Pre-Combine Mock to #18

[beerlover]

1. Miami - Chris Long DE, Virginia 6-4 275 You know Miami will try like hell to trade out of the top pick for starters their expensive & secondly like to address mutliple needs, yet is there a clear cut consensus #1 pick? I don't think so, you could make the arguement for three or four. therefore I'm going plain & simple with the highest rated player, don't know if they stay in a 3-4 defense or not but Long could play OLB or traditional 4-3 RDE.

2. St. Louis - Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 6-2 316 Need to get stronger up front & Dorsey will improve the interior D.

3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 6-2 210 I really don't think he slides past unique opportunites & converting the Falcon offense to a spread attack with Vick returning @ QB & McFadden has his out would be interesting to watch. Not to mention RB is a high priority with Warrick Dunn facing retirement.

4, Oakland - Sedric Ellis, DT 6-1 308 USC Stays home & anchors the Raiders DL. excellent pocket push & motor will also help stop the run.

5. Kansas City - Jake Long, OT 6-7 315 Michigan Should address tackle with 1st pick, their choice but Jake seems ready to start as a rookie without a huge risk.

6. NY JETS - Ryan Clady, OT 6-6 316 Boise State I can see Jet fan now screaming their approval or not, anyway this is probably my biggest departure from the norm here because I just feel they have the chance to assemble/complete a really great offensive line unit. doesn't matter who is the QB if he can't execute, am I right? along with LT D'Brickashaw, C Nick Manglod, Clady would be an excellent fit on the right side.

7. New England - Vernon Gholston OLB 6-4 258 Ohio State Pats depend on a pass rush from the outside liebacker position, in the Superbowl it turned out to be a weakness. they want to stay agressive & will resign Aasante Sammuel so the play here is to upgrade their aging LB's.

8. Baltimore - Matt Ryan QB 6-5 224 BC slides here because of need more than anything, a very good prospect, size, technique & leadership but will need to grow into the position with the Ravens, if someone takes him sooner that is weighted too much on need, I think he struggles with athletic ability.

9. Cincinnati - Phillip Merling DE 6-5 272 Clemson ascending player who fills a position of need, has the size to play in a three point stance or standing up. this is a player who should really stand out @ his position in the combine.

10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins CB 6-0 200 South Florida Good size, skill set & fills #1 need. will need to show up & produce @ the combine otherwise I would expect McKelvin to overtake him as the top cover corner.

11. Buffalo - Kentwan Balmer DT 6-5 308 North Carolina once again another ascending prospect who should really wow scouts/media @ the combine, very impressed watching him workout @ the Senior Bowl, has ideal hard to find natural NFL DT size who can easily add more weight to his frame. with the end slots covered this would really help solidify the Bills DL.

12. Denver - Chris Williams OT 6-6 320 Vanderbuilt ZBS quick, athletic tackle does not need long arms for the system fills void left by Matt Lepsis.

13. Carolina - Brian Brohm QB 6-3 227 Louisville Delhommes return is questionable, not going to mention the back-up, needless to say this is another need pick & Brohm has an NFL arm that has been groomed for the next level.

14. Chicago - Rashard Mendenhall RB 5-11 220 Illionois Benson is out, they already traded Thomas Jones so they need to address RB & I feel they get the best pure package here at a position of need.

15. Detroit - Jeff Otah OT 6-6 340 Pittsburgh Need is to solidfy the OL Otah can start right away @ RT or either guard position which should really help on a number of fronts.

16. Arizona - Kenny Phillips FS 6-2 208 Miami Should help strengthen secondary, starter from day one will help to be mentored to some degree by Hurricane alum Rolle.

17. Minnesota - Derrick Harvey DE 6-5 252 Florida Really sorry about Udeze (leukemia) James has not been outstanding for them either. when it comes to sack totals @ the end of the day Harvey has the style & speed to be at the top of his class.

18. Houston - Leodis McKelvin CB 5-11 190 Troy Excellent back peddle, abilty to read plays with make-up speed if beaten. better tackler than advertised, aggressive break on ball, very fluid no wasted motion, very agressive in run support.

 

[beerlover]

19. Philadelphia - Calais Campbell DE 6-7 280 Miami Address biggest need, thought it would be Merling but Cincy surprised everyone taking him early. Calasis could be a steal here & could play either end position.

20. Tampa Bay - DeSean Jackson 6-0 180 WR Cal Brings outside threat to stretch the field need to start grooming replacement for Galloway to go along with Clayton.

21. Washington - Keith Rivers 6-2 240 OLB USC BPA. projected him much earlier possibly to New England but after that teams seem focused on addressing needs so he falls to the Skins providing outside pass rush & adding athletic ability. would be a mistake to draft someone to replace Sean Taylor with 1st pick (big shoes to fill) dynamic Rivers gives them another playmaker.

22. Dallas - Malcolm Kelly 6-4 220 WR Oklahoma Big, athletic, playmaker to develop mext to Owens. too early to go RB with resigning Barber, alot of scouts think that Kelly is the top WR in this draft class.

23. Pittsburgh - Anthony Collins 6-6 310 OT Kansas I'm probably the first to put him in the 1st rd. but feel he is the next best tackle available. long term pick, typical Steelers tough player with attitude.

24. Tennessee - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 6-2 180 CB/FS Tennessee State With Jones returning DRC gives them a solid secondary both young & talented. I'm not sold on any WR at this point,there are several good free agents available like Bernard Berrian & the titans have the cap space to get things done there instead.

25. Seattle - Jonathan Stewart 5-10 235 RB Oregon Shaun Alexander is not getting any younger & aquiring a franchise RB late in the 1st rd. makes alot of sense while schooling JS to take over full time rushing duties.

26. Jacksonville - Dan Connor 6-3 233 MLB Penn State This is a Rio pick, like adding a coach (himself) on the field who will take on his personality. this represents great value here as well & should make the defense more difficult to move the football on than ever.

27. San Diego - Pat Sims 6-4 312 NT Auburn. would look great playing NT in a 3-4. not sure how healthy or how many more years Williams has but this brings in another long term foundation player to keep strong up front.

28. Dallas - Felix Jones 6-0 200 RB Arkansas Jones replacement, brings the speed to compliment Barbers power. Dallas adds two offensive playmakers to build for the future while improving Romos weapons to win a Super Bowl now.

29. San Franscisco - Sam Baker 6-5 308 OT USC thats right another tackle, hey they gave up a franchise high sack total (of course we know alot of that could be on the QB) but they are losing Larry Allen (retirement) Justin Smilely (free agent) & Jonas Jennings (potential cap casualty). Baker fills a definite need.

30. Green Bay - Aqib Talib 6-2 202 CB Kansas picking Talib over Cason because of his experience in cold weather, both very good cb prospects here. Talib also has the size & physical advantage to play in the cover 2.

31. New England - Forfeited spy-gate

32. NY GIANTS - Gosder Cherilus 6-7 315 OT BC the pressure is going to be on Manning as Super Bowl champions so he is going to need insurance more than anything & to do that both pass protection while mainting the ground attack will insure this happens.

 

[Lucky]

24. Tennessee - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 6-2 180 CB/FS Tennessee State With Jones returning DRC gives them a solid secondary both young & talented. I'm not sold on any WR at this point,there are several good free agents available like Bernard Berrian & the titans have the cap space to get things done there instead.

Do you really think PacMan will return to the Titans? Even if Goodell reinstates Jones (a big if), Tennessee would likely jettison him to a team that doesn't place a high priority on character. Fisher saw his defense succeed without Jones last season, he doesn't need the headaches.

Agree completely about the Titans looking at FA wideouts. Another to watch for is Javon Walker, if he's released by the Broncos.

 

[PapaL]

Do you really think PacMan will return to the Titans? Even if Goodell reinstates Jones (a big if), Tennessee would likely jettison him to a team that doesn't place a high priority on character.

Cincinnati or is it SINcinnati?

 

[TexansSeminole]

Your top 5 is exactly how I think things will go. I agree with all of the top 10 except for the Jets obviously and Cincinnati. I just don't think the Jets will go for another OL and I don't think the Bengals reach for Merling over a linebacker like Connor or Rivers.

 

[PHAROAH]

1. Miami - Chris Long DE, Virginia 6-4 275 You know Miami will try like hell to trade out of the top pick for starters their expensive & secondly like to address mutliple needs, yet is there a clear cut consensus #1 pick? I don't think so, you could make the arguement for three or four. therefore I'm going plain & simple with the highest rated player, don't know if they stay in a 3-4 defense or not but Long could play OLB or traditional 4-3 RDE.

2. St. Louis - Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 6-2 316 Need to get stronger up front & Dorsey will improve the interior D.

3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 6-2 210 I really don't think he slides past unique opportunites & converting the Falcon offense to a spread attack with Vick returning @ QB & McFadden has his out would be interesting to watch. Not to mention RB is a high priority with Warrick Dunn facing retirement.

4, Oakland - Sedric Ellis, DT 6-1 308 USC Stays home & anchors the Raiders DL. excellent pocket push & motor will also help stop the run.

5. Kansas City - Jake Long, OT 6-7 315 Michigan Should address tackle with 1st pick, their choice but Jake seems ready to start as a rookie without a huge risk.

6. NY JETS - Ryan Clady, OT 6-6 316 Boise State I can see Jet fan now screaming their approval or not, anyway this is probably my biggest departure from the norm here because I just feel they have the chance to assemble/complete a really great offensive line unit. doesn't matter who is the QB if he can't execute, am I right? along with LT D'Brickashaw, C Nick Manglod, Clady would be an excellent fit on the right side.

7. New England - Vernon Gholston OLB 6-4 258 Ohio State Pats depend on a pass rush from the outside liebacker position, in the Superbowl it turned out to be a weakness. they want to stay agressive & will resign Aasante Sammuel so the play here is to upgrade their aging LB's.

8. Baltimore - Matt Ryan QB 6-5 224 BC slides here because of need more than anything, a very good prospect, size, technique & leadership but will need to grow into the position with the Ravens, if someone takes him sooner that is weighted too much on need, I think he struggles with athletic ability.

9. Cincinnati - Phillip Merling DE 6-5 272 Clemson ascending player who fills a position of need, has the size to play in a three point stance or standing up. this is a player who should really stand out @ his position in the combine.

10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins CB 6-0 200 South Florida Good size, skill set & fills #1 need. will need to show up & produce @ the combine otherwise I would expect McKelvin to overtake him as the top cover corner.

11. Buffalo - Kentwan Balmer DT 6-5 308 North Carolina once again another ascending prospect who should really wow scouts/media @ the combine, very impressed watching him workout @ the Senior Bowl, has ideal hard to find natural NFL DT size who can easily add more weight to his frame. with the end slots covered this would really help solidify the Bills DL.

12. Denver - Chris Williams OT 6-6 320 Vanderbuilt ZBS quick, athletic tackle does not need long arms for the system fills void left by Matt Lepsis.

13. Carolina - Brian Brohm QB 6-3 227 Louisville Delhommes return is questionable, not going to mention the back-up, needless to say this is another need pick & Brohm has an NFL arm that has been groomed for the next level.

14. Chicago - Rashard Mendenhall RB 5-11 220 Illionois Benson is out, they already traded Thomas Jones so they need to address RB & I feel they get the best pure package here at a position of need.

15. Detroit - Jeff Otah OT 6-6 340 Pittsburgh Need is to solidfy the OL Otah can start right away @ RT or either guard position which should really help on a number of fronts.

16. Arizona - Kenny Phillips FS 6-2 208 Miami Should help strengthen secondary, starter from day one will help to be mentored to some degree by Hurricane alum Rolle.

17. Minnesota - Derrick Harvey DE 6-5 252 Florida Really sorry about Udeze (leukemia) James has not been outstanding for them either. when it comes to sack totals @ the end of the day Harvey has the style & speed to be at the top of his class.

18. Houston - Leodis McKelvin CB 5-11 190 Troy Excellent back peddle, abilty to read plays with make-up speed if beaten. better tackler than advertised, aggressive break on ball, very fluid no wasted motion, very agressive in run support.

I would be in heaven if we get Leodis McKelvin.

 

[beerlover]

Do you really think PacMan will return to the Titans?

obviously I do. too much talent just to throw away at least right now with his stock @ all time lows. he should come to the realization the error in his ways. I realize Texans fans would'nt want this to happen cause it creates a more formidable enemy, but from Fishers veiwpoint this is something that needs/will get done. Corners are just to valueable.

regardless, if they do lose Pac-Man or Goodell does not reinstate him it would make filling this need even a higher prioity don't you think? I may be higher than most of the national mock draft sites in my personel evaluation of several players listed in this Mock Draft, Cromartie included, but he looks like something special to me, his wingspan alone is like dropping a huge fish net over coverages most QB's will have to learn to adjust too.

 

[beerlover]

Your top 5 is exactly how I think things will go. I agree with all of the top 10 except for the Jets obviously and Cincinnati. I just don't think the Jets will go for another OL and I don't think the Bengals reach for Merling over a linebacker like Connor or Rivers.

I agree with you. its a reach, one made because I want to be different another because I feel these players are ascending & make great fits for aforementioned teams. Cincinnati needs to improve its defense & Merling has made significant strides every season starting in 05 as Gaines Adams back-up then in 06 LDE oppossite Gaines which helped make him (Gains) such a high draft pick (because Phillip was holding down run support). this year his numbers increased dramatically, think he had something like 20 Qb hurries & 7 sacks along with 70-80 tackles. he has the size, speed & athletic ability to hold down DE for the Bengals as a rookie, has been compared to Justin Tuck so if the Bengals want to strengthen the defense its going to start up front.

I've been consistent with this as the Jets selection for months now, I see Clady as the missing link to becoming a dominant OL. this will help the QB & the RB's who have suffered while the rebuilding process has been going on.

thanks for your very astute feedback

 

[Lucky]

I realize Texans fans would'nt want this to happen cause it creates a more formidable enemy, but from Fishers veiwpoint this is something that needs/will get done. Corners are just to valueable.

Fisher's viewpoint? I haven't seen anything like that. The only thing I've heard from Fisher regarding Jones is "We are still currently having internal discussions regarding his status." That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for PacMan's return, considering that Fisher's opinion is the one that counts.

 

[Mr teX]

1. Miami - Chris Long DE, Virginia 6-4 275 You know Miami will try like hell to trade out of the top pick for starters their expensive & secondly like to address mutliple needs, yet is there a clear cut consensus #1 pick? I don't think so, you could make the arguement for three or four. therefore I'm going plain & simple with the highest rated player, don't know if they stay in a 3-4 defense or not but Long could play OLB or traditional 4-3 RDE.

2. St. Louis - Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 6-2 316 Need to get stronger up front & Dorsey will improve the interior D.

3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 6-2 210 I really don't think he slides past unique opportunites & converting the Falcon offense to a spread attack with Vick returning @ QB & McFadden has his out would be interesting to watch. Not to mention RB is a high priority with Warrick Dunn facing retirement.

4, Oakland - Sedric Ellis, DT 6-1 308 USC Stays home & anchors the Raiders DL. excellent pocket push & motor will also help stop the run.

5. Kansas City - Jake Long, OT 6-7 315 Michigan Should address tackle with 1st pick, their choice but Jake seems ready to start as a rookie without a huge risk.

6. NY JETS - Ryan Clady, OT 6-6 316 Boise State I can see Jet fan now screaming their approval or not, anyway this is probably my biggest departure from the norm here because I just feel they have the chance to assemble/complete a really great offensive line unit. doesn't matter who is the QB if he can't execute, am I right? along with LT D'Brickashaw, C Nick Manglod, Clady would be an excellent fit on the right side.

7. New England - Vernon Gholston OLB 6-4 258 Ohio State Pats depend on a pass rush from the outside liebacker position, in the Superbowl it turned out to be a weakness. they want to stay agressive & will resign Aasante Sammuel so the play here is to upgrade their aging LB's.

Absolutely unfair, that kid is gonna be vicious in the league

8. Baltimore - Matt Ryan QB 6-5 224 BC slides here because of need more than anything, a very good prospect, size, technique & leadership but will need to grow into the position with the Ravens, if someone takes him sooner that is weighted too much on need, I think he struggles with athletic ability.

9. Cincinnati - Phillip Merling DE 6-5 272 Clemson ascending player who fills a position of need, has the size to play in a three point stance or standing up. this is a player who should really stand out @ his position in the combine.

10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins CB 6-0 200 South Florida Good size, skill set & fills #1 need. will need to show up & produce @ the combine otherwise I would expect McKelvin to overtake him as the top cover corner.

11. Buffalo - Kentwan Balmer DT 6-5 308 North Carolina once again another ascending prospect who should really wow scouts/media @ the combine, very impressed watching him workout @ the Senior Bowl, has ideal hard to find natural NFL DT size who can easily add more weight to his frame. with the end slots covered this would really help solidify the Bills DL.

12. Denver - Chris Williams OT 6-6 320 Vanderbuilt ZBS quick, athletic tackle does not need long arms for the system fills void left by Matt Lepsis.

13. Carolina - Brian Brohm QB 6-3 227 Louisville Delhommes return is questionable, not going to mention the back-up, needless to say this is another need pick & Brohm has an NFL arm that has been groomed for the next level.

14. Chicago - Rashard Mendenhall RB 5-11 220 Illionois Benson is out, they already traded Thomas Jones so they need to address RB & I feel they get the best pure package here at a position of need.

More important than a QB at this point? I can't see Lovie & the Chi. fans putting up with Good Rex bad Rex another year.

15. Detroit - Jeff Otah OT 6-6 340 Pittsburgh Need is to solidfy the OL Otah can start right away @ RT or either guard position which should really help on a number of fronts.

16. Arizona - Kenny Phillips FS 6-2 208 Miami Should help strengthen secondary, starter from day one will help to be mentored to some degree by Hurricane alum Rolle.

17. Minnesota - Derrick Harvey DE 6-5 252 Florida Really sorry about Udeze (leukemia) James has not been outstanding for them either. when it comes to sack totals @ the end of the day Harvey has the style & speed to be at the top of his class.

18. Houston - Leodis McKelvin CB 5-11 190 Troy Excellent back peddle, abilty to read plays with make-up speed if beaten. better tackler than advertised, aggressive break on ball, very fluid no wasted motion, very agressive in run support.

Where's Joe Flaco? Espn seems to think he's going to make some team pull a "denver" this year. & I think brohm slides down 1 spot to Chi. Carolina will go defense i think while waiting to see what's going on with Delhomme, but will snatch someone up later in the draft & thru FA at the QB spot just in case.

 

[Goldensilence]

More than 1 Qb will go in the top 18 b/c too many teams above us have questions at the Qb spot. Someone will pull a "denver" & slide up to get someone who shot up the draft board. ESPN's already hyping up Joe Flaco, in other words....................... WHO?

Don't think Rex will be in Chicago this year anyway. Don't be surprised if they take a stab at Todd Collins in the offseason and look for someone to groom.

What could make this year VERY interesting is what Cleveland does between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. One year wonder or QB star in making?

 

[bah007]

What could make this year VERY interesting is what Cleveland does between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. One year wonder or QB star in making?

Cleveland will almost certainly give Anderson at least 6-8 games next year to prove that he isnt a fluke.

 

[tulexan]

3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 6-2 210 I really don't think he slides past unique opportunites & converting the Falcon offense to a spread attack with Vick returning @ QB & McFadden has his out would be interesting to watch. Not to mention RB is a high priority with Warrick Dunn facing retirement.

Is this a joke? No way Vick comes back to the Falcons.

 

[badboy]

I'm starting to think the Texans may look at how well Bennett turned out in round four and decide to go with someone like Trae Williams in 4th. If we don't get a starter in FA, we could be going with a rookie and a sophomore at corner.

 

[beerlover]

Where's Joe Flaco? Espn seems to think he's going to make some team pull a "denver" this year. & I think brohm slides down 1 spot to Chi. Carolina will go defense i think while waiting to see what's going on with Delhomme, but will snatch someone up later in the draft & thru FA at the QB spot just in case.

Is this a joke? No way Vick comes back to the Falcons.

I project the Atlanta Falcons to use one of their two 2nd rd picks on a QB this could be Flaco (who reminds me of Schaub with a stronger arm) or Chad Henne, Michigan as insurance in case Vic never laces up again in Atlanta.

 

[Goldensilence]

Is this a joke? No way Vick comes back to the Falcons.

Agree. It's going to be about two years i think before Vick is even considered for re-instatement. Best Vick can hope for is Rae Carruth Transferring prisons to catch for him and a coach willing to help him be a better pocket passer for the duration of his jail term.

Falcons would be stupid to pass on McFadden. They need a new face and someone that can bring excitement to the organization again. Get Shockley healthy again and maybe this offense doesn't look so bad going into next season.

 

[SuperTexan]

Damn, Beerlover. You love you some you.

 

[beerlover]

Don't think Rex will be in Chicago this year anyway. Don't be surprised if they take a stab at Todd Collins in the offseason and look for someone to groom.

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4375

 

[beerlover]

Cowboy fans don't worry about Jerry selling out the farm to move up for McFadden either- http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/478246.html

 

[Goldensilence]

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4375

Interesting. I guess the whole organization is reluctant to let Rex go. Not only that but want him in the mix for starting the spot. DO think they should give Kyle Orton Another shot.

 

[beerlover]

Interesting. I guess the whole organization is reluctant to let Rex go. Not only that but want him in the mix for starting the spot. DO think they should give Kyle Orton Another shot.

first off da bears love Mendenhall, as does all of Illinois, tough break for us, but in a strange twist would the Texans be interested in former UT RB Benson? don't know the answear to that one....


Chicago would like to copy the Giants formula for winning the Super Bowl. Manning played great, was a top pick but yet nothing more was expected of him other than to run the offense mistake free. Chicago has alot of the same ingredients but whatever the reason the QB play has been inconsistant, both Rex & Orton have looked like good playoff type QB's at times while other times resembling carr wrecks (sorry). Coaching does make a difference but the players have to buy in, sounds like they're willing to adjust their approach.

 

[Goldensilence]

first off da bears love Mendenhall, as does all of Illinois, tough break for us, but in a strange twist would the Texans be interested in former UT RB Benson? don't know the answear to that one....


Chicago would like to copy the Giants formula for winning the Super Bowl. Manning played great, was a top pick but yet nothing more was expected of him other than to run the offense mistake free. Chicago has alot of the same ingredients but whatever the reason the QB play has been inconsistant, both Rex & Orton have looked like good playoff type QB's at times while other times resembling carr wrecks (sorry). Coaching does make a difference but the players have to buy in, sounds like they're willing to adjust their approach.

Me....Depends the asking price for Benson. Leaning towards most of the crowd would be no though. Has really under achieved in Chicago.

I think Orton is a guy who could and has managed games for them while the defense and running game carries them. I just don't think Grossman can do it. He was gunslinger in College and can't help himself in the pros. At this point IMO too late for him. But that's just me.

As for Eli. Agree on what was expected for him for the most part and has been up and down til this year. The big turn around for him was the shoulder injury early in the season. the fact he played through and stepped up gave his teammates confidence. That IMO was the crux of the season.

 

[bah007]

bah007's Pre-Combine Mock:

1. Miami – Glenn Dorsey – DT, LSU
2. St. Louis – Chris Long – DE, Virginia
3. Oakland – Darren McFadden – HB, Arkansas
4. Atlanta – Matt Ryan – QB, Boston College
5. Kansas City – Jake Long – OT, Michigan
6. New York Jets – Sedrick Ellis – DT, USC
7. New England (SF) – Vernon Gholston – DE, Ohio St
8. Baltimore – Leodis McKelvin – CB, Troy
9. Cincinnati – Keith Rivers – OLB, USC
10. New Orleans – Kenny Phillips – FS, Miami
11. Buffalo – Mike Jenkins – CB, USF
12. Denver – Ryan Clady – OT, Boise St
13. Carolina – Brian Brohm – QB, Louisville
14. Chicago – Rashard Mendenhall – HB, Illinois
15. Detroit – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – CB, Tennessee St
16. Arizona – Phillip Merling – DE, Clemson
17. Minnesota – Calais Campbell – DE, Miami
18. Houston – Sam Baker – OT, USC
19. Philadelphia – Jeff Otah – OT, Pitt
20. Tampa Bay – Kentwan Butler – DT, North Carolina
21. Washington – Malcolm Kelly – WR, Oklahoma
22. Dallas (CLE) – Antoine Cason – CB, Arizona
23. Pittsburgh – Chris Williams – OT, Vanderbilt
24. Tennessee – Pat Sims – DT, Auburn
25. Seattle – Jonathan Stewart – HB, Oregon
26. Jacksonville – DeSean Jackson – WR, Cal
27. San Diego – Quentin Groves – DE, Auburn
28. Dallas – Chilo Rachal – OG, USC
29. San Francisco (IND) – Dan Connor – OLB, Penn State
30. Green Bay – Reggie Smith – FS, Oklahoma
31. New York Giants – Erin Henderson – OLB, Maryland

 

[beerlover]

bah007's Pre-Combine Mock:


18. Houston – Sam Baker – OT, USC

I would be utterly devastated if the Texans select Sam Baker w/18th pick

 

[Second Honeymoon]

I would be utterly devastated if the Texans select Sam Baker w/18th pick

Baker won't even be around at #18 so its a mute point. I am just hoping Phillips, Cason, or Cromartie are available when its our time to pick. Otherwise we do bpa and if Baker happens to still be around and is deemed the bpa at a position they feel needs help, I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it.

 

[beerlover]

Baker won't even be around at #18 so its a mute point. I am just hoping Phillips, Cason, or Cromartie are available when its our time to pick. Otherwise we do bpa and if Baker happens to still be around and is deemed the bpa at a position they feel needs help, I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it.

so your telling me you expect Baker to be selected sometime before the Texans pick? but.....if he where available when the Texans pick they should select him? am I understanding this correctly?

 

[Second Honeymoon]

so your telling me you expect Baker to be selected sometime before the Texans pick? but.....if he where available when the Texans pick they should select him? am I understanding this correctly?

yes. he will probably already be gone but if he happens to not be gone and if the Texans brass felt he was the bpa at a position they felt needed help, then they would take him and it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Personally, I would rather them not draft an OT with their only 1st day pick, but if they did, I would have to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially with Gibbs knowledge. If Gibbs didn't think he could make the guy a player, they won't draft him at #18 and they will justifiably use the pick to select the best DB or RB or trade down.

 

[bah007]

I would be utterly devastated if the Texans select Sam Baker w/18th pick

I'm not too keen on it either.

I was just plugging guys in on this one & that is where he fell.

 

[beerlover]

I'm not too keen on it either.

I was just plugging guys in on this one & that is where he fell.

beleive it or not this pre-combine mock draft took me hours to complete, not to mention months of watching College Football, regular season NFL & playoffs. I wanted to capture everything up to this point in time before the next major draft date- the combine. Now we'll watch & see players confirm measureables & compete side by side on an even playing field.

its impossible to guess excatly what organizations are going to do but still we try to do mock draft's. its all just opinion reflecting your passion for football, an outlet to express your thoughts & feelings in a world gone crazy

 

[The1ApplePie]

From a USC fan:

NO SAM BAKER!

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Baker at this point is not BPA at 18. Baker is, as of right now, a boarderline 1st rounder. He could also slide inside to guard.

 

[beerlover]

Sr) CB Leodis McKelvin: #2 rated CB / #18 in the Draft Scout Top 750

example of one reputable resource I use when formulating my mock drafts, among many I don't just insert names as they fall, its predicated on team need/make-up, character, measureables, reviewing stats/game tape etc...then who is bpa. about the only thing we miss out on (if you really pay attention) is the interview process & private personel workouts, this is where the real guess work comes into play. by the way-

(rSr) OT Sam Baker: #6 rated OT / #41 in the Draft Scout Top 750

 

[threetoedpete]

Your top 5 is exactly how I think things will go. I agree with all of the top 10 except for the Jets obviously and Cincinnati. I just don't think the Jets will go for another OL and I don't think the Bengals reach for Merling over a linebacker like Connor or Rivers.

Best Mock I've seen 1-18 so far beerlover. I posted seven round mock on one of these threads via t-haug.

 

[threetoedpete]

Baker at this point is not BPA at 18. Baker is, as of right now, a boarderline 1st rounder. He could also slide inside to guard.

Ah the voice of reason.

Ya know that is one of the reasons a move down makes a lot of sense...you've got a shot at both Baker and Cromartie. If DCR is gone Smith will be on the board. If Smith not there...Godfrey..so on & so on. Point being...You've got a prety fair shot at Baker or Collins. No one is foreseeing the o-line guys going up the board. But there is only a limited supply of them...from my tree, one true Elite guard...and a bunch of guys who have a shot to start on the edges of the 0-line come September. What was the number fifteen teams need them. So the Question becomes if you're paying a boat load of money for the RB and the QB and you only have a certain amount of oportunities to get one...how long do you wait untill you are forced to take the sixty millon dollar gaurds to patch the hole(s) via FA ?

I believe that with the draft class loaded at Rb and Wr...teams will bang the o-line holes first rounds one and two and take the chance on the skill guys latter. Kinda like playing chicken. If you wait you end up with your Qb and RB getting killed. Or you spend the major cap dollars on the moss back on the o-line. Which means if he gets hurt you're back to square one with a cap leech who can't play and limited for future upside.

The average is 3.something. They go off the board as in Beerlover's example...be a feeding frenzee. The worst things you want to be under this scenario is the last to eat or the first one to reach.

 

[badboy]

Ah the voice of reason.

Ya know that is one of the reasons a move down makes a lot of sense...you've got a shot at both Baker and Cromartie. If DCR is gone Smith will be on the board. If Smith not there...Godfrey..so on & so on. Point being...You've got a prety fair shot at Baker or Collins. No one is foreseeing the o-line guys going up the board. But there is only a limited supply of them...from my tree, one true Elite guard...and a bunch of guys who have a shot to start on the edges of the 0-line come September. What was the number fifteen teams need them. So the Question becomes if you're paying a boat load of money for the RB and the QB and you only have a certain amount of oportunities to get one...how long do you wait untill you are forced to take the sixty millon dollar gaurds to patch the hole(s) via FA ?

I believe that with the draft class loaded at Rb and Wr...teams will bang the o-line holes first rounds one and two and take the chance on the skill guys latter. Kinda like playing chicken. If you wait you end up with your Qb and RB getting killed. Or you spend the major cap dollars on the moss back on the o-line. Which means if he gets hurt you're back to square one with a cap leech who can't play and limited for future upside.

The average is 3.something. They go off the board as in Beerlover's example...be a feeding frenzee. The worst things you want to be under this scenario is the last to eat or the first one to reach.

And that is how GMs earn their keep.

 

[threetoedpete]

Threetoedpete's Precombine Mock:
trade #1: Dallas sends 21 & 28 and Lb Bobby Carpenter Plus #2 in '09
Trade #2 New England sends #7, & # 68, plus 2nd '09 third to Kansas City

1. Miami – Glenn Dorsey – DT, LSU
2. Dallas Via St. Louis – Darren McFadden – HB, Arkansas
3. Oakland – Chris Long – DE, Virginia
4. Atlanta – Sedrick Ellis – DT, USC
5. New England via(SF)Kansas City Vernon Gholston – DE, Ohio St–
6. New York Jets – Leodis McKelvin – CB, Troy
7. Kansas Ctiy Via New England – Jake Long – OT, Michigan
8. Baltimore –Matt Ryan – QB, Boston College
9. Cincinnati – Keith Rivers – OLB, USC
10. New Orleans – Kenny Phillips – FS, Miami
11. Buffalo – Malcolm Kelly – WR, Oklahoma
12. Denver – Ryan Clady – OT, Boise St
13. Carolina – Jeff Otah – OT, Pitt
14. Chicago – Rashard Mendenhall – HB, Illinois
15. Detroit – Mike Jenkins – CB, USF
16. Arizona – Jonathan Stewart – HB, Oregon
17. Minnesota – Phillip Merling – DE, Clemson
18. Houston – Sam Baker – OT, USC
19. Philadelphia – *Aqib Talib DB, 6-1, 205 Kansas
20. Tampa Bay – Kentwan Butler – DT, North Carolina
21. Washington – *Calais Campbell DE 6-7, 282 Miami
22. St. Louis via Dallas through (CLE) – Antoine Cason – CB, Arizona
23. Pittsburgh – *James Hardy WR 6-6, 220 Indiana
24. Tennessee – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – CB, Tennessee St
25. Seattle – Chris Williams – OT, Vanderbilt
26. Jacksonville – DeSean Jackson – WR, Cal
27. San Diego – Derrick Harvey DE 6-4, 245 Florida
28. St. Louis via Dallas – *Branden Albert OG 6-6, 335 Virginia
29. San Francisco (IND) – Gosder Cherilus OT 6-6, 320 Boston College
30. Green Bay – Reggie Smith – FS, Oklahoma
31. New York Giants –Dan Connor – OLB, Penn State

 

[painekiller]

Threetoedpete's Precombine Mock:
trade #1: Dallas sends 21 & 28 and Lb Bobby Carpenter Plus #2 in '09
Trade #2 New England sends #7, & # 68, plus 2nd '09 third to Kansas City

1. Miami – Glenn Dorsey – DT, LSU
2. Dallas Via St. Louis – Darren McFadden – HB, Arkansas
3. Oakland – Chris Long – DE, Virginia
4. Atlanta – Sedrick Ellis – DT, USC
5. New England via(SF)Kansas City Vernon Gholston – DE, Ohio St–
6. New York Jets – Leodis McKelvin – CB, Troy
7. Kansas Ctiy Via New England – Jake Long – OT, Michigan
8. Baltimore –Matt Ryan – QB, Boston College
9. Cincinnati – Keith Rivers – OLB, USC
10. New Orleans – Kenny Phillips – FS, Miami
11. Buffalo – Malcolm Kelly – WR, Oklahoma
12. Denver – Ryan Clady – OT, Boise St
13. Carolina – Jeff Otah – OT, Pitt
14. Chicago – Rashard Mendenhall – HB, Illinois
15. Detroit – Mike Jenkins – CB, USF
16. Arizona – Jonathan Stewart – HB, Oregon
17. Minnesota – Phillip Merling – DE, Clemson
18. Houston – Sam Baker – OT, USC
19. Philadelphia – *Aqib Talib DB, 6-1, 205 Kansas
20. Tampa Bay – Kentwan Butler – DT, North Carolina
21. Washington – *Calais Campbell DE 6-7, 282 Miami
22. St. Louis via Dallas through (CLE) – Antoine Cason – CB, Arizona
23. Pittsburgh – *James Hardy WR 6-6, 220 Indiana
24. Tennessee – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – CB, Tennessee St
25. Seattle – Chris Williams – OT, Vanderbilt
26. Jacksonville – DeSean Jackson – WR, Cal
27. San Diego – Derrick Harvey DE 6-4, 245 Florida
28. St. Louis via Dallas – *Branden Albert OG 6-6, 335 Virginia
29. San Francisco (IND) – Dan Connor – OLB, Penn State
30. Green Bay – Reggie Smith – FS, Oklahoma
31. New York Giants –Dan Connor – OLB, Penn State

I think McFadden is dropping and Dallas is aware of that, I don't see them trading all the way to #2. I could see the Raiders taking Long, but Ellis makes more sense. I don't see the 2nd trade either. Why would NE move up for a player that should be there at their pick? I do not see the Jets needing Gholston, so I do not see the Pats jumping them.

Kenny Phillips is over rated, he is not worth the #10 pick, he is a SS and he does not cover well.

Carolina just signed Wharton to an extension and Franchised Gross, iirc, don't think OT is their 1st round pick.

And if the Texans take Baker at #18, and Williams is on the board, I will be very mad. Baker does not maintain his blocks and he appears to be disinterested in blocking when the play is going away from him. He did not impress me at the senior bowl, another overrated Trojan, IMO.

And you have Connor going to two teams, which did you mean and who is the other pick?

I applaud the work, these mocks do take a lot of time, just question the rankings and some of the teams picks.

 

[painekiller]

And you have Connor going to two teams, which did you mean and who is the other pick?

You fixed it and I like the fix alot.

 

[threetoedpete]

You fixed it and I like the fix alot.

He's an art pick no doubt...the film says the guy is a football player. I'd be shocked if he falls out of the first.

I also believe if McFaddin is there Atlanta takes the guy. Believe what you want. I believe there is a huge drop off between Felix the cat and McFaddin. Some don't.

Well, I just threw Baker up there. I hope both RBs fall and they get an offer for the eighteen.

Unless Howie gets up on the podium and pulls a Manning on april 27...Big Al will take the guy...no matter what their needs are.

The Wolf in New England will move up just as fast as he will move down. Gholston represents a perfect storm for them. They cut 90% of their drafted guys last year. Gholston fits. And the Jets are hovering. I think after he watches him next week, he'll spend the dough to move up and go get him.

 

[painekiller]

He's an art pick no doubt...the film says the guy is a football player. I'd be shocked if he falls out of the first.

He is a beast and the RT position would be filled for a long time. I am still wondering if he can be converted to LT. His arms are so long and with better techinque he might be a fixture on a teams left side. But I don't think I am going to find out, he will camp on the right side for someone.

For those that missed who we are talking about
29. San Francisco (IND) – Gosder Cherilus OT 6-6, 320 Boston College

 

[kastofsna]

all signs point to Miami going 4-3. either way i think they take Chris Long.

 

[threetoedpete]

He is a beast and the RT position would be filled for a long time. I am still wondering if he can be converted to LT. His arms are so long and with better techinque he might be a fixture on a teams left side. But I don't think I am going to find out, he will camp on the right side for someone.

For those that missed who we are talking about
29. San Francisco (IND) – Gosder Cherilus OT 6-6, 320 Boston College

What frustrates me is they have David Bass on the roster... perfect ZBS guy btw....and he can't break the line up. The other question is would the guy be there
if they wait and take the skill guy first ? And they way Smith got pummeled last year can they afford to wait ?

I see people forcing the QBs into the first....ah nope. Get the QB, defend the QB...protect the QB, that's it.

 

[threetoedpete]

all signs point to Miami going 4-3. either way i think they take Chris Long.

A defense the Tuna hasn't run since what '93 ? Tell me another one.


I saw the disney sports channel dissing Dorsey last night. The guy played hurt and can swing either way. History aside, the film says the better value is the DT. Dorsey, a guy who by every standard should of sat and protected his econmoic intrests. Instead, he gave it up for the team....I don't care what kind of motor Long has, he can't beat that.

 

[painekiller]

A defense the Tuna hasn't run since what '93 ? Tell me another one.


I saw the disney sports channel dissing Dorsey last night. The guy played hurt and can swing either way. History aside, the film says the better value is the DT. Dorsey, a guy who by every standard should of sat and protected his econmoic intrests. Instead, he gave it up for the team....I don't care what kind of motor Long has, he can't beat that.

I thought he ran a 4-3 his 1st year in Dallas? Maybe it was the LBs, he used the smaller guys the Cowboys had from the prior season, and Parcells is a supersized LB proponent.

 

[painekiller]

What frustrates me is they have David Bass on the roster... perfect ZBS guy btw....and he can't break the line up. The other question is would the guy be there
if they wait and take the skill guy first ? And they way Smith got pummeled last year can they afford to wait ?

I see people forcing the QBs into the first....ah nope. Get the QB, defend the QB...protect the QB, that's it.

I know alot of people in SF want James Hardy, and they need a stud WR. Now looking at the team they have 2 OTs with under 3 years experince, plus Kwame Harris is only a 5 yr vet. Kwama Harris, Adam Synder, Joe Stalley, Harris has the least upside of these guys and he is entering his prime. The 49ers may decide to they have enough talent given that Staley was a rookie and will only improve this season.

Baas is a guy I was in love with 3 years ago, and he has done very little as a pro. I figured he would be a 1st class starter by now. He is proving an old axiom, Michigan OL have topped out and do not improve much in the NFL.

 

[Vinny]

What frustrates me is they have David Bass on the roster... perfect ZBS guy btw....and he can't break the line up. The other question is would the guy be there
if they wait and take the skill guy first ? And they way Smith got pummeled last year can they afford to wait ?

I see people forcing the QBs into the first....ah nope. Get the QB, defend the QB...protect the QB, that's it.

Bass has been a big disappointment over in 9er ville. Perhaps he needs another year, but he has struggled badly so far to date.

 

[beerlover]

as much effort & time spent researching this pre-combine mock draft with no positive rep, I felt my analysis/resoning was too out there in regards to prospects going higher/lower than y'all anticipate. that 9. Cincinnati Bengals: Phillip Merling DE (Clemson) was very possibly a reach, or that nobody expects 18. Houston Texans: Leodis McKelvin CB (Troy) to be there when the Texans pick. still not comfortable with Rivers slide, buffalo being a viable option but if they don't select him I still see him falling until bpa scenero is unavoidable.

then I found draft 32 mock draft that just come out todaythis- http://www.draft32.com/viewpage.php?page_id=140 made me feel

 

[buddyboy]

then I found draft 32 mock draft that just come out todaythis- http://www.draft32.com/viewpage.php?page_id=140 made me feel

Wow, that mock has Chris Williams at 26...I've heard so many great things about him...I think I'd blow up if he dropped and the Texans passed on him.

 

[Goldensilence]

as much effort & time spent researching this pre-combine mock draft with no positive rep, I felt my analysis/resoning was too out there in regards to prospects going higher/lower than y'all anticipate. that 9. Cincinnati Bengals: Phillip Merling DE (Clemson) was very possibly a reach, or that nobody expects 18. Houston Texans: Leodis McKelvin CB (Troy) to be there when the Texans pick. still not comfortable with Rivers slide, buffalo being a viable option but if they don't select him I still see him falling until bpa scenero is unavoidable.

then I found draft 32 mock draft that just come out todaythis- http://www.draft32.com/viewpage.php?page_id=140 made me feel

Think If Chris Williams is there a 18 we bite? I would think Carolina as well opts for Brohm. Ryan is NFL ready but Brohm would be a better long term QB I think.

 

[beerlover]

Think If Chris Williams is there a 18 we bite? I would think Carolina as well opts for Brohm. Ryan is NFL ready but Brohm would be a better long term QB I think.

I'm really torn between Chris Williams vs. Leodis McKelvin

maybe the combine will provide some clarity