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Update: Jake Long Signed by Dolphins

kastofsna

kastofsna

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according to NBC

http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2008/04/long-long-day-at-the-top.html
The Dolphins flirtations with Michigan tackle Jake Long over the past few weeks have been well-publicized but this morning, with six days to go before the draft, a league source is indicating that a contract agreement is nearly in place.

Word that Miami initiated talks with Long's agent, Tom Condon, surfaced almost two weeks ago. Condon actually was in South Florida to meet with Dolphins officials. Miami's also made overtures toward Vernon Gholston but little other progress has been mentioned.

Meanwhile, with Jake Long off the board, the St. Louis Rams are a lock to go with defense at No. 2 and, according to the same league source, the camp of Virginia defensive end Chris Long is very confident that's where he'll be headed.
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kast,

i think its the right play for your team at this point in time. beck deserves a shot being that an early 2nd was used to draft him and mcfadden has too many red flags with his family's involvement in ganglife, drugs, and fighting and his own involvement in physical altercations involving his brothers. jake long is the smart move and the safest pick to move forward. Dorsey just doesnt fit a Parcells 3-4 scheme so he is pretty much a non-choice off the bat.

you finally get someone to replace Richmond Webb to protect your QB and you hope that Beck can excel under new leadership. You need a playmaker at WR but I think you should be able to get a good guy with your 2nd Rounder or perhaps even in the 3rd Round to compliment Ginn as a potential WR duo. One thing is for sure, Parcells will get the kids to play hard and that alone should help them improve in wins. The AFC East may be a little rougher this year with the Jets littany of moves and possibly getting McFadden, but I still think 3 divisional wins is an achievable goal for the Fins.
 
Bad move because the guy has issues handling the speed guys off the edge.
He was owned by Gholson, the Ohio State phenom, every year they had their
Big 10 games vs. each other. But he will be a solid RT in the NFL for years and in that respect he's one of the safer high picks. But LTs are the only Olineman that should be top 5 picks, let alone #1 overall.
 
nunusguy said:
Bad move because the guy has issues handling the speed guys off the edge.
He was owned by Gholson, the Ohio State phenom, every year they had their
Big 10 games vs. each other. But he will be a solid RT in the NFL for years and in that respect he's one of the safer high picks. But LTs are the only Olineman that should be top 5 picks, let alone #1 overall.
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If the top player on your board is Jake Long, then you draft Jake Long, regardless of what position he plays.
 
I could be wrong, but I see him as being "solid" but not a great LT. Maybe he would be better at RT I don't know, but I do know you aren't picking a RT at #1 overall.
 
bah007 said:
If the top player on your board is Jake Long, then you draft Jake Long, regardless of what position he plays.
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When it comes to high picks, especially like the very highest picks, you take the player on the Board who you expect would be the most valuable to your team over the long-term.
 
here's what i imagine is Parcells' line of thinking with this pick:


so based on previous drafts, we know he likes the the freaky athletic type to play the DE/OLB. i don't think he sees that in Chris Long. C. Long has a bit of a ceiling on him, and his athleticism, while great, doesn't jump off the page to you, especially for the position that Parcells would want this player to play. so i'm starting to think that C. Long isn't even on Parcells' mind right now. just not an exciting prospect to him.

Vernon Gholston, however, is definitely that type of player. extremely speedy and agile, who has improved every single year, from game to game, even, which means a lot considering how relatively new he is to the DE position. the roof is extremely high. Parcells looks at him as a Demarcus Ware type. very special player.

now, with Jake Long, he doesn't see a high roof as with Gholston, but he does see a very good tackle who could make the transition to LT in the pros with a few tweaks in his game. Parcells looks at him as a more athletic Jumbo Elliot.

now just based on the descriptions of each player, you'd just assume he'd take Gholston. but Parcells views the LT position as being more valuable than that special DE/OLB. he wants to run the ball hard and often with Ronnie Brown, and he wants to protect his young QB's blind-side.

but if J. Long turns down this offer, Parcells won't hesitate to scoop up Gholston.
 
can they 'sign' long and then pick gholston #1? ie they sign long and then go to gholston and offer the same contract- if he accepts, they take him then?
 
Maddict5 said:
can they 'sign' long and then pick gholston #1? ie they sign long and then go to gholston and offer the same contract- if he accepts, they take him then?
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According to Casserly on NFLN tonight, we discussed the same contract with both Bush and Mario and agreed in principle with both of them. Then we decided to go with Mario instead of Bush and finalized the wording of the contract.

So, yeah, they could agree in principle with J Long and then go talk to Gholston.
 
beerlover said:
glad the Texans don't have to worry about this choice, but if they did who would we take?
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That's hard. IMO we wouldn't be looking at Chris Long either for our team because we have an all-around DE in Mario. It would be hard to justify the #1 overall on another DE in general. Jake Long still projects to the right side in the NFL and we are set at RT with Winston. Yes, Jake would be an upgrade, but not enough to warrant him as the top pick for us. I still feel that Dorsey will be the biggest bust in the top 5, so he is an obvious no pick IMO. I would probably go with Gholston and have him as my bookend DE and give him more of a Freeny role with Mario on the other side.
 
beerlover said:
amazing, first post to answear the 60 million dollar question & you hit it out of the park :)
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For our team, I'd go with the better pass rusher and more athletic guy. Upside seems to be a theme with our picks recently. I don't think Chris Long would be the pick.
 
beerlover said:
best talent I agree but how would the Texans feel about his character & off the field issues?
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Good question...

I think that they'd have to talk to him and see where his head was...

I don't think he's a bad kid...But who knows....

I think that if were just going off of who'd help our team the most, McFadden would be that guy...
 
Very interesting pick by Parcells, that O Line is really starting to look good; Long, Carey, Satele, Smiley, (insert OG here). This makes it real interesting for St. Louis, they have a lot more time to figure who they want, although I think it's going to be a pretty quick decision (Chris Long).
 
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?
 
nunusguy said:
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?
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Adam Schefter?

Yeah, that's hopefully what he meant. I can't believe the Dolphins would offer a player that much guaranteed.
 
nunusguy said:
Schefield (spelling) on the NFLNetwork just reported the Dolphins signed
J.Long. He said he got 37 million guaranteed, but that cant be right ? Maybe
he meant 30.7 M ?
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just an fyi, not sure on the source

MIAMI - The Miami Dolphins have reached an agreement with former Michigan OT Jake Long on a five-year, $57.5 million contract, including $30 million guaranteed.
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Kaiser Toro said:
just an fyi, not sure on the source
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The Dolphins have reached an agreement with former Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long on a five-year, $57.5 million contract that includes $30 million in guaranteed money, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807e7335&template=with-video&confirm=true
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The NFL.com is also reporting 30 flat. I was watching the cable channel and
I'm sure the guys said 37, but apparently he pulled a Clinton (misspoke),
or perhaps I even misheard.
Anyway, isn't 30 about what the Raiders QB got last year ?
 
nice. good to get someone signed before the draft.

Russell got a 6 years, 61 million contract with 32 in guaranteed money.
 
If we had the pick it would be between Chris Long & Vernon Gholston. Most likely end up with Long.

Still think Vernon Gholston would of been the better pick for Miami.
 
And for MORE links to follow....NBC sports reporting on what FOX sports is reporting...

Yet ANOTHER link

Like the Texans w/ Mario, I really wish they'd waited to announce...just to make things more interesting on Draft Day (I like watching Execs scramble).
 
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?
 
nunusguy said:
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?
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parcells wants to run the ball more than anything, and with the signings of Justin Smiley and now Jake Long, along with Vernon Carey and Samson Satele, the makings of a great run-blocking line are in place. Long may not be the best LT out there right now, but his problems seem coachable.
 
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.
 
good signing... i think jake will be a good LT. and if that doesn't work out, stick him on the right side.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.
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C. Long isn't a freakish athlete like those two. if he would've taken a DE like Ware or LT, it would've been Gholston.
 
nunusguy said:
Still a surprising pick to me.
The primary philosophy of this pick seems to be to minimize the downside:
Jake Long is absolutely guaranteed to be a very, very good NFL RIGHT tackle.
Now whether or not he's an outstanding Left tackle or even succeeds at that position in the NFL is a big uncertainty. It always is with Left Tackle, but more so with this guy. For example, most agree that Ryan Clady & Chris Williams are both better pass-blocking LTs than Long. And in this day and age of the NFL, that's generally considered to be the top task of LTs.
Very Interesting by Parsells ?
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Unless of course Parcells trolls the boards and saw my logic about getting a great RT and a left handed QB. He might be getting ready to make a play for Chris Simms.
 
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Long will be their RT.

Good move. This is typical Parcells. This is his type of guy. Personally I was surprised that he didn't take the motor of Chris Long since he loves the LT and Ware type guys. But overall they are set to run their backs.
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Why is it a good move to use the #1 overall pick on a RT ? And I just saw
the 'Phins presser live and they brushed aside any thought of using him anyplace but LT. So we shall see ?
But, he is a tremendous football player, no doubt. Say aren't we playing them this year ? Mario vs JL ?
 
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