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Texans Close the Deal for Schaub: confirmed by NFLNetwork

so the way the deal is slated we move down to the 10th pick...maybe still able to pick up laron landry...maybe not

we give up not only this years 2nd rounder but next years...and we have to work a deal out with matt schaub...a left handed QB which means now our LT position becomes our RT position...does the franchise think that much of eric winston...i do...but i wasn't sure they did

matt schaub has good size at 6'5'' and 237lbs...but a 52.2% comp. is that good and his 6 to 6 TD to INT ration isn't either...however his comp. % has gone up every year...career QB rating of 69.2

just to compare some of the stats:

carr comp % = 60/ td to int ratio = 59 to 65/ career QB rating = 75.5
schaub comp % = 52.2/ td to int ratio = 6 to 6/career QB rating = 69.2

the move shocks me since i didn't think rick smith and kubiak were ok with giving up picks but they not only give up one pick but two

not sure if i like the trade or hate it...leaning towards hating it
 
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Any thought of getting anything in a trade for Carr's contract . . . . is delusional at best.

After this deal today for Schaub, which basically announces with a bullhorn to the rest of the league that Carr is finished here . . . someone please tell me how they have any leverage for dealing Carr's contract.

Not gonna happen, IMO. If you don't prepare yourself for Carr's release, it's your own fault.

What if DC restructures? Or will the NFL-PA let him do that?
 
That ship has sailed.

Hmmm - So far all ive heard is the rumor of Shaub signing with nothing confirmed. Anybody have some updates on this?

My hunch - So what happend to the papers not being signed. The Plummer deal to the Bucs and him retiring is a ruse to avoid bonus money with the broncos until we can trade Carr and get the 4th rndr we need to give the Bucs for Plummer's rights . He can unretire after the draft and june 2 cap cuts etc etc and sign a deal and avoid escalating bonus probs in his contract. - but its just a hunch mind you:lightbulb:

The season hasnt started yet! - i hear vague music and chants of - keep hope alive-

I still say Plummer to the Texans in 07 :wild:
 
Nod agree w/Jerek
While Shaub has a little talent, its unproven and the likelihood that Kubiak will stake his 2nd year coaching and give up draft pix on another "project" QB a year after doing it with Carr does not sound appealing to me. While I dont know Kubiak I would think even he would say - its too much to give up on this deal to Smitty .

It's not too much to give up for a number of reasons.

How many "proven" back-ups are there in the leauge ? 1, 2 ? if that...

How many "proven' starters are there in the leauge? How much do you think it'd take to get a Matt Hasselback ?

More than what we gave up...

I think the price is a little steep, but not as steep as some of you are making it out to be...
 
It might be a bad trade when:

The other teams' forum is happy about it and makes quotes such as "Looks like Mckay cheated on his wife, is now openly bi-sexual.... after he bent over the Houston franchise"

Oh, and we just lost the Landry pick on the draft.
their forum has a bunch of blowhards in some respects just like this forum does. that falcons radio guy thinks they should have tried to move up a little bit more. hopefully schaub sticks it to them when we go to ATL in 2007.
 
Taken from the Falcon message board:

why are the texans always the biggest suckers

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last year got mario williams,passed up on reggie bush,vince young,nick mangold,dbrickashaw ferguson,matt leinart,aj hawk,vernon davis, Not to say mario williams isnt a good pick BUT hes not an OVERALL NUMBER 1 PICK, and now if this deal goes through they are even bigger suckers than ever. Through this process got number 8 pick,39,44,2008 second round pick, freed up 2.3 cap space, and have a chance to get CJ ORRR......sadly pass up CJ and get another player to help our defense *yawn*
 
so the way the deal is slated we move down to the 10th pick...maybe still able to pick up laron landry...maybe not

we give up not only this years 2nd rounder but next years...and we have to work a deal out with matt schaub...a left handed QB which means now our LT position becomes our RT position...does the franchise think that much of eric winston...i do...but i wasn't sure they did

matt schaub has good size at 6'5'' and 237lbs...but a 52.2% comp. is that good and his 6 to 6 TD to INT ration isn't either...however his comp. % has gone up every year...career QB rating of 69.2

just to compare some of the stats:

carr comp % = 60/ td to int ratio = 59 to 65/ career QB rating = 75.5
schaub comp % = 52.2/ td to int ratio = 6 to 6/career QB rating = 69.2

the move shocks me since i didn't think rick smith and kubiak were ok with giving up picks but they not only give up one pick but two

not sure if i like the trade or hate it...leaning towards hating it


Sample size for Schaub isn't a very good stat to compare against a starter..
 
I'm alright with the move.

:bigboss:
starting to see why ppl around the nation think our fan base is crap... you guys are so wishy washy!
 
610 Am on the Jim Rome Show reports:

The deal would send Schaub to Houston for an exchange of picks in RD1 and our 2nd RD pick.

Also i was mentioned a deal with Oakland to get us yet another pick in the 1st. Rome said that would be a great deal. Seeing Carr has not lived up to top billing. Further, we would loose a 2nd RD pick but get another 1st. However, not one word on HOW they planned to get that extra 1st.

I don't want to rain on this, as the guy looks great when he has played. But, if we do it, and don't get back another 1st. Is it really worth it?

No, Carr isn't great by any stretch, but to trade all that for Schaub that Kubes can mold...and not get back a pick. Seems alittle much to me.

Now, IF we can trade whatever(I think Carr) to Oakland, and move back into the 1st or even get a 2nd back...PULL THE TRIGGER.

yeah, oakland still owes us that 2nd rounder they jacked from us for Pburnt.

but, since Rick Smith keeps saying its all about more picks, expect to see something go down to get some of those picks back. keep the faith.
 
An upgrade at QB results in less wins. Gotcha.

Depends on what your definition of an upgrade is, I guess. On one hand you have a guy who has started two games and lost both of them, and has been a quality backup for the entirety of his pro career. On the other, you have a guy who has started for five years with a team. Gotcha.

Don't get me wrong, though. I like Schaub. I have always talked good about him and I am happy to see him coming to town now. That said, I am not going to jump off the boat and say things that I have no proof of.

Some people say that we have kept Carr here on speculation and potential. Well what do you call this Schaub acquisition??

Carr haters be damned.
 
the move shocks me since i didn't think rick smith and kubiak were ok with giving up picks but they not only give up one pick but two
That's what you get for buying into John McClain and his assurances that we were not going to trade picks.
 
I don't like the deal as it's being reported. Swapping first round picks, then sending a 2007 2nd round pick as well as a 2008 2nd round pick. That seems like too much for an unproven player. If true, once we acquire him Carr's value is even less than it was before. Teams will know that we're going to have to either deal Carr or release him. We lose almost all leverage in any trade scenario. Since nothing is official I'll sit back & watch how things play out.
 
Where are the Carr haters? You finally got what you wanted.We pass on Vince for Car.Now, We are giving up on Carr and going after Matty.How did it come to this?:confused:

I'm still wondering why wanting a new QB makes me a hater, what it has to do with VY right now and why getting a top FA QB is bad?
 
I watched Schaub play against Philly. Vick was stinking it up and got pulled for a series because he he broke a nail or something. The Eagles had his number and were shutting him down.

Enter Matt Schaub....the ball starts moving down the field....first downs are getting made...and it turned out that their "crappy" receivers could actually catch the ball.

The next series...Vick comes back in and gets shut down again.

From what I've seen, he's a damn good QB. It's pretty obvious that the people that are down on him haven't seen him play.
 
If the deal falls through I've been saying this for weeks. Depends on this deal. But I think the whole retirement was based on not coming here and we didn't want to give up a 4th for him.

Yeah, Kubiak went against his tendency THIS TIME by passing on Plummer.

Plummer was a "stop gap" QB for the Broncos, in a time when they needed a gritty player to salvage their team's QB woes.

He peeked and has now settled back down into the level of journeyman QB that he is going to stay at. Tampa picked him up as insurance if Garcia is hurt, and they can trade him if he decides to stop being a Nancy and can get his act together.

U4ikrob is setting himself up for disappointment if he logs onto the internet each day just "knowing" that he'll see his "Plummer To Houston!" headline that he's predicting.

This was a mega deal. Perhaps the biggest deal of the offseason for ANY team thus far. This will have ESPN, NFLN, FOXsports, and every other media outlet clammoring with buzz and topical stories for about two weeks or so.

If any of you are ready to see the Texans get primetime mention, then saddle up and hit "record" on every sports show from now until about this time next week.
 
First of all, anyone who thinks there's a chance at Calvin Johnson at pick 8 is a complete *****. I'll never post on this message board again if that happens.

Second, fans from another team like a trade where they acquire a couple of draft picks for a guy who isn't playing for them? No... no way. That wouldn't compromise their objectivity at all.
 
Great job, Rick.

Now if we can just ask people to be respectful of the Carr family I'd be even happier. They are headed into a new chapter in their lives, and they handled their tenure here pretty well when you consider what David had to go through and what we had to go through. It'd be nice if people would remain civil about this whole thing.

I don't see anyone taking shots at Carr since this trade became official. If anything, we are coming to the defense of Schaub and to a lesser extent the deal itself from all the Carr homers and naysayers.

No one wants Carr to fail. No one wants ill to come up him. I wish him the best as long its not in the AFC. If he does indeed get moved to the Raiders, I hope he sucks it up. Not because he is Carr but because he is in AFC and thus 'the competition'. It isnt about the players in the NFL, its all about the team or 'program'.

I wish Carr and his family the best off the field unequivocally. On the field, it depends if he goes NFC or AFC. easy as that.
 
HOly crapola. It took me 25 minutes to read all the posts and catch up with everything. Had "Server Busy" about 10 times because the board's getting flooded.

Talk about exciting! I knew this day was coming. I was out in front, with some others, hoping that we would get Schaub.

I had taken verbal "beat downs" from several people saying that I have no proof that Schaub is the QB I think he is.

I'm in the same boat as Porky on this: I have watched Schaub play, albeit in the preseason, but I can say that he looked commanding in all phases of the game--He has the zip that Carr has (I don't buy the "He doesn't have a big league arm" stuff), he actually goes through his progressions very naturally and seems to know where the open man will be, and his mechanics are a lot better than Carr's.

To get an NFL-ready QB via swapping TWO spots in the first round, keeping us at a Top 10 draft pick status, and then losing a 2nd rounder is not bad. We were going to draft Kolb or Stanton and those guys would be gone by round 3...so we would have spent a 2nd round pick on a college QB who would need the 2-3 years that Schaub has already served in order to learn the ropes.

We will trade Carr and get some sort of pick for him. Even if it's a 4th rounder...that's still a "pick," and remember that we picked up Charles Spencer in the 3rd--I think this FO can now draft in rounds 1-5 and deserve our confidence based on last year's successes.

This was the SMART deal. Garcia had a fluke season. Plummer is on the downhill side of his career and only cares about himself to the point of sulking and "reitiring" because he didn't get to go where he wanted--That's a guy that you don't want leading your huddle, OK? Ramsey is the love child of Jay Fiedler and Heath Schuler.

Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has waited for his turn to start. Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has had to wait patiently behind overrated starters that stood on their paths to starterdom.

This gets the monkey (Carr and his baggage) off the Texans' back, and it gives the team a new identity and a fresh start. There was no way AJ was going to be a happy camper going into camp with DC at the controls. Ditto for Dunta. Ditto for the other guys who have been patient for the past 3 seasons or so. It was imperative that we moved DC and then to also acquire an NFL-ready QB to go into camp with.

Atlanta, IIRC, transitioned to a WCO and asked Vick to become the pocket passer. He did well for a few games, then he had to go "highlight reel" about midway through the season. Schaub; therefore, is already a little accustomed to the WCO. He showed, to me, that he can sit in the pocket and make fairly good "reads" and go through progressions with efficiency and effectiveness.

We don't have a lot of "real" NFL games to go by when it comes to judging Schaub. What we DO have to go on is this: We passed on Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey when that whole circus began a few weeks ago--Our FO was patient, dropping out of the "arms race" as quickly as we had entered it. I speculated that we were dropping out because we wanted Schaub, and I speculated that we hadn't heard anything because the FO was in hyper-secretive and ultra-stealth mode trying to get the details worked out. I predicted a 3-way trade between Houston-Oakland-Tampa Bay whereby Carr would go to Oakland. I was off by one team (Tampa Bay)...and it appears that Atlanta and Oakland MIGHT be in the mix for Moss/Carr. That remains to be seen, though.

All I know is this: The price is definitely "right" to me, and if we can get Leach-Green-Dayne on the field this season, with Schaub at QB and AJ-Walter-Daniels-Mathis catching the ball, then we ought to be very excited about our offseason because we haven't even drafted with our Top 10 pick yet! We can grab a fairly good RB or WR or OT or DB and come out smelling pretty fancy for a change.

The FO just got ballsy, folks. I railed against the non-ballsiness of this FO, and now they have come through!

Great job, Rick.

Now if we can just ask people to be respectful of the Carr family I'd be even happier. They are headed into a new chapter in their lives, and they handled their tenure here pretty well when you consider what David had to go through and what we had to go through. It'd be nice if people would remain civil about this whole thing.


Great post....one of the best I've read all day!
 
Ah yes....the C & C years......OVER, BABY!

Oh, and this Vick guy.....has done WHAT? After years of ESPN and other talking heads kissin' his fanny......whatever.......

:yahoo:
 
First of all, anyone who thinks there's a chance at Calvin Johnson at pick 8 is a complete *****. I'll never post on this message board again if that happens.

Second, fans from another team like a trade where they acquire a couple of draft picks for a guy who isn't playing for them? No... no way. That wouldn't compromise their objectivity at all.

I doubt if intends to mean they can get C.J. at 8, but now they have the extra picks a team would need to be able to move up to be in a spot to get him.:lightbulb:
 
the guy was basically quitting as a Texans fan over a trade. he can go fly a kite for all I care....today is a day for optimism not pessimism or personal agendas

It is not only this trade that frustrates me. It is a series of bad moves:
the expansion draft - Not Picking Roaf, Picking Boselli
the first draft - picking Gaffney and Pitts over Portis
Trading for P Buchanon and releasing him
Trading up for Babin
Picking Joppru in the 2nd
Cutting Sharper and Glenn (Vets and Leaders)
Picking travis johnson over Jamal Brown and Derrick Johnson
Making Carr a scape goat
Signing Robaire Smith and the other RT to big dollars only to release them
Then last year with Vince and Reggie Bush
And now this trade

In fact, I will turn optimistic. The Texans have made these good moves:

Drafting Dom Davis* Bad Luck
Drafting AJ
Drafting Robinson
Drafting Ryans
Drafting Spencer* Bad luck

This is a short list. I hope they turn it around. But they wont with these types of deals.
 
Lame

I have the upmost respect for any athlete, but a QB that throws only 1 TD pass over his last 10 game........wait for it, here it comes.........can be replaced.

P.S.

The most brutal and most endurance demanding sports are

Boxing and.....

wait for it

wait for it

Swimming.......yeah I said it


I have the upmost respect for competitive swimmers and I'm sure we have a couple on this board

For a second there I thought you were going to say..."wait for it, here it comes"...ballet :)

So what next...you want to extoll the rigorous demands of the 100 meter butterfly stroke? Is there a poster of Michael Phelps on your wall?

I guess we can go back to the thread since everyone here knows now you are...wait for it, wait for it...Mr. (Almost) Olympian....:)
 
great pick up texans.... I always tought Matt was going to take over for vick i guess he took over for another 1st rounder :) :yahoo:
 
No one wants Carr to fail. No one wants ill to come up him. I wish him the best as long its not in the AFC. If he does indeed get moved to the Raiders, I hope he sucks it up. Not because he is Carr but because he is in AFC and thus 'the competition'. It isnt about the players in the NFL, its all about the team or 'program'.

I wish Carr and his family the best off the field unequivocally. On the field, it depends if he goes NFC or AFC. easy as that.
that's what i dont get. if you want him gone so bad, why would it matter if he went to the AFC or NFC? are you afraid he is going to come back and haunt us or something?
 
Matthew Rutledge Schaub (pronounced sch-aob) (born June 25, 1981 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) is an American football quarterback who is currently a quarterback for the Houston Texans. He played quarterback at West Chester East High School, and he went on to attend The University of Virginia where he owns virtually every school passing record.

Schaub was drafted by the Falcons with the 90th overall choice in the third round of the 2004 NFL draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Schaub
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Check this out. Its already in Wikipedia !

Now, that's just ridiculous.
 
that's what i dont get. if you want him gone so bad, why would it matter if he went to the AFC or NFC? are you afraid he is going to come back and haunt us or something?
You don't like it when he says something you don't agree with and now you don't like it when he says something kind....give it a rest.
 
Yeah, Kubiak went against his tendency THIS TIME by passing on Plummer.

Plummer was a "stop gap" QB for the Broncos, in a time when they needed a gritty player to salvage their team's QB woes.

He peeked and has now settled back down into the level of journeyman QB that he is going to stay at. Tampa picked him up as insurance if Garcia is hurt, and they can trade him if he decides to stop being a Nancy and can get his act together.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you log onto the internet each day just "knowing" that you'll see your "Plummer To Houston!" headline that you're predicting.

This was a mega deal. Perhaps the biggest deal of the offseason for ANY team thus far. This will have ESPN, NFLN, FOXsports, and every other media outlet clammoring with buzz and topical stories for about two weeks or so.

If any of you are ready to see the Texans get primetime mention, then saddle up and hit "record" on every sports show from now until about this time next week.

Let me explain myself. I never said I wanted Plummer here or he was the man. I explained that the Texans didn't want to give up a 4th. I had heard Plummer really wanted to play under Kubes again. TB has a dearth of QBs. Plummer is disappointed and retires. So my conclusion was that if we didn't bring in anyone else and the coaching staff still wanted a vet, they would get a pick acquired through the draft, and use it to acquire his rights. I'm in no way saying I want it happening. Just that if we were stuck, I thought we might go that way. I'm much happier with this.
 
Great move. Mobile enough to run the system. Good enough to get people excited and move on. AP is out of the picture now.
 
You don't like it when he says something you don't agree with and now you don't like it when he says something kind....give it a rest.
that's not what i am trying to say. i just dont understand why it would matter or not where he went if your opinion is if you want him gone anyway.
 
It wouldn't surprise me at all to think that Kubiak and Smith were familiar with Schaub out of college when with the Broncos. I am sure at some point they were evaluating QB talent to groom behind Plummer. I bet that Rick Smith in Denver last year was involved in evaluating talent in backup roles before the team decided on Cutler.

I don't think they make such a drastic move with two picks and a flop on a guy they aren't familiar with.
 
i am sorry. I forgot that you live in El Paso, let me explain. see there is this thing called a radio. it runs on this thing that we like to call electricity. It's kinda like the wheel or fire but a little more advanced......oh never mind....

You seem to like cracking jokes about El Paso having no electricity...
You realize this doesn't make you look like the intelligent person in that conversation, right?

For instance, the guy you're trying to insult with the whole electricity thing? Well, I hate to break it to you, but he is communicationg with you from El Paso via Internet...
You see where I'm going with this???

. <<< connect that one ----- with that one >>> .

Yes, the Internet requires electricity! You get a gold star.
 
See i agree with you but i still dont feel someone even if playing behind vick is worth two 2nd round picks and a swap of our first. hes a backup for crying out loud, but i will give him a chance just feel bad for the guy cause my expectations for him are going to be very high, haha.

All you have to do is expect him to play better than Carr did.

That's not very high expectation-wise.
 
Personally, I think we are giving up too much for this guy.For a Carr hater, this news should make you very happy and all I am seeing is negative comments.Speak up!

Again, I've got all the respect in the world for Carr as a person. I didn't think he got the job done as the QB here. I never "hated" him. You do understand that you can show football savvy and intelligence without being so black and white. I've said all along that it would be a win/win if he went somewhere else. I'm amazed that there are people out there that are so oblivious that what is going on around them concerning how people feel on this issue.
 
Ok, let's look at the deal from both sides. Atlanta moves up from 10 to 8, giving them a shot at Landry (best defensive player in the draft) and possibly even AP (if the Browns pass on him). They get our second round this year which they can use to get a WR like Davis etc... and they get our 2nd next year. Texans get the Atlanta backup QB.

I am one of the biggest homers, drink the koolaid guys on this MB but honestly, which side of this deal would anyone rather have?

Like someone said, if we liked the kid this much, in 12 months you could have add him for just dollars not picks. And, oh btw, so much Smith for we don't want to give up picks, we want more picks.

This better have another shoe to drop pay off (Oakland etc...) to it that we can't see yet or this is much worse than the P-Buc deal.
 
I am so glad that McNair has finally hired the right personnel and the right coach to turn this team around.

I know Schaub is still and will be a work in progress, but Kubiak is the man for the job to groom him into the future of the Texans.

Thank goodness we don't have to deal anymore w/ Carr and this team can move on from being labeled an expansion team by the NFL.

:yahoo: :snobord: :superman:
 
I don't see anyone taking shots at Carr since this trade became official. If anything, we are coming to the defense of Schaub and to a lesser extent the deal itself from all the Carr homers and naysayers.

No one wants Carr to fail. No one wants ill to come up him. I wish him the best as long its not in the AFC. If he does indeed get moved to the Raiders, I hope he sucks it up. Not because he is Carr but because he is in AFC and thus 'the competition'. It isnt about the players in the NFL, its all about the team or 'program'.

I wish Carr and his family the best off the field unequivocally. On the field, it depends if he goes NFC or AFC. easy as that.

I've read ALL the posts in this thread, and you are not the one I am speaking of. In fact, I am not referring to anyone at this moment.

It was a preemptive strike against some here, probably the ones who haven't been on the boards as long as we have, who might get amped up on adrenaline and think they can kick a guy (DC) on his way out.

I personally desire to see my fellow Texans give David Carr and his family a good "sending off."

I am excited about this transition. Schaub's the guy I wanted, so I am definitely excited and stoked. I just hope a lot of people here do not lose their cool and make sniping rermarks on DC's exit from our team.

He is a "class guy," which about 99% of us here have always stated. Just hoping we all treat him the same class on his way out. So far, so good. And I'm not the board "police" or anything...it's just what I hope for.
 
For a second there I thought you were going to say..."wait for it, here it comes"...ballet :)

So what next...you want to extoll the rigorous demands of the 100 meter butterfly stroke? Is there a poster of Michael Phelps on your wall?

I guess we can go back to the thread since everyone here knows now you are...wait for it, wait for it...Mr. (Almost) Olympian....:)


Wow how long did it take for you to come up with this pathetic comeback? ballet.......give me a break.

You said I couldn't go from my chair to the fridge without breaking a swet.......I proved overwise. Now you are looking stupid, because your hero Mr. Carr didn't cut it in the NFL.

P.S.
I might be Mr. (almost) Olympian (because of one guy's jaw that broke my hand), but your Mr. (never did crap)......
 
Ok, let's look at the deal from both sides. Atlanta moves up from 10 to 8, giving them a shot at Landry (best defensive player in the draft) and possibly even AP (if the Browns pass on him). They get our second round this year which they can use to get a WR like Davis etc... and they get our 2nd next year. Texans get the Atlanta backup QB.

I am one of the biggest homers, drink the koolaid guys on this MB but honestly, which side of this deal would anyone rather have?
I'd rather be the team with two good QB's than the team with no real viable starter at QB and a draft bust hitting the cap at 9 mil a year. That said, I welcome the deal because we have just put an end to our QB situation. Time to move Carr and move on.
 
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