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ESPN bits on Schaub

Maddict5

Maddict5

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from John Clayton's burning:gun: questions:

5. Is Matt Schaub the savior of the Texans' offense?
The answer is he had better be. For five years, David Carr tried every configuration of offense, but it didn't work because of poor offensive-line blocking. He tried quick throws. He tried roll-outs. The results still ended up being too many sacks. Head coach Gary Kubiak felt change was needed, so he traded for former Atlanta backup Schaub, who is a tall, smart quarterback who gets rid of the ball fast.

First, Kubiak has to establish a running game with Ahman Green. Second, he needs to find a receiver on the other side of Andre Johnson; Kevin Walter is the leading candidate. The team is considering the signing of Keenan McCardell, which wouldn't be a bad idea. The Texans' starters are the youngest in the NFL. The team is particularly young on defense. Offense has been the biggest problem, and Kubiak is banking on Schaub to be the answer to the problems.
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and from floyd reese's 'Feeling the Heat':gun: column
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reese_floyd&id=2916762

Houston Texans: Matt Schaub

The Texans' recent focus has been on defense, after they used their first-round draft choice on another defensive lineman (Amobi Okoye). His addition should help the defense. For the first time in team history, the Texans will be starting a quarterback other than David Carr. Because the quarterback play has been the focal point of the franchise since its inception, Matt Schaub will be feeling the heat in Houston
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personally, while all the texans will be feeling the heat (not only because its very hot in houston, but because of our new higher expectations), i think mario will be under the most pressure to perform at a really high level- its his second yr (no more rookie mistakes) and injury free so he has to justify being taken before the saints HWWNBN and the tack's HWWNBN
 
Imagine, an ESPiN talking head spouting the same old same old. I always have a feeling that the fluff from Clayton is meant for more casual fans. Simple, black and white perspectives, and easy to digest. After years of watching their NFL shows, I often feel like I've eaten whip cream for supper.

Good analysis [IMO] will often be shades of gray (i.e. our offensive struggles are not the fault of one aspect, but a mixture of elements that did not work out), and can be difficult to pinpoint with simplicity.
 
For better or worse, it looks like this whole Carr situation is going to be put to bed both for Carr and the Texans.

Things could get really rough for Carr if Schuab lights it up while he is riding the bench as a backup. Then, when Carr gets his chance, if he screws up, particarly with the sacks another team, everyone will go see...
 
The good news is this weekend marks the 4 week countdown to training camp. It will be here before we know it, and FINALLY, all of this offseason crapola can be put to rest, and we can start to see what we have with Schaub, along with the rest of the guys. I can't wait! :devilpig:
 
Maddict5 said:
i think mario will be under the most pressure to perform at a really high level- its his second yr (no more rookie mistakes) and injury free so he has to justify being taken before the saints HWWNBN and the tack's HWWNBN
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And the pressure really begins on the fireball throwing plummer.

IF Young sneaks the Titans into the Playoffs .....

IF Bush gets 1500 Rushing/Rec yards and 10 TDs ....

How many sacks does Mario need to make the pick worth passing on the two?
 
Blazing Arrow said:
And the pressure really begins on the fireball throwing plummer.

IF Young sneaks the Titans into the Playoffs .....

IF Bush gets 1500 Rushing/Rec yards and 10 TDs ....

How many sacks does Mario need to make the pick worth passing on the two?
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Can you talk in English? Oh I forgot, you are a meatball fan. That explains it. Does anyone have a Meatball to English dictionary?:texflag:
 
Blazing Arrow said:
And the pressure really begins on the fireball throwing plummer.

IF Young sneaks the Titans into the Playoffs .....

IF Bush gets 1500 Rushing/Rec yards and 10 TDs ....

How many sacks does Mario need to make the pick worth passing on the two?
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In reality it doesn't matter what Crazy Legs and Scatback do. If Mario makes the defense better, has a long productive career, he earns his money and our respect. I just can't see a running QB and 3rd down RB making this team any better than it is with Schaub and/or Green.
 
Porky said:
Can you talk in English? Oh I forgot, you are a meatball fan. That explains it. Does anyone have a Meatball to English dictionary?:texflag:
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Sorry I did not shoot something in my post so you could understand. I will try my hardest for the next post.
 
They always fail to mention the injuries on the O-Line or the fact that our 2nd best offense weapon was Ron "Bust" Dayne.

But, Mario does have a long way to catch Bush and VY since he wasn't exactly lighting it up last year.
 
The1ApplePie said:
They always fail to mention the injuries on the O-Line or the fact that our 2nd best offense weapon was Ron "Bust" Dayne.

But, Mario does have a long way to catch Bush and VY since he wasn't exactly lighting it up last year.
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Rookie RBs almost always make a bigger impact than rookies at other positions. Regarding VYoung, talk to me when he throws more TD than interceptions or when he is asked to throw the ball 30 times to win a game. How about eclipsing a 200 yd per game average or throwing for 60% completion.
 
There is no doubt that VYoung, with a lot of help from THenry, made a bad Titan offense much better. However, that's the history of most physically gifted, athletic QBs- they immediately make a bad team better. However, rarely do they make a good team great.

Examples that fit this description: Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, Dante Culpepper are three clear examples that resemble VYOung in a lot of ways...

I'm not saying that Young won't be more successful than those guys but the media, the NFL, and the fans were all fawning on these guys at this point in there careers as well. If Young's path is similar, which it certainly good be, then fans are going to be grateful we didn't draft him last year.
 
IMO, offensive and defensive linemen usually take a couple years to develop. Granted, Mario had a debilitating injury last year, so a healthy Mario in his second year will probably be a huge upgrade over last year's Mario.
 
the wonger need food said:
In reality it doesn't matter what Crazy Legs and Scatback do. If Mario makes the defense better, has a long productive career, he earns his money and our respect. I just can't see a running QB and 3rd down RB making this team any better than it is with Schaub and/or Green.
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Well I was speaking more of next season and the hypothetical(s) I suggested.

To me a great DE can help a team allot but does not produce as much as a RB or QB. A DE that produces 10 sacks a season would defiantly help but a RB that is throwing up 1000+ yards and catching another 50 for 500 seems a little more valuable in the grand scheme. Same with a QB who has shown he is a leader and was a home town hero.

I was just wondering if the ‘what if’ is still the hearts or not. Is Mario's production this season crucial to justify the pick?
 
dalemurphy said:
Rookie RBs almost always make a bigger impact than rookies at other positions. Regarding VYoung, talk to me when he throws more TD than interceptions or when he is asked to throw the ball 30 times to win a game. How about eclipsing a 200 yd per game average or throwing for 60% completion.
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When compared to elite QBs rookie season, Young was right in line. Would you say the same of Manning, Elway, Moon, Aikman, S Young? All of them failed to meet at least two of you listed requirements in there first season and all turned out to have a pretty solid career.
 
I think Mario's forced fumble against the Colts last 12/24 showed a determination in his game. In spite of less than stellar rookie numbers on a bum foot all season, he still played hard and continued to push himself.

Honestly, judging draft picks by rookie seasons seems a bit premature, so this season will be a good indication of where these guys are headed.

I certainly have nothing against VY or RB, but I do not think either of them were good fits for a Kubiak offense. We need a QB that is more of a WCO passer, and a back that can contribute every down (either through the running game or pass protection). Neither of these players fit the bill.

If you look at the big picture, I think the best pick would've been D'brick, considering our need at LT. Mario can still pan out, and I think this year will give us a good idea of what he's about. No hurt foot, starting at one position, a year of experience, and good coaching now, should all be positive factors in his development.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
Well I was speaking more of next season and the hypothetical(s) I suggested.

To me a great DE can help a team allot but does not produce as much as a RB or QB. A DE that produces 10 sacks a season would defiantly help but a RB that is throwing up 1000+ yards and catching another 50 for 500 seems a little more valuable in the grand scheme. Same with a QB who has shown he is a leader and was a home town hero.

I was just wondering if the ‘what if’ is still the hearts or not. Is Mario's production this season crucial to justify the pick?
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Why should it matter to anyone that Vince Young is from the Houston area? Do Texan fans really want the organization to operate in that way- taking local heroes when their football analysis suggests someone else?
 
Blazing Arrow said:
Well I was speaking more of next season and the hypothetical(s) I suggested.

To me a great DE can help a team allot but does not produce as much as a RB or QB.

A DE that produces 10 sacks a season would defiantly help but a RB that is throwing up 1000+ yards and catching another 50 for 500 seems a little more valuable in the grand scheme. Same with a QB who has shown he is a leader and was a home town hero.

I was just wondering if the ‘what if’ is still the hearts or not. Is Mario's production this season crucial to justify the pick?
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I agree totally. Most interviews and analysis of DE's has shown they make an impact on about 1 out of 20 snaps. I would say a QB or RB would be at least double that. Another interesting note, hardly ever is praise give to the DE that ties up 2 blockers so someone "ELSE" can make the sack or tackle the RB behind the LOS.
 
dalemurphy said:
Why should it matter to anyone that Vince Young is from the Houston area? Do Texan fans really want the organization to operate in that way- taking local heroes when their football analysis suggests someone else?
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I was using the "Home Town Hero" flag as a reason but not the only reason why to pick Young. I could have easily mentioned the OT run, OROY, greatest comeback in NFL history by a rookie QB, Rookie Pro-Bowler (yeah yeah yeah), Managing to pull out 8 wins with the 32nd ranked D in the NFL, and the fact that you had Carr as your QB at the time of the draft.
 
swtbound07 said:
i wonder what would happen if the titans fan drank bleach?
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It's not your smack forum I am trying to keep it friendly here. If you noticed I have not gone off on bashing the Texans in the thread, just trying to get a feel for how the fans feel plus it is offseason.
 
TK_Gamer said:
I agree totally. Most interviews and analysis of DE's has shown they make an impact on about 1 out of 20 snaps. I would say a QB or RB would be at least double that. Another interesting note, hardly ever is praise give to the DE that ties up 2 blockers so someone "ELSE" can make the sack or tackle the RB behind the LOS.
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I understand that. When the Titans had Kearse and Carter on opposite ends our QB pressure was amazing. We lost that strength and have struggled to get pressure on the QB for at least two seasons now. It does not help we have had a merry-go-round of injuries at DE the last two season not to mention DT.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
I was using the "Home Town Hero" flag as a reason but not the only reason why to pick Young. I could have easily mentioned the OT run, OROY, greatest comeback in NFL history by a rookie QB, Rookie Pro-Bowler (yeah yeah yeah), Managing to pull out 8 wins with the 32nd ranked D in the NFL, and the fact that you had Carr as your QB at the time of the draft.
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He did all of this by himself.

Forget the phantom call regarding the sack. the same guy was flagged for unneccessary roughness earlier in the game and had vy but the refs are inconsistant with that call. Forget the returns by quebert, the int in the giants game. If you think I am taking anything away, nope I am just pointing out that it was not a one man show as most titans think and what espin reports.

Are you saying he had the number to be a probowler, c'mon he got that because of hype not stats. Well unless you count his as a runningback probowler. His passing darn sure did not make him a probowler. This is what is wrong espin hypes a guy because what they can show on a highlight versus actually football knowledge and everything gets skewed.

One play in overtime makes a guy worth drafting or having on your team, great football analysis. Every one hit wonder would love you to be the gm of a team now.

Does not fit a system or does should be more of an indicator not hype.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Don't D-Linemen get the same kind of deal as RBs? Imediate impact.
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NO! Most lineman, be it on offense or defense usually take a year to see great impacts. Not to say there are not those that do show that kind of impact. D'Brick did not show that great impact is he a bust as well or do you give him a free pass because he is not the guy you wanted. You repeated hatred of players is just about played out. You act more like a troll than most of the titans fans who come here.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
I was using the "Home Town Hero" flag as a reason but not the only reason why to pick Young. I could have easily mentioned the OT run, OROY, greatest comeback in NFL history by a rookie QB, Rookie Pro-Bowler (yeah yeah yeah), Managing to pull out 8 wins with the 32nd ranked D in the NFL, and the fact that you had Carr as your QB at the time of the draft.
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Accolades? Did someone mention accolades?

How about a league worst passer rating of 66.7? Or how about throwing more int's. than td's(13/12)? That outstanding 51.5% completion percentage also should be mentioned. And losing that last game of the season...the one that would have put them in the playoffs. That's good stuff too!

He had a heck of a supporting cast last year so don't throw them under the bus! The long ass FG, pacman's defense, and a very good running game helped alot.
 
Specnatz said:
Are you saying he had the number to be a probowler
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He got it because 5 QB's in front of him declined to go to the pro-bowl from the AFC. That isn't taking anything away from VY, but the system really is silly and needs to be worked out on who gets called pro-bowler.
 
infantrycak said:
He got it because 5 QB's in front of him declined to go to the pro-bowl from the AFC. That isn't taking anything away from VY, but the system really is silly and needs to be worked out on who gets called pro-bowler.
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Exactly. That was my point.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
I was using the "Home Town Hero" flag as a reason but not the only reason why to pick Young. I could have easily mentioned the OT run, OROY, greatest comeback in NFL history by a rookie QB, Rookie Pro-Bowler (yeah yeah yeah), Managing to pull out 8 wins with the 32nd ranked D in the NFL, and the fact that you had Carr as your QB at the time of the draft.
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So your saying we should have analyzed VY's rookie season before we drafted Mario.:yes:
 
Specnatz said:
Forget the phantom call regarding the sack. the same guy was flagged for unneccessary roughness earlier in the game and had vy but the refs are inconsistant with that call.
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It was actually a couple weeks prior that he was reacting to. It is a game you do not tackle you do not win. Check Honeymoon's avatar for an example.

Forget the returns by quebert, the int in the giants game. If you think I am taking anything away, nope I am just pointing out that it was not a one man show as most titans think and what espin reports.
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I never said it was a one man show, I just mentioned accolades atributed to Young. No more no less. I was mainly point out that he has worth above your run of the mill rookie QB who did not get those accolades.

Are you saying he had the number to be a probowler, c'mon he got that because of hype not stats. Well unless you count his as a runningback probowler. His passing darn sure did not make him a probowler. This is what is wrong espin hypes a guy because what they can show on a highlight versus actually football knowledge and everything gets skewed.
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You will notice the "yeah yeah yeah" after the probowl comment. I am aware of how he got in but then again no matter how he got in he was still there. Again accolade nothing more nothing less.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
Well I was speaking more of next season and the hypothetical(s) I suggested.

To me a great DE can help a team allot but does not produce as much as a RB or QB. A DE that produces 10 sacks a season would defiantly help but a RB that is throwing up 1000+ yards and catching another 50 for 500 seems a little more valuable in the grand scheme. Same with a QB who has shown he is a leader and was a home town hero.

I was just wondering if the ‘what if’ is still the hearts or not. Is Mario's production this season crucial to justify the pick?
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I think production IS crucial. However that production does not necessarily have to be sacks. A high number would be nice, but I would rather see a disruptive force in the backfield with TFL's, QB hurries, and stopping the run. I expect and would be happy with 8 1/2 to 12 sacks as long as the defense as a whole can dominate games.:d:
 
Blazing Arrow said:
I was using the "Home Town Hero" flag as a reason but not the only reason why to pick Young. I could have easily mentioned the OT run, OROY, greatest comeback in NFL history by a rookie QB, Rookie Pro-Bowler (yeah yeah yeah), Managing to pull out 8 wins with the 32nd ranked D in the NFL, and the fact that you had Carr as your QB at the time of the draft.
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The man has a point. :hmmm:

It is rather bizarre twist of events that the player we signed for $8 million is gone a year later, no doubt about it.

While I do not regret passing on Young, he is still a good player with a ton of potential. To be honest, I'm looking forward to playing him twice a year...while I'm not looking forward to playing him twice a year. He's a dynamic talent that can be a big playmaker (as we have witnessed).

Of course, a QB cannot do it by his lonesome (if anyone knows this to be true it's Texans fans). So I'm not going to knock VY when I've got respect for the guy's game. However, I will take some satisfaction should Mario and the rest of the defense take care of business, especially in Reliant.

And I still do not think that Young is a QB that would flourish in a Kubiak WCO.
 
Silver Oak said:
Accolades? Did someone mention accolades?

How about a league worst passer rating of 66.7? Or how about throwing more int's. than td's(13/12)? That outstanding 51.5% completion percentage also should be mentioned. And losing that last game of the season...the one that would have put them in the playoffs. That's good stuff too!

He had a heck of a supporting cast last year so don't throw them under the bus! The long ass FG, pacman's defense, and a very good running game helped alot.
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I meantioned before that when compaired to the elite QBs that have played in the NFL Youngs first season was not better but was also not worst then most of the players. Are you telling me that Manning sucks because he has more INTs then TDs his first season and passed 56.7%? Who is living in a fatasy now.

Pacman and Brionis (sp?) were not avalible at the time of the draft. My question that has started this came off of the choice between: Bush, Young, and Mario. No one more. My poinst were made to show that Young did contribute and he is not a bust.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
My poinst were made to show that Young did contribute and he is not a bust.
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Who ever called vy a bust is a moron. the same can be said for anyone who calls bush or Mario a bust. I give ya crap about young cause it is fun, I respect the guys game but I am not sold on him as an elite qb by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
My poinst were made to show that Young did contribute and he is not a bust.
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Yet... There's no way to make that determination after half of one season. Jeff George had a better rookie season than Young and I would consider him a bust.

Without Travis Henry, the Offensive Line, your Kicker and Pacman the Titans don't win a game last year.
 
the wonger need food said:
Yet... There's no way to make that determination after half of one season. Jeff George had a better rookie season than Young and I would consider him a bust.

Without Travis Henry, the Offensive Line, your Kicker and Pacman the Titans don't win a game last year.
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Yes, if the Titans O had played down 6 guys, I doubt the Titans would have won a game. Like wise if we had tried to snap the ball to no one because the kicker was not on the field, it would have been a disaster.
 
I'm sorry, but VY is going to be a thorn in our side for years to come...
 
ReliantTexan said:
And hopefully,Mario will be a thorn in Vince's side for years to come.:texflag:
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He will...

Talent wise (considering his position) Mario is just as capable as any player taken in the top 5 of that years draft...

Whether or not that will translate to on field production has yet to be seen though I think this year Mario will show why he was considered an elite prospect...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm sorry, but VY is going to be a thorn in our side for years to come...
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Nope. No he is not. His legs will only take him so far. He's too hardheaded and stuborn to change.
There are no spread QBs in the NFL. And there is a very good reason for that. There are old quarterbacks and there are bold qurterbacks. But there are no old bold quarterbacks in the NFL. Vincent will be no different.
 
threetoedpete said:
Nope. No he is not. His legs will only take him so far. He's too hardheaded and stuborn to change.
There are no spread QBs in the NFL. And there is a very good reason for that. There are old quarterbacks and there are bold qurterbacks. But there are no old bold quarterbacks in the NFL. Vincent will be no different.
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IMO, VY's running style is to make plays, not to just run if he is running. Besides, the way he runs, he doesn't take a lot of punishment.

If he learns to read defenses properly and can communicate well with his receivers, he will probably have a very successful career with no greater risk of serious injury than any other QB in the league.

VY is just a unique player that doesn't fit in any known box.

The guy just wins where he plays.
 
threetoedpete said:
Nope. No he is not. His legs will only take him so far. He's too hardheaded and stuborn to change.
There are no spread QBs in the NFL. And there is a very good reason for that. There are old quarterbacks and there are bold qurterbacks. But there are no old bold quarterbacks in the NFL. Vincent will be no different.
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LOL...ok....

I suppose you thought he'd get killed in his rookie season too, eh ?

Now it's his sophomore year, then it'll be year three, then it'll be....blah, blah, blah....
 
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