.)
Of course, no offense can win simply through crafty play designs. If that were the case, every team would run that system. You still need mismatch-makers. Maclin wasn’t that. He’s good at many things but great at none, a quality target but not someone defenses tailor gameplans for.
The guy defenses do gameplan around is Travis Kelce, who led all tight ends in receiving last year. As a pass-catcher, Kelce defeats linebackers in coverage every time, safeties most of the time and even top-shelf cornerbacks some of the time. Any specialty plays Reid draws up will be built around him.
CloakNNNdagger
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Transgender bathroom bill could keep draft out of Dallas
June 10, 2017, 7:41 AM EDT
Dallas is considered a favorite to host the 2018 NFL draft, but actions in the state Capitol could change that.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott this week called for a special legislative session to consider a bill regulating bathroom use by transgender people in public buildings. When North Carolina passed a similar “bathroom bill,” it cost the state several sporting events, and the NFL says that bill could result in the league keeping the draft out of Dallas.
“If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law there, that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told the Dallas Morning News.
Abbott has previously criticized the NFL for saying such a law could cost Houston and Dallas the opportunity to host future Super Bowls.
North Carolina partially repealed its bathroom law after events including the NBA All-Star Game and NCAA Tournament were pulled from the state.
June 10, 2017, 7:41 AM EDT
Dallas is considered a favorite to host the 2018 NFL draft, but actions in the state Capitol could change that.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott this week called for a special legislative session to consider a bill regulating bathroom use by transgender people in public buildings. When North Carolina passed a similar “bathroom bill,” it cost the state several sporting events, and the NFL says that bill could result in the league keeping the draft out of Dallas.
“If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law there, that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told the Dallas Morning News.
Abbott has previously criticized the NFL for saying such a law could cost Houston and Dallas the opportunity to host future Super Bowls.
North Carolina partially repealed its bathroom law after events including the NBA All-Star Game and NCAA Tournament were pulled from the state.
CloakNNNdagger
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Irsay is now talkiing about the Colts about to get 2 Lombardis with Luck at the helm...................meanwhile, Luck can't even throw a football yet.
Always fun for my friends and I ...
Change without prior approval is not desired
Always fun for my friends and I ...
Not as much fun as it used to be when the draft started on Saturday.
The crawfish and friends coming over every yr is still something we really enjoy.
CloakNNNdagger
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Maclin is now a Raven.
CloakNNNdagger
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Surprise, surprise!
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Andrew Luck unsure whether he’ll be ready for training camp
June 13, 2017, 5:36 PM EDT
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck is recovering from shoulder surgery, and he’s not sure how long that recovery will take.
Luck said today that he simply doesn’t know yet whether he can run the offense when the Colts open training camp on July 29.
“To be honest, I have not thought about it,” Luck said, via Zak Keefer of the Indianapolis Star. “If I’m ready for it, then great. If I’m not, then that’s the way it is. I’m certainly hopeful for it. In my mind all I can do — and I truly feel this way — with this rehab, with my shoulder, I can’t look five months down the road, three months down the road, a week down the road. To me it’s about the next rehab session, the next day. That’s where my focus is and that’s where I think it needs to be to truly get back to 100 percent.”
That’s not exactly the most confidence-inspiring quote from Luck, but the Colts want to be cautious. They’ll take their time about getting him back on the field, and that may mean having him on the sideline when training camp opens.
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Andrew Luck unsure whether he’ll be ready for training camp
June 13, 2017, 5:36 PM EDT
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck is recovering from shoulder surgery, and he’s not sure how long that recovery will take.
Luck said today that he simply doesn’t know yet whether he can run the offense when the Colts open training camp on July 29.
“To be honest, I have not thought about it,” Luck said, via Zak Keefer of the Indianapolis Star. “If I’m ready for it, then great. If I’m not, then that’s the way it is. I’m certainly hopeful for it. In my mind all I can do — and I truly feel this way — with this rehab, with my shoulder, I can’t look five months down the road, three months down the road, a week down the road. To me it’s about the next rehab session, the next day. That’s where my focus is and that’s where I think it needs to be to truly get back to 100 percent.”
That’s not exactly the most confidence-inspiring quote from Luck, but the Colts want to be cautious. They’ll take their time about getting him back on the field, and that may mean having him on the sideline when training camp opens.
Man, he must have messed up that shoulder real bad.
infantrycak
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I jacked my shoulder 30 years ago skiing. Can't throw anything with speed. Damn thing sounds like a gravel truck if I try to force it. You've taken apart a deer. There ain't much holding a shoulder together to begin with.
I'm sure he had. He continued to play on it for a while, I think electing for surgery in the offseason. He hasn't been the same since.
CloakNNNdagger
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Myles Garrett today sustained what was initially called a left "foot" injury while rushing Osweiler. He has actually been dealing with a "sore foot" since the beginning of OTAs. Keep in mind that most non medical personnel do not distinguish between "foot" and "ankle" injuries.
What's important to note is that Garrett last Sept, he suffered a high ankle sprain which he evidently played through throughout the year. The last week in Oct, he formally further re-injured himself with a high ankle sprain which landed him again in a boot (see below).
He later finished out the season saying he sucked it up (poor choice). 2016 was not exactly an impressive year for Garrett. The high ankle sprains were also on the left. It's interesting to note that he also incurred a "foot fracture" which crossed the growth plate of the bone (see below; growth plates of the long bones are located near either end) in high school. The actual bone or the side was not identified. But if it was on the left, it would usually lead to stunted/unequal growth of the bone, with potential risks of life-long mechanical issues. Even if it was on the right it would still potentially have mechanical implications for the left lower limb.
Although Hue Jackson initially that it was not the same injury as he was dealing with last season, I have my serious doubts..........and if not, it is probably a compensatory injury to a high ankle sprain that has never quite stabilized.
Not a great decision to play virtually the entire 2016 on a high ankle sprain. This recent event is certainly not a great sign for things to come for this very talented young man.
What's important to note is that Garrett last Sept, he suffered a high ankle sprain which he evidently played through throughout the year. The last week in Oct, he formally further re-injured himself with a high ankle sprain which landed him again in a boot (see below).
He later finished out the season saying he sucked it up (poor choice). 2016 was not exactly an impressive year for Garrett. The high ankle sprains were also on the left. It's interesting to note that he also incurred a "foot fracture" which crossed the growth plate of the bone (see below; growth plates of the long bones are located near either end) in high school. The actual bone or the side was not identified. But if it was on the left, it would usually lead to stunted/unequal growth of the bone, with potential risks of life-long mechanical issues. Even if it was on the right it would still potentially have mechanical implications for the left lower limb.
Although Hue Jackson initially that it was not the same injury as he was dealing with last season, I have my serious doubts..........and if not, it is probably a compensatory injury to a high ankle sprain that has never quite stabilized.
Not a great decision to play virtually the entire 2016 on a high ankle sprain. This recent event is certainly not a great sign for things to come for this very talented young man.
The1ApplePie
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Greg Robinson traded to Detroit for a 6th rounder. Good Lord what a bust
I admit, he was the guy I wanted in that draft.
CloakNNNdagger
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Regarding Myles Garrett, it was just revealed (unnamed source) that he suffered what was called a left "foot" injury during rookie minicamp which actually landed him in a boot for awhile. If this is indeed a true compensatory "foot" injury, it could very well be a Lisfranc. And if so, there would have been soreness and bruising at the bottom of the foot that should have immediately tipped them off. And if this is the case, even a mild Lisfranc tear, Garrett had no business playing on that foot for a couple of months to see if it would heal conservatively (which most do not especially in an elite big man, The Browns are getting an MRI that will define the injury. If the diagnosis of Lisfranc is confirmed, which was evidently aggravated in this most recent event, even if conservative approach is tried, it is likely that he will eventually still see the operating room.
CloakNNNdagger
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I could not see how Dennis Pita could come back from a third hip dislocation, which usually is associated with ligament and labrum tears. From what I've been able to find out, this time, his dislocation includes not only ligament and labrum tears.........but also a hip joint fracture. He is considering his options.............unfortunately, with this type of injury his only realistic option is to take his money and enjoy the rest of his life.
CloakNNNdagger
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Some writers should just shut down their computer instead of trying to be the first one to break news without having all the information.
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Myles Garrett still having his left foot evaluated and missed last day of minicamp
Updated on June 15, 2017 at 6:04 PM Posted on June 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM
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Gallery: Browns Myles Garrett idle after foot injury in minicamp
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
BEREA, Ohio -- Myles Garrett was still in the process of having his left foot evaluated on Thursday and missed the final day of minicamp.
The Browns had no other update on the No. 1 overall pick's injury on Thursday, other than a team spokesman saying the club viewed it as a positive that he was able to walk off the field on his own after suffering the injury on Wednesday.
Granted, he limped off, but it was better than being carted off or immediately going in for X-rays.
Coach Hue Jackson did not address the media on the final day of minicamp, because position coaches and coordinators were on the docket instead.
Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams declined to comment on Garrett's injury, but complimented the little he saw of him during OTAs and minicamp.
"He's done a great job,'' said Williams. "It's still way early, but you guys are going to see a pretty good football player when he gets a chance to get out there and go. I've got a big smile on my face, I'm just waiting to let him show everybody before I talk about him.''
Defensive line coach Clyde Simmons also declined to address the injury.
"He is everything we (expected,)'' Simmons said. "Coach Jackson will handle all of the injury stuff. Myles is everything we expected."
The Browns declined to comment on a report by NFL Network's Ian Rapoport that "the belief is'' Garrett is "fine,'' according to a source. A team spokesman said nothing had changed from the morning update that he was still being evaluated.
Garrett, who suffered a high left ankle sprain last season at Texas A&M that nagged him all year and limited him to 8 1/2 sacks, likely underwent X-ray, an MRI or a CT scan on the foot. It's unknown if he'll exercise his right to seek a second opinion from an independent foot specialist.
The players are now off until training camp begins in late July, and it remains to be seen if Garrett, who was limited throughout OTAs with a sore foot, will be able to train much during the break.
Garrett was still in Berea on Thursday, but not outside with the rest of the healthy and injured players during practice. In previous spring practices that he sat out, he rode the exercise bike off to the side and worked with a trainer.
The injury occurred late in practice on Wednesday after Garrett had rested on the sidelines for more than 15 minutes. On his second snap back on the field, he fell to his knees after a would-be sack of Brock Osweiler and immediately clutched his left foot. Garrett remained down a few moments limping to the sidelines.
Examined on the sidelines, he was up walking around after a few minutes, but with an obvious limp.
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Besides Luck's bad luck, the Colts are continuing to have difficulties putting together the semblance of a viable running back group.
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Although the Browns have still not given an update on Myles Garrett, he is now again
in a walking boot.
in a walking boot.
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The Saints LT Terron Armstead will be missing ~ six months (if all goes well) having suffered a torn labrum in his shoulder during Wednesday's practice. He been dealing with chronic quad and knee issues. So the Saints have yet another addition to their list of injured and have lost one of the top LTs in the NFL.
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Miles Garrett has been given a final diagnosis of lateral ankle sprain. The Browns say that they think that he will be ready for TC. The grade of sprain has not been reported. But the fact that there was foot bruising and he has been seen in a boot, it appears that he has suffered at least a severe Grade II sprain.
There are not a lot of reliable objective criteria and clinical tests that one can use to determine whether the athlete has fully recovered from an ankle sprain. This as well as the fact that the ligaments are permanently stretched is why up to 40 percent of all athletes who suffer a grade II or III lateral ankle sprain will go on to long-term sequelae from the original injury.
Despite the frequency of lateral ankle sprains in athletes, the outcomes associated with these injuries are less than optimal. Players who sustain initial ankle sprains demonstrate high recurrence rates, prolonged symptoms, diminished quality of life, reduced physical activity levels across the lifespan, a propensity to develop chronic ankle instability, and an increased risk for ankle osteoarthritis.
There are not a lot of reliable objective criteria and clinical tests that one can use to determine whether the athlete has fully recovered. This may be one reason why up to 40 percent of all athletes who suffer a grade II or III lateral ankle sprain will go on to long-term sequelae from the original injury.
Grade I and II sprains are usually braced and mobilized very quickly. Grade III sprains and sometimes severe Grade II are are typically cast below the knee or placed in a rigid walking boot. Therefore, it appears that Foreman at very least has sustained a Grade II sprain.
As I mentioned before, time to return to play is many times difficult to determine and players and coaches tend to treat lateral ankle sprains as more of a nuisance than a serious injury.......and unfortunately commonly they tend to treat them as such. Grade II sprains may return 8-10 weeks trying to minimize re-injury. Keep in mind it takes and ankle ligament 12 weeks for a ligament to heal.
It will be interesting to see when he actually does return (not to running which may come quite earlier) to play football. The likely residual contributory past severe high ankle sprain plus this new lower ankle injury makes him much more vulnerable to lower limb injuries going into his NFL career.
[ADDENDUM: ESPN is now reporting that the a left lateral foot sprain and not a fracture or Lisfranc injury that he sustained in rookie minicamp, and which never really resolved totally,was unrelated to this most recent left foot injury. A "lateral foot sprain" is a rather very nondescript way of describing an injury (I'm not convinced that this could not still refer to a lateral ANKLE sprain), and leaves it up to several possibilities. As posted before, with the bruising finding, he is dealing with at least a severe Grade II tear. Most will take at least 6 weeks before trying any significant activity, but as posted before the ligaments will not be healed before 12 weeks. They may try to give him some light activity during TC, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not ready for week 1 of the regular season. Seems like the different left lower limb injuries are already adding up before the season even begins. Still not a good career sign outside rusher.]
There are not a lot of reliable objective criteria and clinical tests that one can use to determine whether the athlete has fully recovered from an ankle sprain. This as well as the fact that the ligaments are permanently stretched is why up to 40 percent of all athletes who suffer a grade II or III lateral ankle sprain will go on to long-term sequelae from the original injury.
Despite the frequency of lateral ankle sprains in athletes, the outcomes associated with these injuries are less than optimal. Players who sustain initial ankle sprains demonstrate high recurrence rates, prolonged symptoms, diminished quality of life, reduced physical activity levels across the lifespan, a propensity to develop chronic ankle instability, and an increased risk for ankle osteoarthritis.
There are not a lot of reliable objective criteria and clinical tests that one can use to determine whether the athlete has fully recovered. This may be one reason why up to 40 percent of all athletes who suffer a grade II or III lateral ankle sprain will go on to long-term sequelae from the original injury.
Grade I and II sprains are usually braced and mobilized very quickly. Grade III sprains and sometimes severe Grade II are are typically cast below the knee or placed in a rigid walking boot. Therefore, it appears that Foreman at very least has sustained a Grade II sprain.
As I mentioned before, time to return to play is many times difficult to determine and players and coaches tend to treat lateral ankle sprains as more of a nuisance than a serious injury.......and unfortunately commonly they tend to treat them as such. Grade II sprains may return 8-10 weeks trying to minimize re-injury. Keep in mind it takes and ankle ligament 12 weeks for a ligament to heal.
It will be interesting to see when he actually does return (not to running which may come quite earlier) to play football. The likely residual contributory past severe high ankle sprain plus this new lower ankle injury makes him much more vulnerable to lower limb injuries going into his NFL career.
[ADDENDUM: ESPN is now reporting that the a left lateral foot sprain and not a fracture or Lisfranc injury that he sustained in rookie minicamp, and which never really resolved totally,was unrelated to this most recent left foot injury. A "lateral foot sprain" is a rather very nondescript way of describing an injury (I'm not convinced that this could not still refer to a lateral ANKLE sprain), and leaves it up to several possibilities. As posted before, with the bruising finding, he is dealing with at least a severe Grade II tear. Most will take at least 6 weeks before trying any significant activity, but as posted before the ligaments will not be healed before 12 weeks. They may try to give him some light activity during TC, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not ready for week 1 of the regular season. Seems like the different left lower limb injuries are already adding up before the season even begins. Still not a good career sign outside rusher.]
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CloakNNNdagger
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VY who was signed to a CFL contract, tore a hamstring during TC.........and has been released.
Hopefully he doesn't drive home drunk.
TheRealJoker
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Eric Decker has signed a 1 year deal with the Tennessee Titans.
They are going to be tough this season!
They are going to be tough this season!
After reading what CnD said about Decker, I'm not worried about that signing
TheRealJoker
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That makes me feel better!
Sidenote: Are there any healthy players in the league? I want @CloakNNNdagger to put together an NFL all clean bill of health team!
No this is the NFL... not for long
Norg?
CloakNNNdagger
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That makes me feel better!
Sidenote: Are there any healthy players in the league? I want @CloakNNNdagger to put together an NFL all clean bill of health team!
My approach/reply to this is that teams should put more thought into the NUMBER of the player's injuries, the SEVERITY of the injuries, the PROXIMITY in time that the injury/ies were incurred, and the implications of the injury/ies as to HOW IT MAY SPECIFICALLY AFFECT THAT PLAYER'S ABILITY TO PLAY HIS PARTICULAR POSITION. Paying attention to these variables can usually help teams avoid self-inflicted wounds.
CloakNNNdagger
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A very sad picture, but it appears that Michael Oher is still in the NFL Concussion Protocol since a concussion he sustained Sept of last year. There is undoubtedly residual brain damage for this to be happening.
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Panthers appear ready to move on from Michael Oher.
The sad saga involving Oher has stretched out over nearly nine months, dating to late-September when he first reported post-concussion symptoms. Oher skipped OTAs, then flew from Nashville to Charlotte last week to meet with team doctors.
Oher’s recent Instragram post of 10 prescription pill bottles and the fact that he remains in the concussion protocol should convince him and the Panthers it’s time to focus on his life after football.
The Panthers could save $4.5 million against the salary cap by cutting Oher, who would likely qualify for the maximum $1.1 million a year under the league’s injury protection benefit.
Rivera didn’t say much about the situation last week, but he did not sound like a coach who expects to have Oher with him in Spartanburg.
“We’ll have 90 on the roster and we’ll be ready to go with those guys,” said Rivera, who did not speak to Oher during the team’s minicamp.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article156865999.html#storylink=cpy
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Panthers appear ready to move on from Michael Oher.
The sad saga involving Oher has stretched out over nearly nine months, dating to late-September when he first reported post-concussion symptoms. Oher skipped OTAs, then flew from Nashville to Charlotte last week to meet with team doctors.
Oher’s recent Instragram post of 10 prescription pill bottles and the fact that he remains in the concussion protocol should convince him and the Panthers it’s time to focus on his life after football.
The Panthers could save $4.5 million against the salary cap by cutting Oher, who would likely qualify for the maximum $1.1 million a year under the league’s injury protection benefit.
Rivera didn’t say much about the situation last week, but he did not sound like a coach who expects to have Oher with him in Spartanburg.
“We’ll have 90 on the roster and we’ll be ready to go with those guys,” said Rivera, who did not speak to Oher during the team’s minicamp.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article156865999.html#storylink=cpy
CloakNNNdagger
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USA TODAY reports that Eric Decker, now a Titan, received a signing bonus of $2.5 million and a base salary of $1.35 million..........a base deal of $3.85 million.......with incentives bringing that number up to $1.5 million more.
CloakNNNdagger
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$70 million in guarantees with $40 million guaranteed at signing
CloakNNNdagger
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This is going to open up a real can of worms. I am familiar with the process that the "evidence" was taken from, and unfortunately for many reasons, it has not been medically validated.
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Federal appeals court seems to accept evidence of CTE in living patients
June 23, 2017, 4:07 PM EDT
One of the most widely-accepted realities of Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy has been undermined by one of the highest courts in the United States.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, one of various appellate courts that sit one step below the Supreme Court, has ruled in a case involving former NFL linebacker Jesse Solomon that the joint NFL-NFL Players Association Disability Plan abused its discretion in denying Solomon’s claim for disability benefits. In so doing, the court seemed to accept the notion that Solomon, who was involved in 69,000 high-speed collisions while playing football, has “CTE-related disability” and “CTE injuries.”
While hardly a medical finding that CTE can indeed be diagnosed without examining the brain tissue of a deceased patient, the court’s 13-page ruling seems to accept as a given the notion that CTE can be diagnosed based on a combination of MRIs and an assessment of symptoms.
It’s possible that those observations slipped in to the final written decision because the lawyers representing the Plan didn’t sufficiently focus on that point in written materials or while arguing the case in the courtroom. As to the former, it’s possible the lawyers regarded the inability to firmly diagnose CTE in living patients as a given. As to the latter, and based on a press release issued by Solomon’s lawyers, it’s possible the lawyers were too busy taking flak from judges to quibble with medical and scientific niceties.
“Why is the Plan fighting him so incredibly hard?” Judge Dennis Shedd said. “And when he makes the claim through your own doctor that he’s got a problem? . . . Why in the world would you – I guess current players don’t want money to come out for past players, or something? . . . Why in the world would any player playing professional football . . . look at this and go, ‘This is one heck of a great deal for players.’ We play as hard as we can, give everything we got, get banged up — I saw something in the record [about] 69,000 tackles, that’s incredible. We do all we can, and then we apply and when doctors say I have a problem based on those hits, and they say, ‘You’re not orthopedically disabled, go away.’ . . .
“Somebody ought to scratch their head and say, Does this really look good? We don’t have much of a legal argument, but we’re willing to fight it to the death to deny somebody . . . Does that make sense to you? . . . Do you think that looks good to players, what’s going on in this courtroom today? It’s not necessarily part of the determination, I’m just asking a real-world question.”
The real-world outcome is that Solomon will receive disability benefits, because the panel unanimously concluded that the Plan “relied on no evidence at all” in rejecting Solomon’s claim. It’s a stunning observation given the supposed sensitivity to brain injuries. Perhaps more importantly, the ease with which the judges seemed to agree that Solomon proved that he has CTE while still alive raises renewed questions about whether the massive concussion settlement should have allowed players to secure benefits if they can sufficiently prove that they suffer from CTE.
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Federal appeals court seems to accept evidence of CTE in living patients
June 23, 2017, 4:07 PM EDT
One of the most widely-accepted realities of Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy has been undermined by one of the highest courts in the United States.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, one of various appellate courts that sit one step below the Supreme Court, has ruled in a case involving former NFL linebacker Jesse Solomon that the joint NFL-NFL Players Association Disability Plan abused its discretion in denying Solomon’s claim for disability benefits. In so doing, the court seemed to accept the notion that Solomon, who was involved in 69,000 high-speed collisions while playing football, has “CTE-related disability” and “CTE injuries.”
While hardly a medical finding that CTE can indeed be diagnosed without examining the brain tissue of a deceased patient, the court’s 13-page ruling seems to accept as a given the notion that CTE can be diagnosed based on a combination of MRIs and an assessment of symptoms.
It’s possible that those observations slipped in to the final written decision because the lawyers representing the Plan didn’t sufficiently focus on that point in written materials or while arguing the case in the courtroom. As to the former, it’s possible the lawyers regarded the inability to firmly diagnose CTE in living patients as a given. As to the latter, and based on a press release issued by Solomon’s lawyers, it’s possible the lawyers were too busy taking flak from judges to quibble with medical and scientific niceties.
“Why is the Plan fighting him so incredibly hard?” Judge Dennis Shedd said. “And when he makes the claim through your own doctor that he’s got a problem? . . . Why in the world would you – I guess current players don’t want money to come out for past players, or something? . . . Why in the world would any player playing professional football . . . look at this and go, ‘This is one heck of a great deal for players.’ We play as hard as we can, give everything we got, get banged up — I saw something in the record [about] 69,000 tackles, that’s incredible. We do all we can, and then we apply and when doctors say I have a problem based on those hits, and they say, ‘You’re not orthopedically disabled, go away.’ . . .
“Somebody ought to scratch their head and say, Does this really look good? We don’t have much of a legal argument, but we’re willing to fight it to the death to deny somebody . . . Does that make sense to you? . . . Do you think that looks good to players, what’s going on in this courtroom today? It’s not necessarily part of the determination, I’m just asking a real-world question.”
The real-world outcome is that Solomon will receive disability benefits, because the panel unanimously concluded that the Plan “relied on no evidence at all” in rejecting Solomon’s claim. It’s a stunning observation given the supposed sensitivity to brain injuries. Perhaps more importantly, the ease with which the judges seemed to agree that Solomon proved that he has CTE while still alive raises renewed questions about whether the massive concussion settlement should have allowed players to secure benefits if they can sufficiently prove that they suffer from CTE.
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CloakNNNdagger
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This desperate defense by Floyd and the Vikings does not make any sense when you really get into the facts. But when some attorneys get involved, it doesn't have to make sense.
Vikings support Michael Floyd’s kombucha tea defense
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2017, 2:52 PM EDT
When it comes to his effort to avoid jail for violating the terms of his house arrest, Vikings receiver Michael Floyd has an ally: His employer.
According to Brian Murphy of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Vikings C.O.O. Kevin Warren sent a letter to the presiding judge supporting Floyd’s claim that he didn’t know kombucha tea contains alcohol.
“I am writing to request Mr. Floyd not have his court mandated requirements negatively impacted since he did not know the kombucha he ingested contained alcohol,” Warren wrote in the letter dated June 21.
In a sworn affidavit, Floyd said the team encourages players to drink the tea for health reasons, and that it is “on tap” at the team’s training facility. (That may not be the best choice of words.) Floyd also hired a forensic pathologist to explain that, because Floyd purchased a case of kombucha tea without refrigerating it, additional fermentation occurred, elevating its alcohol content.
Perhaps most importantly for Floyd’s case, the forensic pathologist concluded that, based on Floyd’s explanation regarding the amount of kombucha tea he ingested before failing multiple home alcohol tests, the time frame during which he drank it, and the blood-alcohol concentration that was measured, the numbers are “achievable and consistent” from consuming kombucha tea “to a reasonable degree of medical and scientific certainty.”
The question now becomes whether prosecutors have hired an expert of their own to dispute the conclusions from Floyd’s expert, or whether prosecutors will simply say, “It doesn’t matter. He was prohibited from consuming alcohol.” Ultimately, the question will be whether the judge is motivated by any of this to give Floyd a pass or to say, “It doesn’t matter. He was prohibited from consuming alcohol.”
Vikings support Michael Floyd’s kombucha tea defense
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2017, 2:52 PM EDT
When it comes to his effort to avoid jail for violating the terms of his house arrest, Vikings receiver Michael Floyd has an ally: His employer.
According to Brian Murphy of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Vikings C.O.O. Kevin Warren sent a letter to the presiding judge supporting Floyd’s claim that he didn’t know kombucha tea contains alcohol.
“I am writing to request Mr. Floyd not have his court mandated requirements negatively impacted since he did not know the kombucha he ingested contained alcohol,” Warren wrote in the letter dated June 21.
In a sworn affidavit, Floyd said the team encourages players to drink the tea for health reasons, and that it is “on tap” at the team’s training facility. (That may not be the best choice of words.) Floyd also hired a forensic pathologist to explain that, because Floyd purchased a case of kombucha tea without refrigerating it, additional fermentation occurred, elevating its alcohol content.
Perhaps most importantly for Floyd’s case, the forensic pathologist concluded that, based on Floyd’s explanation regarding the amount of kombucha tea he ingested before failing multiple home alcohol tests, the time frame during which he drank it, and the blood-alcohol concentration that was measured, the numbers are “achievable and consistent” from consuming kombucha tea “to a reasonable degree of medical and scientific certainty.”
The question now becomes whether prosecutors have hired an expert of their own to dispute the conclusions from Floyd’s expert, or whether prosecutors will simply say, “It doesn’t matter. He was prohibited from consuming alcohol.” Ultimately, the question will be whether the judge is motivated by any of this to give Floyd a pass or to say, “It doesn’t matter. He was prohibited from consuming alcohol.”
Once you understand you can't win Super Bowls without guys like that, it makes more sense.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Luck has still not begun any throwing. He is already 6 1/2 months from his shoulder labrum surgery. Keep in mind, for this kind of surgery, he will require ~6 weeks of "rehab throwing" before he is even allowed to join the team for on-field drills.