PapaL
Loose Screw
The defense is playing vanilla. No scheming no blitzing. The opposing Offense is going to look better, they know what play they want to run and they also know the defense is doing anything fancy.
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The defense is playing vanilla. No scheming no blitzing. The opposing Offense is going to look better, they know what play they want to run and they also know the defense is doing anything fancy.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mario is starting to fit the definition of "insanity"...................doing the same thing over and over and expecting another result. He cannot continue to try to be a "one trick pony." He will not be able to overpower each oponent head on to the outside............Bull rush as your only move is Bull***t..............Where are the coaches???????
rollinstone18
let it bleed
I'll wait to hear what Franklin and Bush have to say about Mario's performance. But nothing I saw was very noteworthy from any of the d-lineman, except maybe Kalu.
So, even though we think the rest of the team played well, we're "pissing and moaning" on a Mario Williams thread?
oooookayTell me again why you're criticizing us?
Wolf
100% Texan
well we might just release the whole D-line then
Weaver doesn't show up in the stats
Tj's 3 total tackles one sack (can't tell which of the two did what so combined them)
Okoye 1 tackle
Williams doesn't show up either
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270818022
Weaver doesn't show up in the stats
Tj's 3 total tackles one sack (can't tell which of the two did what so combined them)
Okoye 1 tackle
Williams doesn't show up either
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270818022
R
real
Guest
I find joy in analyzing players performances...Nothing more nothing less...
For instance...If you go back and look at some of Travis Johnsons' pass rush moves you will be very imressed....He even had one play where he faked liked he was jumping up to bat a pass down and threw his hands in the air...The offensive lineman reacted and kind of stood up a bit TJ ripped under him and hit the QB as he threw...He had some very nice moves today and was really active...Also Kasey Studdard looked borderline amazing...Both in pass pro and in run blocking...I liked all the RB's...Morlon still sucked IMO...We gotta a problem with our safeties...
BUT this IS a Mario Williams thread...
Who'd have ever thunk to find critique of mario in here ?
For instance...If you go back and look at some of Travis Johnsons' pass rush moves you will be very imressed....He even had one play where he faked liked he was jumping up to bat a pass down and threw his hands in the air...The offensive lineman reacted and kind of stood up a bit TJ ripped under him and hit the QB as he threw...He had some very nice moves today and was really active...Also Kasey Studdard looked borderline amazing...Both in pass pro and in run blocking...I liked all the RB's...Morlon still sucked IMO...We gotta a problem with our safeties...
BUT this IS a Mario Williams thread...
Who'd have ever thunk to find critique of mario in here ?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
"But it's only freakin preseason."
So, even though we think the rest of the team played well, we're "pissing and moaning" on a Mario Williams thread?
Tell me again why you're criticizing us?
As I had said...
Leahmic223
Veteran
The reason is because Dline stats are hard to come by. You can't play 15 plays as a Dline and expect 3 tackles and a sack... Some DTs get 3 Ts a game, if you are then you have around 48 tackles for the year...which is a lot for a DT. Compare that to the amount of tkls a LB gets...
A DE is having a good game if he's got 3 tackles in a sack...that is in a WHOLE game. So I am just wondering why expect Mario to have any stats after the time he has played?
Even Kubes said his play would eventually show in the stats had he played the whole game...that is why we need to wait for the regular season.
R
real
Guest
That's the problem with looking at stats....It leads you to believe Mario and Julius Peppers are on the same level...LOL @ Stats...
Trust your eyes...Mario gets no pressure...He uses no moves...No burst...He doesn't look much different from last year guys....Maybe a bit slimmer, but as far as the playing goes he's still struggling...
Either Mario should be a Strong side DE, or he needs to wake up and use his abilities....He may never develop that ummph that a pass rusher has and that'd be fine if he were a LDE...But he's not...He's at RDE...
If Weaver comes back and is in the starting line-up then our pressure will look worse...you guys do realize that right? The best thing for us to do would be to leave AW on the bench and just play un-conventionally with Babin or Kalu on the Left side...And some how we gotta work T.J in there to see what he can do....
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
The problem I'm having is that Mario hasn't WOWed me at all. Not last year and certainly not this year either. Yes, I give him a little bit of a pass on last year because of the injury, but I expected to see signs of brilliance this preseason. I haven't seen anything from him. If Mario had one play were he really gave chase to the QB or stuffed the run, just something I could cheer, I’d feel much better about him.
And, as far as Bust talk goes, well, he's not a bust, yet, but the word is starting to linger in the back of my mind.
Leahmic223
Veteran
Yeah his stats right now are the same as Peppers...but they were not in the regular season...
The point is to wait till the regular season, how hard is that? Its coming up.
Look at a lot of the good DEs stats in preseason...they are pretty similar. And the thread is blaming Mario for not having any in preseason and the reason is because it takes a full game for DE to have any stats at all.
You say the problem with stats is that they lead you to beleive that MArio and Peppers are on the same level...no they do not. Peppers had 13 last season and Mario had 4.5...how is that similar?
R
real
Guest
Wow...
Just do me a favor. Watch Mario play and then watch a player who you'd consider to be average that plays the same DE position.
Use your eyes, trust your gut.
Silver Oak
All Pro
I find joy in analyzing players performances...Nothing more nothing less...
For instance...If you go back and look at some of Travis Johnsons' pass rush moves you will be very imressed....He even had one play where he faked liked he was jumping up to bat a pass down and threw his hands in the air...The offensive lineman reacted and kind of stood up a bit TJ ripped under him and hit the QB as he threw...He had some very nice moves today and was really active...Also Kasey Studdard looked borderline amazing...Both in pass pro and in run blocking...I liked all the RB's...Morlon still sucked IMO...We gotta a problem with our safeties...
BUT this IS a (misdirected) Mario Williams thread...
Who'd have ever thunk to find critique of mario in here ?
Thats very good to hear about Johnson and Studdard.
Leahmic223
Veteran
Wow...
Just do me a favor. Watch Mario play and then watch a player who you'd consider to be average that plays the same DE position.
Use your eyes, trust your gut.
The thing is man, Mario did not play a full game. So you can't properly judge him on a few plays.
Kubes said last week that his play would show in stats had he played the full game...which is why we are going to have to wait and see what happens in the regular season.
That is all I have been saying. All I am saying is we should wait.
I am not saying he played well. I am not saying he played horrible. I am saying it is better to just wait than to pass him off as anything because if the contrary happens, you'll look like a fool.
R
real
Guest
I don't need to do that. I can look at the guy and tell he's not playing well.
Stop feeding me this non-sense about how he really is, but he just hasn't played a full game and he will miraculously start playing ball "when it really counts"...ball players play ball....
You're in denial. His play was borderline terrible.
Leahmic223
Veteran
I am in denial about what?
I never said he played well...where are you getting this from. What post did I say "Mario played well today."
Where did I say this? I am confused.
Leahmic223
Veteran
I can see that from the stats.
I didn't bring up stats. If you want to, trust me I can.
The problem is the thread title indicates that the Mario having no stats are a problem in the preseason.
Yet look at the stats for DEs in the preseason around the league...you are not going to find many numbers.
So I countered with a post saying basically how do you expect a DE to have any stats after playing what about 15-20 snaps? He's lucky to get 3 tkls and a sack for a full game.
Then Tru brings up that the stats would indicate that Peppers and Mario are on the same level... no they do not because if you look at the Regular Season stats it would show that Peppers is a much better DE than Mario....
Leahmic223
Veteran
Thanks for the recap.
If you do that every time I make a smarta@# remark that's nothing more than a feeble attempt at humour, you will be typing an awful lot.
Nah its okay, I actually enjoy typing and writing.
Some days I just have a urge to write something or type something. Then I type fast(or I try) so I tend to make TONS of typos.
bayshorebevo
Waterboy
I taped the game and just watched every down that Mario played more than once. The coaches are not going to be pleased no matter what the coach speak says. He was thrown around like a rag doll and was never once anywhere near doing anything. He spent half his time on the ground. Yes he was held a few times but it wouldn't have made a difference because he was already out of the play. A cardboard cutout would have done just as much. I want Mario to play well but he didn't. He played plenty tonight and didn't do anything. My wife said everytime they touched him he fell down (which is an exaggeration but he sure spent alot of time on his backside.) You would expect him to have had a couple good moments. Before the apologists bust my chops, please watch the game again and tell me where the above is untrue rather than spouting out the party line.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
wow, 75+ posts in a matter of hours. seems like Mario's suckitude is the new topic du jour since ChoirBoy got sent packing.
i will withhold judgement till we see him during the regular season, but I have to admit he looks like total garbage out there. just piss poor effort and piss poor results. he better fix things and fix them fast. If Kubiak says he was pleased with his performance, I think the dude got a frontal lobe lobotomy.
at least Schaubbie looked crisp, Dunta looked like a man on a mission, and that kid Jacoby looks like a real deal diamond in the rough, courtesy of RS.
i will withhold judgement till we see him during the regular season, but I have to admit he looks like total garbage out there. just piss poor effort and piss poor results. he better fix things and fix them fast. If Kubiak says he was pleased with his performance, I think the dude got a frontal lobe lobotomy.
at least Schaubbie looked crisp, Dunta looked like a man on a mission, and that kid Jacoby looks like a real deal diamond in the rough, courtesy of RS.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Have not seen many, if any, apologists around here for Mario. You do not have to watch the game again, if one watched it live to know he did not perform up to expectations for the fans, including me. What matters is if he met expectations for the staff.
bayshorebevo
Waterboy
If he met expectations for the staff, they don't expect to win any games this year.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Now that is just plain silly.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
bayshorebevo
Waterboy
What is silly about a player playing a half of a game like crap and expecting the coaching staff to be unhappy about it. if they aren't they are idiots. And don't give me that garbage about they know more than everyone else either.
Fox
Rookie
I agree with xtru, I've been a fan of Mario being a strongside DE for sometime now. He hasn't demonstrated the pass rushing skills to be the weakside DE. Bump Mario to strongside and put in Kalu or Babin in his spot at weakside. Putting him in the position that's supposed to generate our most consistent pressure only magnifies his inadequacies. I think he could make a very good strongside DE anchoring the line and hopefully eventually providing *some* pass rush.
It's disturbing how little production we're getting out of an area we've spent so much on the last four years. The only positive I've taken from that group is that after a couple years of mediocre play, Babin and TJ (mainly Babin) seem to have finally taken a step forward.
I want to see a healthy season out of Mario before I panic, but I'm definitely worried at this point. Okoye isn't playing well but the guy's 20 years old. He's got a couple years before I expect really big things from him.
It's disturbing how little production we're getting out of an area we've spent so much on the last four years. The only positive I've taken from that group is that after a couple years of mediocre play, Babin and TJ (mainly Babin) seem to have finally taken a step forward.
I want to see a healthy season out of Mario before I panic, but I'm definitely worried at this point. Okoye isn't playing well but the guy's 20 years old. He's got a couple years before I expect really big things from him.
bayshorebevo
Waterboy
Don't be stupid, this isn't a spelling bee. We are talking about football where guys are trying to knock the heck out of each other. I am sick of this team going down the toilet since it started and a bunch of people saying its okay. It's time the Texans stood up to be counted. BTW, how many of the players would write a paragraph grammatically correct? I suppose that is more important than winning games.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
I know one that wouldn't, Vince " Mr. Wonderlic" Young.
Silver Oak
All Pro
bayshorebevo
Waterboy
Calling people stupid will have you shot down in a hurry, bub. State your case so it's understandable.
Last time I checked, most NFL players weren't on their MBs. After playing a lousy game, they were getting chewed up.
We know the Texans haven't been stellar of late. They've never been stellar. At least pose a point so it can be addressed instead of having us speculate as to your meaning. Unless your point is that we need to win. I think we're all on the same page there.
"So...what are you saying? Proper spelling and grammar would help. Capitalization is espcially helpful. Incompelete sentences are baffling."
You called me stupid with that quote. or were you just trying to be superior, bub?
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well it was a little thingy...didn't matter much....on the fourth and one, Maddox stuffed Al Johnson and made his gonads retreat back up into his body cavity. 'Ol Al will be seaching for his spenter for a few days. Maddox and Mario held the point with two guys driving into Mario. Now , Demeeeco and Clark are getting all the gravy from that play. But Maddox and Mario held the point. They turned the RBs shoulder pads. As far as your instant gradifacation is concerned, they guy is still a babe and he is husseling every play. What I can not for the life of me understand is why we can hold our water and wait for Babins and T.J. to develope , but Mario has to be Reggie White out of the box. You wanna worry about something on the defensive side, worry about four FF on the ground and no one gets close to the recovery. Vincent plays for the Titans and Reggie plays for the Saints. All the banging in the world on Mario isn't going to change those two facts. He'll emerge when he emerges.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I understand what you are saying but you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm not sitting here yelling "bust." I'm trying to explain what you get when you take a guy #1 overall. 1) I'm not sure on the hustling. Do I think he is jaking it?I'm not going to say that but there were questions about his motor since NC St. So I'd like to see some full games in yr 2 and see what he has. 2) I never said anything about Babin or TJ. I think Babin has been horrible for what Charlie gave up but will be happy is he has a breakout year. I'm concerned TJ had to have a coach threaten to cut him to get him to turn it around. 3) My thread had nothing to do with VY or Reggie. You just have to realize that your assessment might make alot of sense for the 17th guy taken in the 1st round but when you take a guy #1 overall, you are expecting to see plays, not someone that can spend a career holding the line. The reasoning behind his pick was "we are getting torched in the secondary and having a guy who can pressure the QB can change that." Right now, we aren't getting close to that. So I'd like to see more. That isn't a sin.
PapaL
Loose Screw
No arguements here. All I can say is that I will withhold judgments until after year 3. Last year with the bouncing around and playing all 4 positions, thats just crazy. Hopefully this year he'll be able to concentrate on learning and doing one thing well; rush the passer from one spot. If what we saw last year and then in these two preseason games is any indication then we screwed up. Until next year is over I'm not going to say that.
Good luck Mario, we the fans/team/city need you.
What are u smoking? Our defense was in disarray the entire game and MW & AO were total non-factors when they were in the game. Of course, we should give them time to develop but, they should also show flashes of the promised greatness and that is not happening. Now, it is not their fault that we drafted them as high as we did. So, the disappointment should be pointed at the FO.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
It takes time for young D-Linemen to develop. The Texans have drafted the youngest player in 2 consecutive drafts, now. It should not be expected that these young players be dominant immediatly.
PapaL
Loose Screw
How can there be disapointment after 3 quarters of NFL football for AO and a year for MW? Mario's lack of "WOW" factor I understand somewhat. But AO? Come on.
I didn't say they are supposed to be dominant .... just show us some flashes.
I see, so our #1 picks are not supposed to show us ANYTHING for several years and then miraculously they are going to become impact players. I'm glad nobody has told Jacoby Jones that.
Also, I don't think Adam Carriker is subscribing to that hyposthesis, and neither is Patrick Willis.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Jacoby Jones is a WR/PR not a DE or a DT.
Patrick Willis is a LB not a DE or a DT.
Adam Carriker is a DT but he is the exception so far in preseason at DT and not the rule.