I was just thinking why would gray want to come here. He would become the third string QB. Third string. Either he thinks he can beat out Sage and or Schaub or he knows somthing we dont. Makes me wonder if we already have a trade in place to move Sage and were just waiting for Gray to sign the dotted line.
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QB Quinn Gray (update) signs with Texans
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I was just thinking why would gray want to come here. He would become the third string QB. Third string. Either he thinks he can beat out Sage and or Schaub or he knows somthing we dont. Makes me wonder if we already have a trade in place to move Sage and were just waiting for Gray to sign the dotted line.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
This sets up the trade for Sage and gives Quinn an opportunity to prove himself in another system.
I like Sage, but for anything more than a 3rd it will be hard to not trade him. Hey Bryant McKinney could be our new Lt...doubt that happens, but stranger things have. A 3rd and 6th for Sage or a 2nd for Sage would be a nice addition to our draft plans.
I like Sage, but for anything more than a 3rd it will be hard to not trade him. Hey Bryant McKinney could be our new Lt...doubt that happens, but stranger things have. A 3rd and 6th for Sage or a 2nd for Sage would be a nice addition to our draft plans.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
With such a cap friendly contract he really could be coming here to be the 3rd string QB.
Basically a one-year minimum. Interesting. That fits the 'we want to keep three QBs' sales job at least.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Yeah, that low salary number makes me think maybe he actually could be the 3rd-stringer. That pretty much shocks me. I never thought for a second he would want to be a 3rd. I still think there's a pretty good chance that a trade goes down... but it's certainly not 'carved in stone' like I stupidly said on my blog.
I'm not as sold as others are on Boyd becoming an NFL backup. He looks like a CFLer, at best, to me.
There's not a lot of quality QBs at the top of this draft, but there are some interesting projects at the back. Marshall's Bernard Morris flashed a NFL arm at the allstar games and the combine. He might be worth the investment of a roster spot.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
agreed.
Quinn signs here one he feels "in the mix" because even with Schaub & Sage the QB position is far from settled given the nature of injurys & two he likes what the Texans are doing & feels from a buisness move one year out another team (if its not the Texans) will give him the big contract he ultimately seeks based on his ability to flourish in this system.
J-Russ
Veteran
Gray's other suitors:
GB: Aaron Rodgers-Starter(1st year, also ???)
??????-Back-Up
Oak: JaMarcus Russel-Starter(1st year, also ???)
?????-Back-Up
Buf: Trent Edwards-Starter(decent, but could upgrade)
?????-Back-up(JP on the trading block)
Hou: Matt Schaub-Starter(legit, aside from injuries)
Sage Rosenfels-Back-Up(Solid back-up QB, with starting potential)
Two problems,
Quinn was the back-up for the jaguars last year, he could at the very least be the back-up for oak, gb, buf; maybe even a starter with there starter as a question mark.
So why would he DOWNGRADE to come play for us, especially at the prime of his career(he's about 28).
I'm pretty sure he's coming here to be our back-up, so that means:
Bye-bye Sage.
GB: Aaron Rodgers-Starter(1st year, also ???)
??????-Back-Up
Oak: JaMarcus Russel-Starter(1st year, also ???)
?????-Back-Up
Buf: Trent Edwards-Starter(decent, but could upgrade)
?????-Back-up(JP on the trading block)
Hou: Matt Schaub-Starter(legit, aside from injuries)
Sage Rosenfels-Back-Up(Solid back-up QB, with starting potential)
Two problems,
Quinn was the back-up for the jaguars last year, he could at the very least be the back-up for oak, gb, buf; maybe even a starter with there starter as a question mark.
So why would he DOWNGRADE to come play for us, especially at the prime of his career(he's about 28).
I'm pretty sure he's coming here to be our back-up, so that means:
Bye-bye Sage.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Maybe, but I tend to think he probably could have gotten more money from any of those other teams you just listed. SO why not just sign with them now, why this charade of singing here to be the 3rd stringer, unless he really signed here to be the 3rd stringer.
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Polo
Guest
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Ever since Carr busted I've concluded that I have no eye for judging potential QB talent. Established talent, yeah I can see why Manning and Brady are the best in the NFL, judgin between rookies I don't have a clue.
But I do trust Kubiak when it comes to QBs, so we'll see how it plays out in camp and the pre-season.
mattschaub#8
hi im matt jk
let me make this clear1st if we trade sage we will need beter off line man to protect matt and.....
quinn....
2nd i would trade for 2nd rounder...
3rd ... quinn may be good he did not have much playing time i think its an another gamble like we did for matt
so i think we arent tradeing sage because of # 3 he had 1 good game aginst our def that i rember....
tell me what yall think
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Polo
Guest
I think Gray is going to be the second stringer.
The low salary definitely catches my attention, but I just can't see him signing here knowing we like to carry two QB's and knowing that if Sage stays he will be hard pressed to see playing time, let a lone making the team.
The low salary definitely catches my attention, but I just can't see him signing here knowing we like to carry two QB's and knowing that if Sage stays he will be hard pressed to see playing time, let a lone making the team.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Why would Gray sign a low $ (by back-up QB standards) contract to come here under the umbrella of being the 3rd stinger when he could have just as likely signed with GB, Oak, or Buff for real back-up money (say a contract similar to Sage's)?
If he is here to be the back-up and we complete the Sage trade to Minn, not only will the Texans have pick-ed up an extra draft pick but they will also have generated some extra cap room (I think). It just seems like a scenario that would be to good to be true.
The easier scenario to believe is that Gray was signed to be the 3rd stringer.
Wolf
100% Texan
Overall , maybe he likes warm weather climates? and with sage and Matt he feels he would have a better shot (in case one gets injured)
http://jaguars.com/Team/Player.aspx?id=1846
just throwing that out .
geeze I forgot how bad he lit us up
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=271230034
25 of 39 for 302 yards 4 td's
http://jaguars.com/Team/Player.aspx?id=1846
just throwing that out .
geeze I forgot how bad he lit us up
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=271230034
25 of 39 for 302 yards 4 td's
Wolf
100% Texan
mattschaub#8
hi im matt jk
thos this mene no more sage =[
J-Russ
Veteran
What? Quinn is going to sign with us, the contract already there, it's unlikely he back outs. The Viking was willing to trade a 3rd for Sage no less then a month ago, the intrest is still there. How is it impossible to think it will happen? Why is it a easier scenario to have Gray become our 3rd stringer, wouldn't it actually be more logical to trade Sage after we sign Quinn?
Step 1 - Get a solid back-up to replace Sage: check
Step 2 - Trade Sage for a high draft pick: uncheck?
ok......
Btw, I think the staff is high on Boyd, and he'll take over the back-up spot after the 09 season.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
With this type of contract (options):
the Texans have a cheap QB willing to gamble that he makes it up the ladder quickly, with injuries or though competition
the Texans can see what they have and if not enthralled $40,000 will not be a deterrent when deciding cuts
he can still be used for trade when all better options to other teams are gone or another team's QB goes down and that team becomes desparate (evidently, he is the best alternative available at this time and therefore probably also later)............the more desparate the more lucrative for him and the more valuable for the Texans.
the Texans didn't want to insult Sage with a more lucrative contract and Gray was promised a renegotiation if he "beats out" Sage
the Texans are gambling that he can play up to Sage's level or better and have a Sage trade awaiting (and as you know, I feel that this could be catastrophic..........and unlikely)
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
First off I never said it was impossible to think anything will happen. The preverbial wrench in your plan is the fact that Gray signed for the smallest amount of money he could.
Why would he do that if he knew he was going to be the back-up or if he even thought he was going to be the back up? Most back-ups are paid a bit more then the vet minimum that Gray will be getting paid. The money makes the "Gray as 3rd stinger" easier for me to believe then "Gray as back up, clear additional cap space and get an additional 3rd round pick".
I hope it happens as you have described it, I really do; but giventhe contract Gray is signing it just seems unlikely to me. Espically when you factor in the fact that Drew Rosenhaus is Gray's agent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Getting rid of Sage would create $1 mil in dead money, but would net $350k in cap space.
ccdude730
Veteran
i think its interesting that he only signed a 1 year contract. i was honestly expecting about a 3 year deal if we were serious about trading away sage (and thats not saying it wont happen). but assuming we trade away sage and gray is the backup, what options are we going to have for 2009? do we just resign gray or do we look elsewhere?
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
justice should be telling gary and rick what to do.. i mean he was right about so many other things- mari... wait il get something
point being whatever the FO decide to do, i think they've built up such a large amount of goodwill from their previous decisions that we should give them the benefit of the doubt.. what has justice done to think he can criticise them over how they handle situations?
edo783
Hall of Fame
This may make more sense if we trade Sage and then pickup say John David Booty in the 3rd to groom as the QB of the future. Carry Sage, Auinn and Booty in 08 and then let Quinn go in 09 and move forward with Booty as the 2. Not sure that is what they have planed, but it has an element of sense as Booty is supposidly the prototypical WCO QB.
prostock101
Mr. Big
Schaub is the QB of the future. I believe that the FO wants to carry 3 QB's because of the rash of QB injuries. Trading Rosenfels would be a huge mistake.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
yuck! sorry i havent watched booty much but the idea of trading sage and spending a day 1 pick (im old school
) on anothe backup qb defeats the purpose of the exercise- keep sage and avoid the risk if thats the plan.. anything in the late rd picks (5-7) is ok for a qb in my book
J-Russ
Veteran
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/johndavidbooty.html
Sounds like a carbon copy of Schaub.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I'm not sure that the injury situation was bad enough last year to change Kubiak's mnd about only carrying 2 QBs.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Could there be some kind of incentive/playing time/roster make-up clause in the contract that we have yet to hear about?
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Now granted Gray signed for minimum, but why is it everyone assumes he is settling for less money? In everything I read no where does it state the offers he was getting else where.
Even McClain says he is speculating on the fact he did not have a better offer.
I am just not a huge fan of speculations about this type of things. Minnesota is looking for a backup and they did not try real hard to sign Gray, instead they would preferr to trade for Sage. Not sure what people are seeing or I should say not seeing in Gray which makes him a not so hot commodity.
This is very interresting and could change our draft or just the amount of speculation (If that is possible).
J-Russ
Veteran
I just got it. Reason why he sign to minimum was because if he signed for #2 money then the other teams know for sure Sage is on his way out, which would lower his value. So they're waiting after Sage is traded, to actually put out the real number/give him the real contract, which might be around 3 years? maybe.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
that's a nice theory, just might be true
J-Russ
Veteran
He's still taking on a lesser role, and since its a one-year contract, wouldn't he want to be atleast a back-up and have a chance to show-off his talents and ability, hoping to get paid after his one-year end? Besides, he didn't even finish his trip, he was still schedule for Buf.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Now I really expect Sage to be traded. Once that happens, I either expect Gray's contract to be extended, modified, or we'll wait. Gray may have been told that there's a strong likelihood Sage will be traded but do NOT say anything... b/c then again Sage can stay on the team.
I think Gray sees a great opportunity like he said. Our organization is really starting to turn some heads as a place where players want to go, mostly because of where everyone thinks the team is headed and because of the Staff they have in place. Gray could very well be thinking, I'm willing to take less money in Houston because that's where I want to be, Sage may be traded, and they may extend my contract for the higher amount I will want/get in the future at another team.
I like Sage a lot but hope we can get a good deal for him. I feel comfortable having Schaub and Gray as our QB's.
I think Gray sees a great opportunity like he said. Our organization is really starting to turn some heads as a place where players want to go, mostly because of where everyone thinks the team is headed and because of the Staff they have in place. Gray could very well be thinking, I'm willing to take less money in Houston because that's where I want to be, Sage may be traded, and they may extend my contract for the higher amount I will want/get in the future at another team.
I like Sage a lot but hope we can get a good deal for him. I feel comfortable having Schaub and Gray as our QB's.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
yuck! sorry i havent watched booty much but the idea of trading sage and spending a day 1 pick (im old school
Yeah, I don't want to spend another 3rd rounder on a QB. We've gone that route once. Don't want to again.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Personally, it makes no sense to me. I can't believe no one offered Gray much more than we did. I can't believe he'd want to come here and be a 3.
There's got to be more in the works. I'm with Hoth-boy. I think a shoe is hovering out there and it's going to be interesting when it falls. Maybe more than a single shoe.
There's got to be more in the works. I'm with Hoth-boy. I think a shoe is hovering out there and it's going to be interesting when it falls. Maybe more than a single shoe.
finally, some logic.
At the end of 2006 we were stuck having to play Carr in Nov/Dec because Sage got hurt during a special teams play. Anyone recall who Sage's backup was? Anyone?
In 2007 we got pushed into desperation mode when Matt when down and Sage became the #1 and we basically had no real #2 guy who had any experience with our system.
Rick is buying some insurance. If Matt or Sage goes down we'll at least have someone who's been on board since training camp and is familiar with our offense.
Just because we have three on the roster doesn't mean we suit up three QBs every week.
And if Quinn Gray shows promise, then we extend his contract and trade Sage NEXT year.
Wolf
100% Texan
while I agree with most, I think that IF we were to trade Sage
This offseason will be the best time, his value is at the highest it ever has been. I am not saying make the trade just to make the trade, but if a deal comes through that the Texans want, I could see them trading Sage.
two scenarios
1) Matt stays healthy.. that means Sage does't play, trade value goes down
2)Matt gets hurt again, Sage plays equally to what he did last season, we definitely don't trade Sage and we ponder on the Schaub deal (injury prone)
I hope this doesn't mean we trade Sage just for the sake of an extra pick(unless its a 1 or 2). If teams want him that bad, make them pay. We have the upper hand in negotiations unless Sage is quietly demanding a trade so he can compete for a starting job.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
It's kind of a double edged sword IMO
We have Sage, who's value has never been higher, and can be gotten for a fairly good draft pick (Vikings 3rd rounder, maybe another team will offer something more). We have plenty of needs that need to be filled on our team and getting an extra draft pick definitely helps out in filling those needs.
On the other hand, Sage is a quality backup. If Schaub had stayed healthy all of last year then it would be easier to trade Sage. But Schaub wasn't healthy and we saw what a quality backup can do for us. That's not to say Quinn Gray could be a good #2 guy, but he's unproven on our team as opposed to Sage.
It's a touch decision and I don't think there's a real right answer. I would hate to trade him, but on the other hand I would like to get a good draft pick for him as well.
We have Sage, who's value has never been higher, and can be gotten for a fairly good draft pick (Vikings 3rd rounder, maybe another team will offer something more). We have plenty of needs that need to be filled on our team and getting an extra draft pick definitely helps out in filling those needs.
On the other hand, Sage is a quality backup. If Schaub had stayed healthy all of last year then it would be easier to trade Sage. But Schaub wasn't healthy and we saw what a quality backup can do for us. That's not to say Quinn Gray could be a good #2 guy, but he's unproven on our team as opposed to Sage.
It's a touch decision and I don't think there's a real right answer. I would hate to trade him, but on the other hand I would like to get a good draft pick for him as well.
Wolf
100% Texan
tough decision.. and only time will tell
and if we trade him and draft well.. and Schaub stays healthy ,all will be forgotten, he'd be like charlie banks where (at least for me) I barely remember him on the early team
Who could forget good ol' Charlie Banks?
edo783
Hall of Fame
I suspect that there is some sort of agreement allready in place to move Sage. It was probably contengent on us finding a suitable backup. That is probably why Gray is willing to come for minimum and only a one year deal. He gets his shot to be a #2 and we move Sage for a pick(s) of some sort (could it be for a player, like a rush DE or corner instead of pick(s)?). Heck, they might even be playing this straight up and taking a 3rd QB into the system. Going to be an interesting couple of weeks.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I never knew Charlie Banks to forget him..............the only Banks I knew was Tony............You guys are too young for Azlheimer's..........I think...............