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QB Quinn Gray (update) signs with Texans

Is there a confused looking smiley that opens and closes his mouth while its brain seems to be working something over?

Because I just had one of those moments when I read that CnD.
 
Bubbajwp said:
If we dont trade sage this year and he either doesnt play or plays bad then next year he will have nearly no value.

Who here wish's the Astros would have traded Brad Lidge after 05. I do.
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exactly. its almost a lose-lose proposition to keep Sage. if he gets time this year like last year he will demand a trade if not given the starting QB job which would diminish value because teams knew we had to deal him. if he isn't used he would probably ask for a trade to a team that needs a starter and we would probably feel more secure at QB stability if Schaub stays healthy and effective.

Sell high (trading Sage for 2nd rounder) and buy low and hope it matures (Gray). I don't think a 3rd Rounder is enough for Sage though. I would actually take a 5th Rounder this year and a Vikings 2nd Rounder next year for Sage.
 
Texan in Japan said:
The cover story...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5645519.html
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Gotta love McClain's Waffle del Grande at the end of the article. I guess he's just covering all the possibilities :rolleyes::

Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith would like to get back the second-round pick they gave to Atlanta last year in the trade for Schaub.

Gray gives the Texans flexibility. He could be insurance in case the Texans are offered a second-round pick by Minnesota or any other team. When opposing quarterbacks are injured in preseason, they might be able to trade Gray for a draft choice or a player.
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Up until now - and in that article up until the final two paragraphs, it's been no, no, no, the Texans aren't considering trading Sage and they're going to carry three QBs ...

It's funny how before the internet, sports writers and op/ed columnists used to help shape the views of fans. Now with blogs, message boards, email and things like pft it's the other way around.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its almost a lose-lose proposition to keep Sage.
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A second round pick, especially since we don't have one this year, would be very tempting. But wouldn't you feel better if we had atleast one full-year of Schaub at QB to establish his ability and durability before we delt the QB who many feel is just as good ?
 
nunusguy said:
A second round pick, especially since we don't have one this year, would be very tempting. But wouldn't you feel better if we had atleast one full-year of Schaub at QB to establish his ability and durability before we delt the QB who many feel is just as good ?
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Honestly, I think it's a matter of "who a small minority feel is just as good" turning that into "many" is quite an exageration imho.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
exactly. its almost a lose-lose proposition to keep Sage. if he gets time this year like last year he will demand a trade if not given the starting QB job which would diminish value because teams knew we had to deal him. if he isn't used he would probably ask for a trade to a team that needs a starter and we would probably feel more secure at QB stability if Schaub stays healthy and effective.


Sell high (trading Sage for 2nd rounder) and buy low and hope it matures (Gray). I don't think a 3rd Rounder is enough for Sage though. I would actually take a 5th Rounder this year and a Vikings 2nd Rounder next year for Sage.
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Again, there was a difference. No one even considered a Lidge trade until AFTER he showed that he was not reliable. That's not the Sage scenario.
 
nunusguy said:
A second round pick, especially since we don't have one this year, would be very tempting. But wouldn't you feel better if we had atleast one full-year of Schaub at QB to establish his ability and durability before we delt the QB who many feel is just as good ?
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As I've said before, I see no way Sage is going anywhere this year........and Quinn is in for the Texans to evaluate up close. As other teams' QBs go down..........and options have been "dried up," Quinn's value goes straight up in the mix of available "promising/potentially capable" QB's. When all is taken into account, a future Quinn based deal is the most probable.
 
aj. said:
Gotta love McClain's Waffle del Grande at the end of the article. I guess he's just covering all the possibilities :rolleyes::



Up until now - and in that article up until the final two paragraphs, it's been no, no, no, the Texans aren't considering trading Sage and they're going to carry three QBs ...

It's funny how before the internet, sports writers and op/ed columnists used to help shape the views of fans. Now with blogs, message boards, email and things like pft it's the other way around.
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Its still "no, no, no" in my mind. McClain is speculating on possible moves - like we've been doing for 13 pages on this thread.

Its like I said several pages back; Kubiak has been head coach two years and has lost a QB both years. Both starters if you're real about it - there's no way Carr would have finished out the 2006 season had Rosenfels not busted his hand on a special teams play. We all know this. So when Kubiak says....
"I know what people are saying, but signing Quinn has absolutely nothing to do with it," Kubiak said about acquiring Gray to expedite a trade for Rosenfels. "I've been a two-quarterback type of guy, but what happened to us last season scared the heck out of me, and I don't want to go through that again.
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and...
"I don't know what we would have done if something had happened to Sage," Kubiak said. "I don't want to go through that again. I think my philosophy has changed. I've become more of a three-quarterback guy.
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...I TOTALLY believe him. Not only that, I agree.

Slow down and think about, you guys know our luck with injuries! Its always sucked! ALWAYS!! What the heck makes you think its suddenly and magically gonna get better?? It would be just our luck for us to trade Sage then have Matt go down again and have to have Quinn Gray as our starter and Shane Boyd as the back-up. Or worse have to bring in somebody like Culpepper in mid-season. No thank you.

I like this insurance idea.
 
I'm like many others, I'm puzzled how we got Quinn so cheaply ? It just doesn't add up, given the very high consideration teams pay in cash
and Draft picks for the service of QBs, e.g. what we paid for a very unproven but high potential Matt Schaub.
 
nunusguy said:
I'm like many others, I'm puzzled how we got Quinn so cheaply ? It just doesn't add up, given the very high consideration teams pay in cash
and Draft picks for the service of QBs, e.g. what we paid for a very unproven but high potential Matt Schaub.
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A few ideas:

1. In some of his wins, he was mostly handing off the ball. It is hard to evaluate quarterbacks who come from a team which is one of the best at running the ball.

2. He doesn't have that big college background to look at. He is athletic but doesn't have a traditional QB build.

3. There is some noise that he wasn't the best guy in the locker room. That he undermined Garrard. But then again, JAX situation last year at the QB spot was a freaking emotional mess. Lots of locker room unhappiness that didn't explode because the team was winning with Garrard. So I am guessing that is what is meant with hiim wanting a fresh start. And that his desire to compete for the starting job is not something that a lot of teams appreciate in the guy who is going to be a backup QB.

4. Given Kubiak's background, Houston is a destination for quarterbacks looking to improve.
 
"I know what people are saying, but signing Quinn has absolutely nothing to do with it," Kubiak said about acquiring Gray to expedite a trade for Rosenfels.
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If that's the case, why wait so long after free agency started to bring Gray in? Gray was the first and last QB they looked at, and it took nearly a month after FA began. Why doesn't da General ask that question?

When these teams like the Vikings, Bills, and Pack settle the QB position without trading for Rosenfels, then I'll believe Kubiak is keeping Gray as a 3rd QB.
 
aj. said:
Gotta love McClain's Waffle del Grande at the end of the article. I guess he's just covering all the possibilities :rolleyes::



Up until now - and in that article up until the final two paragraphs, it's been no, no, no, the Texans aren't considering trading Sage and they're going to carry three QBs ...

It's funny how before the internet, sports writers and op/ed columnists used to help shape the views of fans. Now with blogs, message boards, email and things like pft it's the other way around.
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Well said.

Something that the article doesn't mention but I've wondered about is whether if the Texans had a viable #3 at the end of last season, Schaub would have got his shoulder surgery earlier. There was a time where there were discussions of whether Schaub would be dressed just for purposes of mostly handing off the ball.

Though the waffle del grande at the end is where the meat of this situation is, I sometimes wonder if Houston will ever get a newspaper that is more directly questioning of what is being put out in press conferences. I'm not saying that they need to be more critical as in harsh, but showing more critical thinking about moves that the team makes.
 
"I know what people are saying, but signing Quinn has absolutely nothing to do with it," Kubiak said about acquiring Gray to expedite a trade for Rosenfels. "I've been a two-quarterback type of guy, but what happened to us last season scared the heck out of me, and I don't want to go through that again.

and...

Quote:
"I don't know what we would have done if something had happened to Sage," Kubiak said. "I don't want to go through that again. I think my philosophy has changed. I've become more of a three-quarterback guy
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These two quotes could easily be smokescreens to raise the value of Sage even more. Or atleast to keep it from falling.
 
Lucky said:
If that's the case, why wait so long after free agency started to bring Gray in? Gray was the first and last QB they looked at, and it took nearly a month after FA began. Why doesn't da General ask that question?

When these teams like the Vikings, Bills, and Pack settle the QB position without trading for Rosenfels, then I'll believe Kubiak is keeping Gray as a 3rd QB.
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Dude.....

you're so right. :cool:
 
Texans_Chick said:
Well said.

Something that the article doesn't mention but I've wondered about is whether if the Texans had a viable #3 at the end of last season, Schaub would have got his shoulder surgery earlier. There was a time where there were discussions of whether Schaub would be dressed just for purposes of mostly handing off the ball.

Though the waffle del grande at the end is where the meat of this situation is, I sometimes wonder if Houston will ever get a newspaper that is more directly questioning of what is being put out in press conferences. I'm not saying that they need to be more critical as in harsh, but showing more critical thinking about moves that the team makes.
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I think if that was the case they would just let Owen Daniels come in to be the emergency QB.
 
Bubbajwp said:
I think if that was the case they would just let Owen Daniels come in to be the emergency QB.
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But they were still talking Schaub up as someone who might play games even when he wasn't. Which may have been a matter of having teams semi-prepare for him.

I think they may have preferred Schaub with a messed up non-throwing arm over using their TE as a quarterback.

In basic terms, they really were screwed if something bad happened to Rosenfels. That being said, I'm not sure that you need a Quinn Gray to be your #3 to succeed.

Interesting thing brought up in the DGDB&D blog. By aquiring Gray, you may have in some ways increased your leverage by taking one of the potential competant backups off the QB market. And have increased interest by others by putting yourself in a position where other teams know you can deal but don't have to.
 
We were willing to TALK to Minnesota before we even had Gray in place. I don't think this is going to take Sage off the table.

BUT... for the price that we paid for Gray and our past experience with injuries, I believe Kubiak when he says that we're going to go with 3 QB's from now on and that Gray was brought in to battle with Boyd for that third spot.

However, if someone offers us the right deal, I think we'll deal Sage. And there's a good possibility that things may work out (with injuries and the draft) that some team could get really desperate for a QB.

We're really in a pretty sweet position. We don't have to deal Sage. We're planning on going ahead with what we've got but if someone wants to throw a sweet deal our way, then great. If not, then great.

:thinking:

Smithiak rools.
 
nunusguy said:
A second round pick, especially since we don't have one this year, would be very tempting. But wouldn't you feel better if we had atleast one full-year of Schaub at QB to establish his ability and durability before we delt the QB who many feel is just as good ?
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I certainly wished I had been in a one year relationship with a beautiful woman that had a great job and thought I was the man of her dreams + she could cook. Having said that I would quickly settle for the telephone #(draft pick) that someone said fits the description of the woman above that I don't have. This woman may come in my life after I start dating the other (draft pick) but I have to go with what I have. Unfortunately, I keep getting third round opportunities rather than seconds.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Can McKinney not demand renegotiation of his contract (including guaranteed money and bonuses) from the receiving team prior to the completion of the trade (ala Hall from the Raiders)?
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Hall had stroke to play with in the deal because he was only under contract through 2008. No team trading for him would want to do the deal unless a new contract was reached. McKinnie is almost in the opposite position and has no stroke because he is under contract through 2013. His only option is to sit out at which point he is not getting paid and the Texans would have zero money on their cap.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
BUT... for the price that we paid for Gray and our past experience with injuries, I believe Kubiak when he says that we're going to go with 3 QB's from now on and that Gray was brought in to battle with Boyd for that third spot.
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Have the Texans re-signed Boyd? I can't find anything on him, whether he's an exclusive free agent, a restricted free agent, or what.
 
infantrycak said:
Hall had stroke to play with in the deal because he was only under contract through 2008. No team trading for him would want to do the deal unless a new contract was reached. McKinnie is almost in the opposite position and has no stroke because he is under contract through 2013. His only option is to sit out at which point he is not getting paid and the Texans would have zero money on their cap.
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Thanks for the clarification.:)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
exactly. its almost a lose-lose proposition to keep Sage. if he gets time this year like last year he will demand a trade if not given the starting QB job which would diminish value because teams knew we had to deal him. if he isn't used he would probably ask for a trade to a team that needs a starter and we would probably feel more secure at QB stability if Schaub stays healthy and effective.

Sell high (trading Sage for 2nd rounder) and buy low and hope it matures (Gray). I don't think a 3rd Rounder is enough for Sage though. I would actually take a 5th Rounder this year and a Vikings 2nd Rounder next year for Sage.
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Not to mention the fact that if Schaub starts off a little slow, everyone will be wanting Kubiak to pull the trigger and start Rose' right away. QB controversy is not what a young team needs.
 
nunusguy said:
I'm like many others, I'm puzzled how we got Quinn so cheaply ? It just doesn't add up, given the very high consideration teams pay in cash
and Draft picks for the service of QBs, e.g. what we paid for a very unproven but high potential Matt Schaub.
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Keep in mind guys get interviewed by teams before the teams give them a deal. There may have been something that the other teams didn't like that we did and we made an offer.

From what I understand the dude likes to try and become the starter, which is what I want from the QB position - starters looking behind them and reserves looking over their shoulders.
 
Lucky said:
If that's the case, why wait so long after free agency started to bring Gray in? Gray was the first and last QB they looked at, and it took nearly a month after FA began. Why doesn't da General ask that question?

When these teams like the Vikings, Bills, and Pack settle the QB position without trading for Rosenfels, then I'll believe Kubiak is keeping Gray as a 3rd QB.
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Because you are dealing with a QB who thought he could get a starting job somewhere else, and you don't want to deal with that dude so early in FA. Rather you wait it out and when his options are gone, you give him your deal - not his.
 
I like what Kubes said in the Chronicle interview, if in fact he actually meant it and wasn't blowing smoke up our behinds. The idea of having two workable QBs behind your starter is not such a bad idea these days.
 
Texans_Chick said:
A few ideas:

1. In some of his wins, he was mostly handing off the ball. It is hard to evaluate quarterbacks who come from a team which is one of the best at running the ball.

2. He doesn't have that big college background to look at. He is athletic but doesn't have a traditional QB build.

3. There is some noise that he wasn't the best guy in the locker room. That he undermined Garrard. But then again, JAX situation last year at the QB spot was a freaking emotional mess. Lots of locker room unhappiness that didn't explode because the team was winning with Garrard. So I am guessing that is what is meant with hiim wanting a fresh start. And that his desire to compete for the starting job is not something that a lot of teams appreciate in the guy who is going to be a backup QB.

4. Given Kubiak's background, Houston is a destination for quarterbacks looking to improve.
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How about this instead ? He came here on the cheap even with better apparent opportunites out there because he's been guaranteed the back-up
job ? Which of course would have to mean the Texans are going to deal Sage.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know what the next timeline entry will be. But, I see a connection between what the Vikings have done, and the Quinn signing. My feeling is that once Frerotte made his visit, the Texans caved in to the Vikings' offer of the 3rd round pick. Which in turn, had Rick Smith on the horn to Drew Rosenhaus (Quinn's agent). It wouldn't surpise me if the Vikings aren't trying to work an extension with Rosenfels, right now. Pure speculation on my part. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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I don't think you're wrong in thinking the Texans could trade Rosenfels, but there could have been other factors that haven't been reported somewhere in that timeline, such as other team(s) than the Vikings expressing some interest that precipitated them hedging their bet by signing Gray.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
We were willing to TALK to Minnesota before we even had Gray in place. I don't think this is going to take Sage off the table.

BUT... for the price that we paid for Gray and our past experience with injuries, I believe Kubiak when he says that we're going to go with 3 QB's from now on and that Gray was brought in to battle with Boyd for that third spot.

However, if someone offers us the right deal, I think we'll deal Sage. And there's a good possibility that things may work out (with injuries and the draft) that some team could get really desperate for a QB.

We're really in a pretty sweet position. We don't have to deal Sage. We're planning on going ahead with what we've got but if someone wants to throw a sweet deal our way, then great. If not, then great.

:thinking:

Smithiak rools.
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that sums it up rather nicely.
:perfect10:

(I'd rep you but the board won't let me)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This isn't McKinnie's 1st brush with the law [LINK]
..........and for the type of problems he has demonstrated, it's not likely to be his last.



Besides, somehow, I don't think that the Texans would be interested in taking on the risk of a big contract (and it will ultimately be a big contract), with impending suspension, and justifiable fear of ban following a 3rd incident due to not being able to confine "violence" to the field.
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Some players take a long while to get it, & some never get it. My thinking (& hope) is that facing the real possibility of losing his career & being traded might be a wakeup call to McKinnie. Maybe, a change of scenery & being around the kind of class organization the Texan's are, would be enough to help him turn the corner.

You are correct about his potential downside. But, if the Texan's front office does it's due diligence & determines that he's worth the risk, I believe I'd have to do the deal. Being able to trade a backup for a starter is a no-brainer. Or, at least, that's what I think.

I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.
 
Hottoddie said:
I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.
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Not everything is always about the cap. Sometimes its about the 52 man roster. When Myers was signed that spelled the end for McKinney. We were not going to carry 3 centers, and still won't. The only way McKinney comes back is if White hits a rehab bump.

The signing of Brown spells the end of Green. We are not going to carry 3, 4,or 5 RB's on the active roster. That is one reason why we will not see a first day draft selection on a RB. Taylor will be on the active roster at the start of the season, Brown as well, and (let me crawfish here for 3 RB's) a draft pick.

The signing of Gray (getting a Res. Dogs theme here) means there is something is up with Sage. Maybe he is delt on draft day, maybe down the road. Maybe we are talking to the Eagles and trading Sage for Sheppard. Who knows.

Our reserves or excess at a particular spot is put aside for out D/O Lines, secondary, and WR's.

Look at our secondary, Demps, Brown, Harrison, and we are looking at Furgie, We got Reeves, Bennett, I can't think who our NB is. DRob will be back at some point, and a Draft pick. So we have got 8 spots tied up just in the secondary.

Thats why you won't see him go three deep in one position very often unless someone can contribute on special teams. And I don't see gray, Sage, or Schaub chasing down kicks.
 
Hottoddie said:
Some players take a long while to get it, & some never get it. My thinking (& hope) is that facing the real possibility of losing his career & being traded might be a wakeup call to McKinnie. Maybe, a change of scenery & being around the kind of class organization the Texan's are, would be enough to help him turn the corner.

You are correct about his potential downside. But, if the Texan's front office does it's due diligence & determines that he's worth the risk, I believe I'd have to do the deal. Being able to trade a backup for a starter is a no-brainer. Or, at least, that's what I think.

I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.
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Unfortunately, I have not seen many with a physically violent anger management problem turn the corner, even in light of punishment which would scare the H@ll out of us mere mortals.
 
Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
 
badboy said:
Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
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Welcome to the era of the swing Center under coach Gibbs.

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badboy said:
Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
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[Another spitter............FYI picking up and using one of those heavy metal posts that connect guide straps for walling off entrance pathways]

According to a Miami police report obtained by The Herald, McKinnie spit on the face of a bouncer, 32-year-old Eric Otero, shoved a camera phone into his face and then picked up a heavy pole and slammed it over Otero's head. This occurred in front of a large crowd.

The trouble had started when Otero attempted to eject the 6-8, 335-pound McKinnie from the club. As he was being taken out of the establishment, McKinnie yelled obscenities and spit in Otero's face according to police. Otero said if McKinnie left, he would not press charges.

The police then saw McKinnie entering a nearby strip club. But the Herald reported that, at about 6:30 a.m., police were again called to Club Space. Police found McKinnie "in the middle of a large crowd, throwing punches and again yelling obscenities" at Otero, the police report said. The police told him to stop, but he refused and boarded a charter bus. The driver of the bus was ordered not to leave.
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LINK
 
iam thinking we want are second pick back and if the offer comes up we will trade sage ... i am sure we dont want 4 QB on are squad ....
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
[Another spitter............FYI picking up and using one of those heavy metal posts that connect guide straps for walling off entrance pathways]



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Thanks I had read about the boat incident but that seemed a matter of Public Relations than criminal if I understand it. Was not aware of the other two. Maybe we could hire Weary to follow him around to keep him out of trouble & give Weary a taser. Do any of you think this miscreant could be reformed and would McNair considered it a bit more than Pitts incident? McKinney size is good (fit for ZBS?) and contract looks really good.
 
I believe that Boyd would no longer be practice squad elligible this season........and there is no way there will be FOUR QBs on the regular roster.
 
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