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Sellout for Deshaun Watson

amazing80

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I think it's time for us to make a big move and go up and grab the best. I am tired of watching us draft project QBs and bring in trash free agents. Sell the farm and move up for Watson, let him start from day 1. I want a bonafide star and proven winner. He brings athleticism we've never had at the position and his accuracy will flourish in this dink and dunk system.

Sign a couple free agents on the oline and let this kid command our offense.
 
amazing80 said:
I think it's time for us to make a big move and go up and grab the best. I am tired of watching us draft project QBs and bring in trash free agents. Sell the farm and move up for Watson, let him start from day 1. I want a bonafide star and proven winner. He brings athleticism we've never had at the position and his accuracy will flourish in this dink and dunk system.

Sign a couple free agents on the oline and let this kid command our offense.
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We did that last year..............
 
How do we fix the OL when we "sell the farm" for a QB? Or are we going to repeat the same mistake again?
 
PapaL said:
How do we fix the OL when we "sell the farm" for a QB? Or are we going to repeat the same mistake again?
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I wouldn't sell the farm, but a trade up to the mid-teens could be a possibility. I think we could be in a position to address both OL and QB. If we don't re-sign Aboushi, after cutting Bergstrom and Clark we save $5.5M. Assuming we don't re-sign Bouye and even after extending Hopkins, we could have enough to afford some of the better FA OL. A combination of Ricky Wagner and TJ Lang is possible financially, even if we don't save anything on Newton's contract this year. There are a few top level guards available that could help us out. We wouldn't have alot of money left over for other FAs, but signing several top level FA OL would allow us not feel compelled to take an OL early in this draft. I'd be in favor of trading up if we found ourselves having accomplished that in FA.
 
PapaL said:
How do we fix the OL when we "sell the farm" for a QB? Or are we going to repeat the same mistake again?
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Hopefully our first couple of picks are top notch O line players. Then just maybe get lucky and find a good SS in the third. Best hope is that we can find a steal at QB in the fourth. Maybe Kelly will still be there. If we can sneak him past McNair.

:coffee:
 
TexansSeminole said:
I wouldn't sell the farm, but a trade up to the mid-teens could be a possibility.
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Agreed, I can't see us trading up into the top 10. Though I'd applaud the Texans if they were to do so. But trading into the 10~20 range...


Disclaimer, I haven't even begun to look into these QBs, so I don't know that any of them are/aren't worth a top half slot... I'm just saying.
 
cuppacoffee said:
If you are asking me the answer is no. Look it up.

If so, what's your point. I see absolutely no comparison there.


:coffee:
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No I was asking the OP. I think selling the farm is a bad idea. Too Cleveland like to pin all your hopes on a QB that looked good because his team did well. I don't know much about Watson, but did he improve every year? His stats are scary. Can he be great on a mediocre team?
 
cuppacoffee said:
Hopefully our first couple of picks are top notch O line players. Then just maybe get lucky and find a good SS in the third. Best hope is that we can find a steal at QB in the fourth. Maybe Kelly will still be there. If we can sneak him past McNair.

:coffee:
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And that's why I wouldn't sell the farm ala Saints for Ricky Williams. I don't see a point in bringing in a guy to get him killed.
I'm not sure what K.J. Dillon brings to the table but again it feels like we're always trying to find a Safety and a QB.
Another thing I don't get, I think our backups are fairly decent (for the most part) but they're terrible on STs.
I'm off topic; my bad.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed, I can't see us trading up into the top 10. Though I'd applaud the Texans if they were to do so. But trading into the 10~20 range...


Disclaimer, I haven't even begun to look into these QBs, so I don't know that any of them are/aren't worth a top half slot... I'm just saying.
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I haven't looked at film on all of them but Kizer, Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes and Peterman all look like they could be better than Savage.
It's still a crap shoot on if any could be ready to start day 1 in a complicated system though.
The first four are worth day one status and in a qb hungry league the four could all go in the first round although with so much talent on D, there could easily be a few talented O guys slide down a bit in the first 32.
 
Texansphan said:
I haven't looked at film on all of them but Kizer, Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes and Peterman all look like they could be better than Savage.
It's still a crap shoot on if any could be ready to start day 1 in a complicated system though.
The first four are worth day one status and in a qb hungry league the four could all go in the first round although with so much talent on D, there could easily be a few talented O guys slide down a bit in the first 32.
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If nothing else, I think O'b has proven that he can win without a QB.

If he can ever find one that can build on what he learned week after week, it should be scary for the rest of the league.
 
if we can only give up this yr's draft picks to get decent qb. rather do that than hope one of our dudes work out.
 
Which is
watt99x99 said:
if we can only give up this yr's draft picks to get decent qb. rather do that than hope one of our dudes work out.
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Which is why a competent vet is coveted and hard to come by - even if you have to give up a top pick or two to get one.
 
I enjoyed watching Watson play college ball but not convinced he or any other of this crop can translate to NFL. He took a beating in 2016 and his 17 INTs and 17 sacks are worrisome.
 
JB said:
Did you also want VY in '06?
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lol no. I will admit though, I did like me some Reggie Bush and still think to this day he would have excelled in our ZBS one cut and go. Of course, he would have needed coaching to learn to hit the hole and burst through it, but his athleticism and ability to make people miss would have been great under Gary and co.

I am not a UT fanboy and don't live in Texas, so VY was never my thing.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I wouldn't sell the farm, but a trade up to the mid-teens could be a possibility. I think we could be in a position to address both OL and QB. If we don't re-sign Aboushi, after cutting Bergstrom and Clark we save $5.5M. Assuming we don't re-sign Bouye and even after extending Hopkins, we could have enough to afford some of the better FA OL. A combination of Ricky Wagner and TJ Lang is possible financially, even if we don't save anything on Newton's contract this year. There are a few top level guards available that could help us out. We wouldn't have alot of money left over for other FAs, but signing several top level FA OL would allow us not feel compelled to take an OL early in this draft. I'd be in favor of trading up if we found ourselves having accomplished that in FA.
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Ricky Wagner should be our number one priority in FA unless we have a real shot at a quality starting QB. Second should be Leary (dallas OG).
 
badboy said:
I enjoyed watching Watson play college ball but not convinced he or any other of this crop can translate to NFL. He took a beating in 2016 and his 17 INTs and 17 sacks are worrisome.
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So after watching him play and then sitting back and seeing him play on the big stage National Champoionship game I am convinced this guy is gonna work out. In fact I would say, those sacks and INTs play a part in it too. Hear me out.
On the biggest stage when his team needed him to make a play, this dude was getting hammered in the backfield. If you go back and look at his last game, he gets sacked and rushed and hit etc....not once does this dudes eyeballs change. He stayed level headed, got up and made another play that moved the chains. I know stats do tell some tendencies, but Watson is a real leader and will not give up.

Lastly, all we keep hearing is how we just needed more competent play from the QB position. Ask yourself this, is Watson better than Brock right now? I believe so. If you get an opportunity to get him, and he's your guy, you pull the trigger. Sell the farm? HELL NO! But if a chance arises to move up to get him and you keep the majority of this draft. GO FOR IT.
 
I don't think 'is _______ better than Brock right now' should be the end all be all question on our future at QB.
 
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JB said:
Did you also want VY in '06?
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In case it escaped your attention, Vince had a good chance of becoming a good QB until Fisher decided to be Fisher all over him & destroyed the kid. Give VY to a coach with any touch at all and VY could have been first class instead of, well, what he turned out to be.
 
Offensive line has to be our top priority this year. Whether we do that through free agency or the draft is the only question. Wagner is the best RT available, but I've read that he could command close to $10 million per year & that would put him out of our range. The draft has some good depth along the line & would come a lot cheaper. We have to pay Osweiler next year, no matter what. I'm willing to give Osweiler & Savage one more year behind a much improved offensive line. We should be able to sign a decent veteran QB in free agency to compete with them. I hate the Cowboys, but I believe they more than proved the importance of a solid offensive line. Does anyone in their right mind truly believe Prescott would've had the success he had this year behind a mediocre line? Take a look at what happened to Luck in Indy. Only the Elite QB's can have any semblance of success behind a poor line. We should be able to land a starting RT in the first round & a starting RG in the second. Or, we could sign a RG in free agency & take a safety in the second round. If neither Osweiler or Savage steps it up this year, then I go all in, in next year's draft for our franchise QB.
 
watt99x99 said:
if we can only give up this yr's draft picks to get decent qb. rather do that than hope one of our dudes work out.
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This is a really good class for the NFL draft. This isn't the year to give up most of a draft for one player, its the year you wish you had more picks. Watson isn't the guy to do this for either, I could see moving up some spots if he falls into the late teens, but even then he has some things that should give pause, mainly the picks. The biggest argument for him is that he is a winner and he played well in the big game two years in a row. That is too simplistic to bet the house.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Hopefully our first couple of picks are top notch O line players. Then just maybe get lucky and find a good SS in the third. Best hope is that we can find a steal at QB in the fourth. Maybe Kelly will still be there. If we can sneak him past McNair.

:coffee:
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I could do any combination of a pair of offensive linemen and a SS. If they went OL-SS-OL or even SS-OL-OL I wouldn't care as long as they got the best player at that spot in the draft. Day 1 & 2 should be all about the OL with a SS in there too. After that I just don't care because it's long past time to get the OL together. This is year 3 of the O'Brien "regime/system" and these guys (if they were any good to begin with) should be playing like they know what each other is thinking about. Injuries and just plain shitty players have kept that from happening. I'd get 2 OL's in the first two days and still try to sign a decent one in free agency.
 
Texansphan said:
I haven't looked at film on all of them but Kizer, Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes and Peterman all look like they could be better than Savage. It's still a crap shoot on if any could be ready to start day 1 in a complicated system though.
The first four are worth day one status and in a qb hungry league the four could all go in the first round although with so much talent on D, there could easily be a few talented O guys slide down a bit in the first 32.
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I still think Savage can be better than Savage. Had his injury at the end of last season been anything other than a freak concussion I'd be really worried about the injury-prone label (and it's still too close to applying) but I think if he had a legitimate chance to win that starting job, and I'm talking playing/practicing with the 1's in preseason as much as Osweiler is then I think he beats Os out with ease and we see him begin to ascend.

I don't waste a draft pick on a QB this year. I roll with who we have and count on better OL play to make that 9 wins into 10-11 with the better QB play that results.
 
Hervoyel said:
This is year 3 of the O'Brien "regime/system" and these guys (if they were any good to begin with) should be playing like they know what each other is thinking about. Injuries and just plain shitty players have kept that from happening. I'd get 2 OL's in the first two days and still try to sign a decent one in free agency.
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Year 4 and maybe what is shitty is the coaching of the players. Plus they have done the world's most prolonged transition from ZBS to an unrecognizable destination. Most teams rip the bandaid off and transition in one offseason.
 
infantrycak said:
Year 4 and maybe what is shitty is the coaching of the players. Plus they have done the world's most prolonged transition from ZBS to an unrecognizable destination. Most teams rip the bandaid off and transition in one offseason.
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Yeah, it is year 4 isn't it. Wow, time really flies when you're enduring 9-7 seasons and terrible QB play year after year. Good points on the coaching and the worlds most prolonged transition. No idea what we're supposed to be when it's over.
 
Best QB in draft. Killed it at the combine. Probably 2 of the best championship games ever. Winner. What's not to like? College interceptions ? Mechanics? Pffff.

Too bad he'll be 1st QB taken and far awAy from a realistic Texan acquisition.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Hopefully our first couple of picks are top notch O line players. Then just maybe get lucky and find a good SS in the third. Best hope is that we can find a steal at QB in the fourth. Maybe Kelly will still be there. If we can sneak him past McNair.

:coffee:
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This would be what I would do.

Never happen on a team owned/ran by Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair.

Winning isn't that important to them.
 
Even you've got to be getting a little bored with this routine at this point..

Keep it up of course, or whatever, just don't get the slaughtered horse repetitive enthusiasm.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Hopefully our first couple of picks are top notch O line players. Then just maybe get lucky and find a good SS in the third. Best hope is that we can find a steal at QB in the fourth. Maybe Kelly will still be there. If we can sneak him past McNair.

:coffee:
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This would be what I would do.

Never happen on a team owned/ran by Bob/Cal/Ricky McNair.

Winning isn't that important to them.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Even you've got to be getting a little bored with this routine at this point..

Keep it up of course, or whatever, just don't get the slaughtered horse repetitive enthusiasm.
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Well let them find a QB and that might change my tune.

Along with some decent OL.

You don't understand the feeling one gets when being subjected to watching a yrs worth of the McNair's love child play some of the QB play in the history of the NFL.

I'm thru with talking about Ricky though it's a waste of time.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well let them find a QB and that might change my tune.

Along with some decent OL.
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By all means change it whenever the time comes, keep it as you like until then, just that this version of it is no news whatsoever to absolutely anyone.

You've played it like this to the point it now could cure insomnia, steel. That's all.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Even you've got to be getting a little bored with this routine at this point..

Keep it up of course, or whatever, just don't get the slaughtered horse repetitive enthusiasm.
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Do you think the Texans would ever have players like Cook/Foster/Kelly (3 differencemakers) on their team? (I don't) Why wont they should be the question and is probably why they have never been real contenders.

I just wish for one draft they would step out of their norm and take a chance.

Would you care to comment on this instead of giving us the great insight that you've brought to this subject before.
 
if texans do not want to find real qb in the draft then maybe trade down for more draft. since this draft is good one.

with more pick get more body for linebackers. see if anyone can play run/cover decent.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you think the Texans would ever have players like Cook/Foster/Kelly (3 differencemakers) on their team? (I don't) Why wont they should be the question and is probably why they have never been real contenders.

I just wish for one draft they would step out of their norm and take a chance.

Would you care to comment on this instead of giving us the great insight that you've brought to this subject before.
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What's new to say here? It's been done round and round and round and the wall may even be ready to give in at this point.

As for the last part I've no idea what you're getting at, but ok.
 
Mollywhopper said:
What's new to say here? It's been done round and round and round and the wall may even be ready to give in at this point.

As for the last part I've no idea what you're getting at, but ok.
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He's on his other shtick - if you don't draft criminals/bad actors then you'll never win. It's demonstrably wrong and overlooks the Texans drafting (in the 1st no less) people with steroid and drug issues.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed, I can't see us trading up into the top 10. Though I'd applaud the Texans if they were to do so. But trading into the 10~20 range...


Disclaimer, I haven't even begun to look into these QBs, so I don't know that any of them are/aren't worth a top half slot... I'm just saying.
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This is where i am. Im on board with mitch, watson, and mahomes though i dont believe the texans will consider mahomes because of his style.

Im not "selling the farm" per se but maybe a move into the late teens at most i'd be ok with.

I honestly, think if we're targerting a qb we'll have to move to get him. If we stand pat and qb's are available teams will leap frog us reminiscent of miny and Bridgewater. They'll likely do the same for offensive linemen.
 
Well so far I would not call him a sellout. You should see him in interviews. He seems like a polite and polished young man.
 
Mollywhopper said:
What's new to say here? It's been done round and round and round and the wall may even be ready to give in at this point.

As for the last part I've no idea what you're getting at, but ok.
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Do you think they would pick guys like that?

What I'm getting at is what they are currently doing isn't working, they might as well give a guy like Kelly a try.

Thoughts?
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you think they would pick guys like that?

What I'm getting at is what they are currently doing isn't working, they might as well give a guy like Kelly a try.

Thoughts?
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I think Cook and Foster will both be gone when we pick, but if available I don't think we'd pass by measure of any hard and fast rule against them. Neither have been found guilty of anything major that I'm aware of. And Kelly would likely be seen as a potential mesh problem with OB's coaching style/philosophy more so than any off-field concerns. I've said before that I wouldn't mind a later round swing on Kelly, but I feel OB will be concerned, right or wrong, with whether he's got the maturity he'd prefer.

What they're currently doing also isn't dependent on drafting guys with troubled backgrounds, but again, we've been over and over and over this ad nauseam. You can win with a cleaner roster and I don't fault McNair too, too terribly for preferring that as such regardless of if I'd be willing to take on one or more guys that he'd be a little more wary of associating with.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I think Cook and Foster will both be gone when we pick, but if available I don't think we'd pass by measure of any hard and fast rule against them. Neither have been found guilty of anything major that I'm aware of. And Kelly would likely be seen as a potential mesh problem with OB's coaching style/philosophy more so than any off-field concerns. I've said before that I wouldn't mind a later round swing on Kelly, but I feel OB will be concerned, right or wrong, with whether he's got the maturity he'd prefer.

What they're currently doing also isn't dependent on drafting guys with troubled backgrounds, but again, we've been over and over and over this ad nauseam. You can win with a cleaner roster and I don't fault McNair too, too terribly for preferring that as such regardless of if I'd be willing to take on one or more guys that he'd be a little more wary of associating with.
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This is a fair assessment, I don't think BOB would have a problem working with Kelly and a coach like BOB would be the best thing for Kelly's career.

The Texans never have drafted guys like Cook/Foster and I dnt expect that to change. I too would like them to add guys with an edge to them but the Texans don't do that.
 
jradMIT said:
This is a really good class for the NFL draft. This isn't the year to give up most of a draft for one player, its the year you wish you had more picks. Watson isn't the guy to do this for either, I could see moving up some spots if he falls into the late teens, but even then he has some things that should give pause, mainly the picks. The biggest argument for him is that he is a winner and he played well in the big game two years in a row. That is too simplistic to bet the house.
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We hear this same shtick every damn year .... draft after draft.

If this team doesn't find a quarterback , nothing else matters. The defense could play up to the standard of the 85 Bears and ....we'd still watch them get sent home from New England.

Hervoyel said:
I still think Savage can be better than Savage. Had his injury at the end of last season been anything other than a freak concussion I'd be really worried about the injury-prone label (and it's still too close to applying) but I think if he had a legitimate chance to win that starting job, and I'm talking playing/practicing with the 1's in preseason as much as Osweiler is then I think he beats Os out with ease and we see him begin to ascend.

I don't waste a draft pick on a QB this year. I roll with who we have and count on better OL play to make that 9 wins into 10-11 with the better QB play that results.
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That OL was good enough to help the team to 9-7 and the second round of the playoffs with the worst quarterback play in the NFL.

How would they have looked with a competent quarterback under center ?!


I'd be addressing quarterback , either thru free agency , trade or the draft .... One way or another. Garappolo , Romo , Cutler , McCarron or the draft.

Not that I'm giving up the farm for any of these guys , its expected that Mahomes & Peterman are around when the Texans pick @ 25 , 57 and possibly 89 and I'd be content with either (or both).


We can patch the OL thru free agency and other draft picks.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair assessment, I don't think BOB would have a problem working with Kelly and a coach like BOB would be the best thing for Kelly's career.

The Texans never have drafted guys like Cook/Foster and I dnt expect that to change. I too would like them to add guys with an edge to them but the Texans don't do that.
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Kelly doesn't just have an edge .... he's acts like he's entitled and a sh!thead.

It's one thing to have an edge , its another to be a total jackass ....


That said , this is about winning football games and you gotta have talent to do that , Kelly definitely has talent .... I'd might take a shot on with him but not before the 5th round.

Hell he didn't get an invite to the combine , he might go undrafted.
 
Corrosion said:
We hear this same shtick every damn year .... draft after draft.

If this team doesn't find a quarterback , nothing else matters. The defense could play up to the standard of the 85 Bears and ....we'd still watch them get sent home from New England.



That OL was good enough to help the team to 9-7 and the second round of the playoffs with the worst quarterback play in the NFL.

How would they have looked with a competent quarterback under center ?!


I'd be addressing quarterback , either thru free agency , trade or the draft .... One way or another. Garappolo , Romo , Cutler , McCarron or the draft.

Not that I'm giving up the farm for any of these guys , its expected that Mahomes & Peterman are around when the Texans pick @ 25 , 57 and possibly 89 and I'd be content with either (or both).


We can patch the OL thru free agency and other draft picks.
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I'd really like Garappolo, failing that then add a QB every year until we find one... much like Cleveland. And if OB doesn't make one work this year, fire his A$$, much like Cleveland. Then fire the GM and give the new GM and new HC 4 years to get it right, unlike Cleveland
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair assessment, I don't think BOB would have a problem working with Kelly and a coach like BOB would be the best thing for Kelly's career.

The Texans never have drafted guys like Cook/Foster and I dnt expect that to change. I too would like them to add guys with an edge to them but the Texans don't do that.
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Edgy. Because being a provocative hipster is the new QB.

http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Edgy
 
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