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Franchise Tag Bouye?

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Should Bouye be franchised either to make him prove it another year or give the team more time to work out a deal and/or trade for him? Price tag is steep ~14M, Spotrac has his estimated market value of 11.4M. So to keep him you will have to put up at least 25M guaranteed over 5 years. The Texans are in a tough spot and either pay up or let him walk. I'm inclined to franchise and try to work out a deal or trade (not likely). If you do sign him either way, you have to cut or restructure Joseph to free up some money.
 
Yep, tag him. It's a no brainer IMO. Unless they can get a reasonable long term deal worked out. I saw it mentioned on Twitter that McNair wants to do that.
 
No. He's a one year wonder and a flag magnet. Could be good but isnt yet.

Isnt this why we drafted kjo?
 
powda said:
No. He's a one year wonder and a flag magnet. Could be good but isnt yet.

Isnt this why we drafted kjo?
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KJo never had the year Bouye just did, plus KJ has been oft injured for years now. I think the one year wonder argument works both ways, it lets you make him do it another year.
 
jradMIT said:
KJo never had the year Bouye just did, plus KJ has been oft injured for years now. I think the one year wonder argument works both ways, it lets you make him do it another year.
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Kjo has played well and is still cheap. Kjo hasnt had to play the year aj did. Are you really willing to give aj 11 mil a year at the expense of other positions? Pass.
 
Cornerback is in the second group of importance, its not easy to find a good one, if your not sold on the 1 year then FT him and make him do it again a one year commitment is small in the big scheme of things, its kinda like hedging your bets. Letting him walk kinda forces the Texans to go heavy CB in the next two drafts.
 
Not sure how reliable this site is.


If the Texans decide to give in and hand Bouye a contract that will pay him around $12 million a season, they would be investing $25 million in the cornerback position alone in 2017 since both Jonathan Joseph and Kareem Jackson are scheduled to make $6.5 million each, but plus over $3 million in bonus’.


Houston is only expected to have around $25 million in cap space. If they’re going to re-sign Bouye and make other moves in free agency, they may have to get creative when it comes to giving him a new contract
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https://www.google.com/amp/torotime...gn-a-j-bouye/amp/?client=ms-android-sprint-us
 
Don't tag him. That makes the player hate the franchise and start doggin' it. Then you're paying extra for less.
Negotiate with him and wrap him up if he's willing to take a reasonable offer. If not, let him test the FA market and then come back. Only let him take the long way. Around the world.
 
Seegara said:
Don't tag him. That makes the player hate the franchise and start doggin' it. Then you're paying extra for less.
Negotiate with him and wrap him up if he's willing to take a reasonable offer. If not, let him test the FA market and then come back. Only let him take the long way. Around the world.
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It depends on the player, but franchise tag or not, most players in a contract year (which obviously is what's gonna happen if a long-term deal can't be reached) aren't gonna "dog it" because their mad at the franchise. I think the technical term for that is "Cutting off your nose to spite your face".

I don't mind the franchise/transition tag if they feel like it will either result in a long-term deal prior to the deadline (essentially extending the exclusive rights period), or a trade for draft picks with another team.

If the Texans don't feel relatively certain of one of those two outcomes, then try to re-sign him, but don't tag him.
 
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Too much for a one year wonder. People forget that we have Kevin Johnson coming back to take that RCB position. While it would be great to have 4 top tier corners (moving Kareem is a TT suggestion), we can't sink that much money into someone who had a good year, especially in the form of a Franchise Tag.
 
I'm a Bouye fan but I wouldn't franchise him. We have too many other needs. Let him sign the big FA contract elsewhere and take the comp pick next year (since we won't be bringing in big money FA this offseason). Nuk needs his contract done first. He should be our #1 priority this offseason.
 
For one year of production I would set the max at 8m per year. If it takes more than that, stick with Joseph, Jackson and Johnson then draft another corner. FT price is way to steep for me.
 
Until proven otherwise, he's a one year wonder. But mistaking his talent as a one time event wouldn't be wise. You can never have enough good CBs. I'd do what it takes to keep him UNLESS it breaks the salary cap budget. We still don't have a QB.
 
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Save the franchise tag for DeAndre Hopkins when the time is right. Don't use it on anybody right now. We need every available cap space to give Tony Romo an incentive-based contract once he's released. We have Kevin Johnson, a future All-Pro lockdown corner coming back.

Next year at this time we can get out of that bad Brock Osweiler contract, which turns into a cap friendly $6 million dead money cap hit. By then Tomo Romo will have led us to a Super Bowl 52 victory and be raking in the big bucks "based on incentives" going into his second year as quarterback of the Texans. And we can slap the franchise tag on D-Hop if needed.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Save the franchise tag for DeAndre Hopkins when the time is right. Don't use it on anybody right now. We need every available cap space to give Tony Romo an incentive-based contract once he's released. We have Kevin Johnson, a future All-Pro lockdown corner coming back.

Next year at this time we can get out of that bad Brock Osweiler contract, which turns into a cap friendly $6 million dead money cap hit. By then Tomo Romo will have led us to a Super Bowl 52 victory and be raking in the big bucks "based on incentives" going into his second year as quarterback of the Texans. And we can slap the franchise tag on D-Hop if needed.
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So you want to franchise Hopkins two years in a row?
 
gs27 said:
For one year of production I would set the max at 8m per year. If it takes more than that, stick with Joseph, Jackson and Johnson then draft another corner. FT price is way to steep for me.
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I wonder if he'd sign a 5y/40m deal with say 25m guaranteed .... I think that's the bottom of his potential contract.
 
Scooter said:
(moving Kareem is a TT suggestion)
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Not really...

They talk about it on the radio all the time. It's not just a TT thing.

And he's played quite a bit of safety in this defense and he's practiced there as well.

This is from 2 seasons ago:

One adjustment Jackson is making is cross training at free safety. He lined up at safety as a starter in the Texans’ 48-21 loss, replacing free safety Rahim Moore as rookie Kevin Johnson got the start at cornerback.

Jackson played 42 snaps and played both free safety and cornerback, recording five tackles before leaving the game.

“It was pretty cool,” Jackson said. “Whatever I’ve got to do to help the team to get us a win, I’m definitely willing to do it. Wherever I’m out there, I’m willing to perform to the best of my ability to help the defense.”
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https://www.google.com/amp/blog.chr...cusses-playing-free-safety/amp/?client=safari
 
I don't think letting him walk is all that easy of a decision. I could see if there was a promising young corner on practice squad or if Robert Nelson had looked better, but neither of those things happened.

The reason I say you have to entertain keeping him is:

1) we've had issues covering good TE's and Bouye was pretty good against those guys when he played them. And he wasn't a world beater at all, but he made his share of plays.

2) Even if Kareem stays at corner you're looking at kjo who is coming off of a Foot injury which is an issue at CB.

3) Kareem is not all that as a corner plus he tends to miss time here and there.

4) Joseph is another year older and has another year of wear on his already injury riddled body.

There could very easily be a scenario where Bouye is the best corner active on gameday. That's not saying much for the cornerback position but iiwii.

Now if you let him go I think you have to take a corner in the draft. But, you're still looking at a rookie who very easily could be called upon to see major snaps. Heck, even if Bouye stayed I'm still taking a corner in this draft, albeit in the later rounds.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not really...

They talk about it on the radio all the time. It's not just a TT thing.

And he's played quite a bit of safety in this defense and he's practiced there as well.

This is from 2 seasons ago:

https://www.google.com/amp/blog.chr...cusses-playing-free-safety/amp/?client=safari
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Good info. I don't see it happening though. While a solid tackler and very natural in zone, he has proven too frail to take on multiple hits - so who between he and Hal is in the box? Kareem's also proven that when healthy he can be a great slot corner (without neck and hamstring injuries, we may win against NE). Joseph is LCB, Johnson is RCB and Kareem is slot. Bouye is the wildcard depending on his contract.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you want to franchise Hopkins two years in a row?
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Sure do if that's the case. I'm worried he's not going to re-sign here long term. He was pretty pissed off going into training camp last year when it came to a lack of contract negotiations, but kept his professionalism in tact.
 
Have to differ on some opinions. Any that have watched Bouye during his time here realize he wasn't a 'one year wonder'. It was actually solid player development. From the moment he was on the roster he improved each season when watching him closely and as someone who played the position for years I tend to do so. Seems more in these current days in the league we continually expect immediate results instead of allowing some players to develop at their position. Corner is graded by many to be the most difficult position on the defensive side of the ball in today's NFL especially with the rules involved. In a league where you spend more time than not in the nickel/dime packages than your base it is becoming more and more imperative you have three good corners.

Now with that said let's really look at the position. Kareem Jackson's skillset is not well suited for corner. It was nearly apparent at the beginning of his career and then he had a breakout season and carried it onto another where he showed more ability to getting his head around, locating the ball and opening up his hips better when running with the receiver. Unfortunately, the past couple of seasons he has reverted to his previous technique for whatever reason. It is flawed to say the least. He honestly would be better off attempting to develop himself at the safety position rather than corner or maybe working the slot for the short/intermediate coverage that generally shapes from that position.

While Jonathan Joseph is still capable even with his frustrating moments of giving so much cushion to receivers he, Jackson and Kevin Johnson have one issue in common. They continually get injured. I am not sure how any can feel comfortable relying on them for 16 games because they play musical chairs on the injury report. Johnson, of course, is still young but has had foot issues two seasons in a row. And while his play has been promising he has not played as well as Bouye did last season so is still developing his skillset.

With all that in mind do I feel the need to franchise Bouye? Maybe. Matters how the Texans feel regarding the talks they have had with Bouye already. I think he can be resigned without the tag honestly if handled properly. With that said, we should definitely not let him get away. Corners are valuable to say the least and last season was arguably our best. There is a reason there are a number of teams and fanbases targeting him right now.

As for the Hopkins franchise talk, he isn't a free agent until 2018 so the possibility of him being tagged isn't until next season so it doesn't play into the Bouye decision except in the case if the Texans intend on extended him this season and his cap impact for 2017. But if handled correctly they will make the impact fall onto the next season or something of that nature instead of the same one they intend to franchise someone like Bouye. In other words, it isn't something that should even affect this decision. Well, unless we have chimpanzees working the front office.
 
I"m not keen on letting him walk, but I'm even less keen on using a franchise tag on him. He simply doesn't have the long-term track record to justify it. In my mind, he'd be another overpaid option in the Texans long history of overpaying.

It's just too risky to put that much of the cap space on a still "largely unproven" commodity. I'd make him a reasonable 4-5 yr contract offer and take the risk that he walks.
 
disaacks3 said:
I"m not keen on letting him walk, but I'm even less keen on using a franchise tag on him. He simply doesn't have the long-term track record to justify it. In my mind, he'd be another overpaid option in the Texans long history of overpaying.

It's just too risky to put that much of the cap space on a still "largely unproven" commodity. I'd make him a reasonable 4-5 yr contract offer and take the risk that he walks.
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I'd feel like I was maybe watching Glover Quin go out the door again (I know, not a safety but still...) so I'd tag him. I'd take the chance of letting JJo go, saving $6 million in cap space and then start Bouye opposite Kareem Jackson and/or Kevin Johnson. Bouye gets the tag for a year to see if he can handle the pressure and can play well enough to earn a long-term contract. Ideally (IMO) we get it right and our corners become Bouye and Johnson with Kareem being the 3rd corner. Joseph is getting close to dropping off and looked like we might have kept him too long last year for much of the season.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Sure do if that's the case. I'm worried he's not going to re-sign here long term. He was pretty pissed off going into training camp last year when it came to a lack of contract negotiations, but kept his professionalism in tact.
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Wanna know how piss him off more ... ?
 
disaacks3 said:
I"m not keen on letting him walk, but I'm even less keen on using a franchise tag on him. He simply doesn't have the long-term track record to justify it. In my mind, he'd be another overpaid option in the Texans long history of overpaying.

It's just too risky to put that much of the cap space on a still "largely unproven" commodity. I'd make him a reasonable 4-5 yr contract offer and take the risk that he walks.
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The story (which I can't find any good links to) is that the Texans attempted to extend him during the season, and Bouye chose (wisely) to bet on himself. You don't define what you consider reasonable, but I'm guessing that Bouye believes there's huge payday waiting for him in free agency and isn't going to pass up the chance to see exactly what that means unless he's franchised or the Texans make him what you'd probably consider an unreasonable offer.
 
Glover Quin was more valuable than Bouye. Quin played a ton of roles for us and he did it well for multiple years. He had multiple skill sets. Bouye has one skill set, playing short coverage, which is what most CBs in this league can do. Quin did things that are difficult to find in players, Bouye does not.

Definitely not a Glover Quin situation.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Glover Quin was more valuable than Bouye. Quin played a ton of roles for us and he did it well for multiple years. He had multiple skill sets. Bouye has one skill set, playing short coverage, which is what most CBs in this league can do. Quin did things that are difficult to find in players, Bouye does not.

Definitely not a Glover Quin situation.
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Another difference is that we can pretty well rest assured that if they don't keep Bouye, it will be due to the money and not spending that large a percentage of the cap on the CB position. When Quin left, he signed a contract with the Lions that while more than the Texans ended up giving Ed Reed, wasn't all that much more.

Bottom line - the Texans let Glover Quin walk because they made the decision they wanted someone else taking that roster spot. If AJB ends up walking, it will be all financial.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'd feel like I was maybe watching Glover Quin go out the door again (I know, not a safety but still...) so I'd tag him. I'd take the chance of letting JJo go, saving $6 million in cap space and then start Bouye opposite Kareem Jackson and/or Kevin Johnson. Bouye gets the tag for a year to see if he can handle the pressure and can play well enough to earn a long-term contract. Ideally (IMO) we get it right and our corners become Bouye and Johnson with Kareem being the 3rd corner. Joseph is getting close to dropping off and looked like we might have kept him too long last year for much of the season.
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If we weren't in such dire cap circumstances, I might be OK with it (the tag). Quin we could've kept for considerably less, but Rick Smith was convinced we had cheaper guys who could fill the role.

Quin said the Texans told him during his last season in 2012 that they would work out a new contract. But it never happened. In fact, they never even made him an offer and as he sized up the Texans’ payroll, he understood he would be the odd man out.
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http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/10/26/detroit-lions-glover-quin/92802240/

That's the kind of multi-year deal I'd hope for with Bouye, but don't expect with our cap issues and our GM.

ChampionTexan said:
The story (which I can't find any good links to) is that the Texans attempted to extend him during the season, and Bouye chose (wisely) to bet on himself. You don't define what you consider reasonable, but I'm guessing that Bouye believes there's huge payday waiting for him in free agency and isn't going to pass up the chance to see exactly what that means unless he's franchised or the Texans make him what you'd probably consider an unreasonable offer.
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The story you reference is here - http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-unlikely-to-use-franchise-tag-10934353.php

Franchising him won't make him happy, especially if he wants to test those waters. I'm hoping for a cap-friendly deal at 11.5-12.5 mil/Yr. (which would put him @ #6-8 of top CB salaries per Sportrac) It's reasonable, and allows him some security...along with NOT having to learn a new defense.
 
I want to keep him. JJo is probably only good for one more year, Kareem Jackson is not a good corner (but might be a decent safety), and Johnson is injury prone. Most teams play at least 3 wideouts, so having depth at corner can't hurt. If we can't extend him, I'd hold my nose on the $14M and franchise him, but I would be trying for a deal like:

http://overthecap.com/player/byron-maxwell/1535/

Byron Maxwell signed a 6 year, $63 million contract with the Eagles on March 12, 2015. Maxwell received $25 million fully guaranteed. Maxwell's annual cap numbers for the six years don't eclipse $10M until the last 3 years, and there is zero dead money after the first 3 years of the deal.

That would preserve cap, give Bouye security in a great system for him, and let us keep a good corner that we developed.
 
PolarBear said:
I want to keep him. JJo is probably only good for one more year, Kareem Jackson is not a good corner (but might be a decent safety), and Johnson is injury prone. Most teams play at least 3 wideouts, so having depth at corner can't hurt. If we can't extend him, I'd hold my nose on the $14M and franchise him, but I would be trying for a deal like:

http://overthecap.com/player/byron-maxwell/1535/

Byron Maxwell signed a 6 year, $63 million contract with the Eagles on March 12, 2015. Maxwell received $25 million fully guaranteed. Maxwell's annual cap numbers for the six years don't eclipse $10M until the last 3 years, and there is zero dead money after the first 3 years of the deal.

That would preserve cap, give Bouye security in a great system for him, and let us keep a good corner that we developed.
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The only reason Maxwell has such a favorable dead money figure is because he was traded 1 year after signing a 6 year deal with the Eagles. $6M of that guaranteed money was through the signing bonus and another $6.5M was through a roster bonus for the 2015 season. Another $1M was his base salary in 2015. The terms of the trade are such that the Eagles have to pay for his signing bonus of $6M (they ate the remaining $4.8M of it in 2016 after paying $1.2M of it in 2015). The Dolphins didn't have to worry about that number over the course of the contract. So, when the Dolphins acquired him in 2016, the Eagles were on the hook or had already paid $13.5M of his $25M in guaranteed money. The Dolphins then renegotiated his contract, slightly increasing his guaranteed money from that point on from $11.5M to $13M through his base salary in order to lower his cap hits for the first two years of the contract. This, of course, works for Maxwell, because he gets paid regardless of the team that's paying him and receives more guaranteed money. It works for the Dolphins because most of the guaranteed money was already paid to him by the Eagles and they simply wanted to even out his cap hits for the next two years. He also played really poorly with the Eagles, so the Dolphins were protecting themselves so they could pay less for him in cap money before deciding whether to cut him if he didn't pan out.

That is a very unique situation that involves another team eating a significant portion of his guaranteed money, and therefore his dead cap figure. You won't sign a player outright on that kind of deal, so don't at all expect a deal like that for Bouye.

I think that situation is actually a good comparison to the Bouye situation. Here's a guy in Maxwell that played with a great defense, with good players, especially up front, with an excellent pass rush and great coaching. The Seahawks let him go, because they knew they could get similar production from another player or two and not have the defense fall off, given that Maxwell doesn't possess any unique traits. That's exactly what happened. The Seahawks haven't missed Maxwell at all, while Maxwell became one of the most targeted corners in the league in Philly. He was promptly cut one year after signing a huge deal.
 
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I think the Texans need to remind him that he's just one of several pieces that make up this defense. Would love to see you hang around and enjoy the ride but it would be 100% on the teams terms. At this juncture, the cannot afford to be handicapped salary cap wise if he turns into a one-season wonder. If he hangs with this defense...very good chance he could duplicate his success. Go to a team that's going to pay ridiculous money and they're going to be building a defense and you will not have the benefit of Watt and Clowney making your job easier. I'd offer him a simple 3 year contract with 2 years guaranteed at 7-8M a season. If he proves 2016 wasn't a fluke, he's back in the FA pool at the end of 2019, unless the Texans exercise the option. Either way, his payday is going way up. That's a win-win for an UDFA who just had his only very good season.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I think the Texans need to remind him that he's just one of several pieces that make up this defense. Would love to see you hang around and enjoy the ride but it would be 100% on the teams terms. At this juncture, the cannot afford to be handicapped salary cap wise if he turns into a one-season wonder. If he hangs with this defense...very good chance he could duplicate his success. Go to a team that's going to pay ridiculous money and they're going to be building a defense and you will not have the benefit of Watt and Clowney making your job easier. I'd offer him a simple 3 year contract with 2 years guaranteed at 7-8M a season. If he proves 2016 wasn't a fluke, he's back in the FA pool at the end of 2019, unless the Texans exercise the option. Either way, his payday is going way up. That's a win-win for an UDFA who just had his only very good season.
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If he could receive probably 20-25 % more in compensation including guaranteed money over 4 years or more from another team like the Titans who already have a franchise QB why wouldn't he make that move vs staying here in Houston ? If it's me I'm gone in a heart beat. Easy decision.
 
IDEXAN said:
If he could receive probably 20-25 % more in compensation including guaranteed money over 4 years or more from another team like the Titans who already have a franchise QB why wouldn't he make that move vs staying here in Houston ? If it's me I'm gone in a heart beat. Easy decision.
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Yeah whats missing is the fact the Salary Cap is set to rapidly increase over the next few years. So there will be salary inflation coming about, numbers like used to indicate a huge figure like 10M a year won't mean the same as they used to before. Looking at Bouye, he will easily get a deal worth 10M a year, the question is will he take a 10M year deal from Houston or bolt when someone offers him 12M+ a year.
 
IDEXAN said:
If he could receive probably 20-25 % more in compensation including guaranteed money over 4 years or more from another team like the Titans who already have a franchise QB why wouldn't he make that move vs staying here in Houston ? If it's me I'm gone in a heart beat. Easy decision.
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How excited will he be about that contract if he finds out that he's not near the CB everyone thought without the Texans defensive front 7 helping him become the DB he thought he had become? This has happened many times in the NFL and all you can hope for is that he's got a lot of money tucked away for a rainy day. Tough to set aside that pride and go back to work at a veteran's minimum contract with incentives.
 
Latest info from PFT:

“I talked to my agent, and I’m not mad that they probably won’t franchise me, just because of how much the franchise tag is for a corner,” Bouye said to Albert Breer of TheMMQB.com. “It’s a lot. At the same time, the situation in Houston, money-wise, there’s no telling what’s going to happen. At the end of the day, I know they want to bring me back, but they have other things they have to address, which I totally understand.”

Breer spoke to an AFC personnel exec who said he believes Bouye will be the “clear king of the class” in free agency once tags are given out and referenced the five-year, $62 million deal that Janoris Jenkins signed with the Giants last year. That’s heady territory for an undrafted player who got his first extended playing time last season, but it doesn’t sound unrealistic given the rising cap and the constant need for cornerbacks around the league.
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If we let Bouye walk without an offer I will be very disappointed. JJo is getting older, Jackson is garbage. To have Bouye and KJo as our future at CB would be great for us. I would trade Jackson to keep Bouye if money was an issue. I think Jackson and Joseph need to redo their deals. Extend Joseph another 1-2 years and tell Jackson to re-structure to a team friendly deal. They are not our future on defense. Kevin Johnson, Bouye and Nelson are.
 
amazing80 said:
If we let Bouye walk without an offer I will be very disappointed. JJo is getting older, Jackson is garbage. To have Bouye and KJo as our future at CB would be great for us. I would trade Jackson to keep Bouye if money was an issue. I think Jackson and Joseph need to redo their deals. Extend Joseph another 1-2 years and tell Jackson to re-structure to a team friendly deal. They are not our future on defense. Kevin Johnson, Bouye and Nelson are.
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I obviously disagree about Bouye, but Nelson is our future? Dude was pure garbage anytime he touched the field.
 
amazing80 said:
If we let Bouye walk without an offer I will be very disappointed. JJo is getting older, Jackson is garbage. To have Bouye and KJo as our future at CB would be great for us. I would trade Jackson to keep Bouye if money was an issue. I think Jackson and Joseph need to redo their deals. Extend Joseph another 1-2 years and tell Jackson to re-structure to a team friendly deal. They are not our future on defense. Kevin Johnson, Bouye and Nelson are.
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While I like Bouye a lot; I was among the very small minority that think he will make the team his rookie year.
The guy can play press.
But you have to remember that he was put in a good situation.

On the other hand, as was often the case in KJax' rookie year, the safeties took turn to make mistakes, but KJax was in the vicinity so some people thought that those were his mistakes.
I've seen a few this past year.

KJax and JJo are the two guys that allow the GM the flexibility to concentrate on other areas of the D.
True that they both got beat sometimes, but not the way people keep thinking.
 
After RB Arian Foster Bouye was probably Rick Smiths best signing of an undrafted rookie FA so we should just count ourselves lucky that we had such a bargain deal for what, 4 years ?
So it's only fair now that Bouye has a big Payday but we can no longer afford him so lets just move on and wish him well and hope he doesn't sign with a division opponent.
 
IDEXAN said:
After RB Arian Foster Bouye was probably Rick Smiths best signing of an undrafted rookie FA so we should just count ourselves lucky that we had such a bargain deal for what, 4 years ?
So it's only fair now that Bouye has a big Payday but we can no longer afford him so lets just move on and wish him well and hope he doesn't sign with a division opponent.
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Lucky? It would be lucky to find a good player who actually stuck around for a 2nd contract. To my knowledge, only 2 non 1st rounders have ever seen a 2nd contract under Rick Smith (Derek Newton and Garrett Graham).

Of course, having the talent to even offer a 2nd contract is a huge issue as well.

Not saying back the Brinks up to Bouye's front door, but they need to start finding a way to keep the few good football players they do find.
 
Speedy said:
Lucky? It would be lucky to find a good player who actually stuck around for a 2nd contract. To my knowledge, only 2 non 1st rounders have ever seen a 2nd contract under Rick Smith (Derek Newton and Garrett Graham).

Of course, having the talent to even offer a 2nd contract is a huge issue as well.

Not saying back the Brinks up to Bouye's front door, but they need to start finding a way to keep the few good football players they do find.
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Owen Daniels? Eric Winston? I'm sure there are others...
 
JB said:
Owen Daniels? Eric Winston? I'm sure there are others...
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Actually many others starting with Demeco Ryans. I dunno but I think Speedy needs to get up to speed on his history of Texans personnel.
 
Speedy said:
Lucky? It would be lucky to find a good player who actually stuck around for a 2nd contract. To my knowledge, only 2 non 1st rounders have ever seen a 2nd contract under Rick Smith (Derek Newton and Garrett Graham).

Of course, having the talent to even offer a 2nd contract is a huge issue as well.

Not saying back the Brinks up to Bouye's front door, but they need to start finding a way to keep the few good football players they do find.
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Strange post.
 
Guess what folks, if Kevin Johnson doesnt get injured..... Bouye doesnt have the type of season he had, who cares if the 4th CB doesnt stay imo
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Guess what folks, if Kevin Johnson doesnt get injured..... Bouye doesnt have the type of season he had, who cares if the 4th CB doesnt stay imo
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Except that the first three are a combination of injury prone and/or old and they might not even be as good as the fourth, because based on last year he wouldn't be the fourth going forward new contract or not. He played like the number one last year.


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jradMIT said:
Except that the first three are a combination of injury prone and/or old and they might not even be as good as the fourth, because based on last year he wouldn't be the fourth going forward new contract or not. He played like the number one last year.


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Hes not taking JJos spot or KJos. Kareems probably gonna be moved to safety
 
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