Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by kastofsna, Apr 21, 2008.
according to NBC
i think its the right play for your team at this point in time. beck deserves a shot being that an early 2nd was used to draft him and mcfadden has too many red flags with his family's involvement in ganglife, drugs, and fighting and his own involvement in physical altercations involving his brothers. jake long is the smart move and the safest pick to move forward. Dorsey just doesnt fit a Parcells 3-4 scheme so he is pretty much a non-choice off the bat.
you finally get someone to replace Richmond Webb to protect your QB and you hope that Beck can excel under new leadership. You need a playmaker at WR but I think you should be able to get a good guy with your 2nd Rounder or perhaps even in the 3rd Round to compliment Ginn as a potential WR duo. One thing is for sure, Parcells will get the kids to play hard and that alone should help them improve in wins. The AFC East may be a little rougher this year with the Jets littany of moves and possibly getting McFadden, but I still think 3 divisional wins is an achievable goal for the Fins.
Bad move because the guy has issues handling the speed guys off the edge.
He was owned by Gholson, the Ohio State phenom, every year they had their
Big 10 games vs. each other. But he will be a solid RT in the NFL for years and in that respect he's one of the safer high picks. But LTs are the only Olineman that should be top 5 picks, let alone #1 overall.
If the top player on your board is Jake Long, then you draft Jake Long, regardless of what position he plays.
Isn't Long going to be playing LT?
i'm sure they'll coach 'em up to play LT.
I could be wrong, but I see him as being "solid" but not a great LT. Maybe he would be better at RT I don't know, but I do know you aren't picking a RT at #1 overall.
When it comes to high picks, especially like the very highest picks, you take the player on the Board who you expect would be the most valuable to your team over the long-term.
which should also be the top player on your board.
here's what i imagine is Parcells' line of thinking with this pick:
so based on previous drafts, we know he likes the the freaky athletic type to play the DE/OLB. i don't think he sees that in Chris Long. C. Long has a bit of a ceiling on him, and his athleticism, while great, doesn't jump off the page to you, especially for the position that Parcells would want this player to play. so i'm starting to think that C. Long isn't even on Parcells' mind right now. just not an exciting prospect to him.
Vernon Gholston, however, is definitely that type of player. extremely speedy and agile, who has improved every single year, from game to game, even, which means a lot considering how relatively new he is to the DE position. the roof is extremely high. Parcells looks at him as a Demarcus Ware type. very special player.
now, with Jake Long, he doesn't see a high roof as with Gholston, but he does see a very good tackle who could make the transition to LT in the pros with a few tweaks in his game. Parcells looks at him as a more athletic Jumbo Elliot.
now just based on the descriptions of each player, you'd just assume he'd take Gholston. but Parcells views the LT position as being more valuable than that special DE/OLB. he wants to run the ball hard and often with Ronnie Brown, and he wants to protect his young QB's blind-side.
but if J. Long turns down this offer, Parcells won't hesitate to scoop up Gholston.
can they 'sign' long and then pick gholston #1? ie they sign long and then go to gholston and offer the same contract- if he accepts, they take him then?
According to Casserly on NFLN tonight, we discussed the same contract with both Bush and Mario and agreed in principle with both of them. Then we decided to go with Mario instead of Bush and finalized the wording of the contract.
So, yeah, they could agree in principle with J Long and then go talk to Gholston.
they can agree but they certainly can't sign.
glad the Texans don't have to worry about this choice, but if they did who would we take?
Chris Long.. Imagine Chris Long and Mario at the ends.....
That's hard. IMO we wouldn't be looking at Chris Long either for our team because we have an all-around DE in Mario. It would be hard to justify the #1 overall on another DE in general. Jake Long still projects to the right side in the NFL and we are set at RT with Winston. Yes, Jake would be an upgrade, but not enough to warrant him as the top pick for us. I still feel that Dorsey will be the biggest bust in the top 5, so he is an obvious no pick IMO. I would probably go with Gholston and have him as my bookend DE and give him more of a Freeny role with Mario on the other side.
amazing, first post to answear the 60 million dollar question & you hit it out of the park
That's what I am talking about.
I think Chris Long is an amazing football player. He sheds blocks like a mad man and he never stops coming.
For our team, I'd go with the better pass rusher and more athletic guy. Upside seems to be a theme with our picks recently. I don't think Chris Long would be the pick.
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