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Texans Close the Deal for Schaub: confirmed by NFLNetwork
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Dunta_23
Rookie
2007 2nd round pick
2008 2nd round pick
swap of first rounders in 2007
Texans move from #8 to #10
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
HEY VINNY IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR THE NEW NAME...........(damn I'm still thinking)
Stump the Schaub
Starting for the first five games is still a starter, he WAS the incumbent starter, it wasn't like he was an unknown backup QB that the Chiefs got from the Rams.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
Señor Stan;633380 said:
Nice info, but I don't like giving up two 2nds...a 3rd or 4th next year and I'd feel a lot better.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Señor Stan;633412 said:Typical Schaub homer rhetoric.
Schaub homer...now i have a sig
to be honest, the more i think about the deal the more i get this nauseating feel...it looks like it is 2!! 2nd rounders...that is pretty damn expensive imho
it sucks that carr isnt as highly regarded as Schaub
well ESPN hot list about to go off on the trade
afcman
Waterboy
I'm happy. How's this..... keep Carr as our backup? Just a thought. He'll most likely be a backup no matter where he goes.
Do you think we draft a QB next year?
Man, it feels good to finally see some action that's positive. Too bad the season doesn't start next week. I'm READY!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think we draft a QB next year?
Man, it feels good to finally see some action that's positive. Too bad the season doesn't start next week. I'm READY!!!!!!!!!!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Sage is his back up and wont cost 9 mil a year...we can put that money to get some other players next year.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
ESPN's graphic says 1 2nd round but the talking head just said 2 2nd rounders.
im pretty much given up that it was a very expensive deal for the Texans...i hope it works out for all of us
im pretty much given up that it was a very expensive deal for the Texans...i hope it works out for all of us
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Actually he was the back-up in Washington and got traded to Stl but he got hurt and Kurt took over and that is when he was traded to KC. He was not a starter for a full complete season.
C
Ckw
Guest
Ok that's not so bad. I was under the impression the Falcons drafted late. Looks like we could still get Landry!!! Or at least Levi Brown...
How are you all so Giddy about this.
Yea Carr is gone but we dropped two spots in the draft which probably is no big deal but then we give up our second round picks in this year and next year draft for a QB who is at best nothing more than another sub for most teams.
Sorry I just don't see where this is such a good deal.
Crap just keep the picks and take a QB in the Second round to work on and build.
B
Yea Carr is gone but we dropped two spots in the draft which probably is no big deal but then we give up our second round picks in this year and next year draft for a QB who is at best nothing more than another sub for most teams.
Sorry I just don't see where this is such a good deal.
Crap just keep the picks and take a QB in the Second round to work on and build.
B
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
hmm..it amounts to a late 1st round pick which is ok in my book for a young, highly regarded qb
schaub hasnt proven anything?? well hes proven more than quinn and russell.. yeah we take a hit at #39 but it will be more than worth it if schaub works out as hoped
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
Atlanta Paper reports Schaub deal contingent to contract restructure...
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...2007/03/21/0322falcons.html?cxntnid=bn032107e
Falcons near deal to trade Schaub
Backup QB would go to Texans, contingent on new contract
By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/21/07
In potentially the biggest move of the Falcons' offseason, backup quarterback Matt Schaub could be traded to the Houston Texans for two second-round picks and an exchange in first-round draft placement this season, according to an NFL official with knowledge of the situation.
Houston and Atlanta were in deep discussions about a trade Wednesday afternoon, but a deal could not be finalized until Schaub, a restricted free agent, reaches a new contract with Houston.
Should the deal go through, as is expected, the Falcons would move up two notches to No. 8 in this April's NFL draft and receive Houston's second-round draft pick in each of the next two seasons. That would give Atlanta three of the top 45 selections in this season's draft to address several key areas.
The Texans would move back two spaces in the draft to No. 10.
A trade of Schaub also would free up $2.3 million in salary-cap space, which was occupied by the one-year free-agent tender the Falcons extended Schaub to retain his rights, even though his contract had expired.
"Matt is a restricted free agent and he is entitled to visit any team and do what he may want to do," Falcons president and general manager Rich McKay responded to a question from the AJC on a national conference call with NFL media, that was intended to discuss the agenda for next week's NFL owners meetings in Phoenix. "We've talked to a number of teams who have interest in Matt. Beyond that, that's about all I'm going to say."
Joby Branion, who represents Schaub, could not be reached for comment.
Having so many high selections could enable Atlanta to put together trade deals to move up in the draft or slide down and acquire even more selections. However, with needs at nearly spot on defense, running back and the offensive line, the Falcons could very well stick with their current allotment, especially since they pick in the top half of all seven rounds.
Schaub, a third-round pick in 2004, started just two games in his three seasons with the Falcons, losing both. However, his performances in relief of starter Michael Vick and showings in preseason made Schaub a coveted player over the past two seasons. The Falcons rebuffed trade inquiries about Schaub last season, with team owner Arthur Blank making it clear that he wanted an adequate backup should Vick go down with an injury.
The change in thinking about retaining Schaub stemmed from him becoming an unrestricted free agent after the upcoming season and signing with another team without the Falcons' receiving compensation.
If Schaub is dealt, second-year Georgia product D.J. Shockley would move into the role as Vick's backup, although the Falcons likely would acquire a veteran backup with game experience who could step in and play should the new coaching staff, led by Bobby Petrino, not feel secure with Shockley.
Ironically, Houston quarterback David Carr could soon be on the open market, since the acquisition of Schaub seemingly ends his tenure there after being the expansion franchise's first overall pick in 2002. Other free agent quarterbacks with extended NFL experience include Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, Jay Fiedler, Joey Harrington and Anthony Wright.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...2007/03/21/0322falcons.html?cxntnid=bn032107e
Falcons near deal to trade Schaub
Backup QB would go to Texans, contingent on new contract
By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/21/07
In potentially the biggest move of the Falcons' offseason, backup quarterback Matt Schaub could be traded to the Houston Texans for two second-round picks and an exchange in first-round draft placement this season, according to an NFL official with knowledge of the situation.
Houston and Atlanta were in deep discussions about a trade Wednesday afternoon, but a deal could not be finalized until Schaub, a restricted free agent, reaches a new contract with Houston.
Should the deal go through, as is expected, the Falcons would move up two notches to No. 8 in this April's NFL draft and receive Houston's second-round draft pick in each of the next two seasons. That would give Atlanta three of the top 45 selections in this season's draft to address several key areas.
The Texans would move back two spaces in the draft to No. 10.
A trade of Schaub also would free up $2.3 million in salary-cap space, which was occupied by the one-year free-agent tender the Falcons extended Schaub to retain his rights, even though his contract had expired.
"Matt is a restricted free agent and he is entitled to visit any team and do what he may want to do," Falcons president and general manager Rich McKay responded to a question from the AJC on a national conference call with NFL media, that was intended to discuss the agenda for next week's NFL owners meetings in Phoenix. "We've talked to a number of teams who have interest in Matt. Beyond that, that's about all I'm going to say."
Joby Branion, who represents Schaub, could not be reached for comment.
Having so many high selections could enable Atlanta to put together trade deals to move up in the draft or slide down and acquire even more selections. However, with needs at nearly spot on defense, running back and the offensive line, the Falcons could very well stick with their current allotment, especially since they pick in the top half of all seven rounds.
Schaub, a third-round pick in 2004, started just two games in his three seasons with the Falcons, losing both. However, his performances in relief of starter Michael Vick and showings in preseason made Schaub a coveted player over the past two seasons. The Falcons rebuffed trade inquiries about Schaub last season, with team owner Arthur Blank making it clear that he wanted an adequate backup should Vick go down with an injury.
The change in thinking about retaining Schaub stemmed from him becoming an unrestricted free agent after the upcoming season and signing with another team without the Falcons' receiving compensation.
If Schaub is dealt, second-year Georgia product D.J. Shockley would move into the role as Vick's backup, although the Falcons likely would acquire a veteran backup with game experience who could step in and play should the new coaching staff, led by Bobby Petrino, not feel secure with Shockley.
Ironically, Houston quarterback David Carr could soon be on the open market, since the acquisition of Schaub seemingly ends his tenure there after being the expansion franchise's first overall pick in 2002. Other free agent quarterbacks with extended NFL experience include Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, Jay Fiedler, Joey Harrington and Anthony Wright.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Señor Stan;633380 said:
Bingo! I can't believe that we gave that much up for him...way too much IMO.
Dunta_23
Rookie
If he is SO highly regarded...how come he hadnt been traded yet?
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
Way too expensive for a backup...will not happen...carr is packing his locker as we speak.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I don't know what you people are talking about. This is an excllent deal. We get an up and coming starting QB far superior to any we had on the roster, and all we give up is 2 2nd rounders and swap 2 spots in the 1st rd? Are you kidding me? Good QB's don't just grow on trees.
The way I see it, we were going to pick a QB in either rd 1, 2 or 3. Let's say we had drafted a rookie in rd 2. Instead we just drafted a young more proven and seasoned vet in rd 2. In return, we get some kind of compensation for Carr, so we need to see there. Also, we can always try to trade down and recoup one or both 2nd rounders. But, even if Carr is cut, and we stay at #10, this is an excellent deal.
The comments of some about how Schaub's numbers aren't good proves the old adage that liars figure and figures lie. I have seen Schaub play. Apparently, you guys have not. The guy can play rings around Carr. You guys can have Carr and his high competion percentage. Give me Schaub and his so called bad numbers any day. I never thought it was possible because I thought we had to surrender a 1st and 3rd. Great deal, and the greatest day in Texans history to this point.
Well you just put the clubs fortunes for the next three years on that..."assement". Fifty percent is fifty percent...no matter which liar posts them. 5.0 forty is still a 5.0 forty...the guy is not running away from anyone. And he isn't Farve....You'll notice in the Atalanta papers report...they are printing the largest deal in "Atlanta's" franchise history ...not the Texan's. They've put all off there eggs into this basket we'll see. I'm just wondering now Porky how long you're support for Schaub will last ? Will he get two full seasons from you even if the rubber on the road doesn't meat with your "assement ? Inquiring minds want to know.
TwinSisters
Veteran
YAHOOOOO!OOOOO!OO!O!OO!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!
time to call up the fellas for a barbcue in the rain!!!
time to call up the fellas for a barbcue in the rain!!!
We are to presume that you are any semblance of an athlete that can at least run 10 yards without being out of breath? That's probably longer then the typical distance of a typical fridge from a typical couch...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Mark (Porky) is more of a Texans fan than a fan of Carr...unlike many of the Carr homers it seems.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
because the price is so high. which it was.
AGGIEZ
Practice Squad
I was pissed after originally hearing about this 30 minutes ago. Now I'm fine with it for several reasons:
1. This means we won't be grafting Brady Carr...er....Quinn.
2. This most likely puts us in a better spot to take Landry or Nelson instead of "reaching" at #8
3. Carr will certainly be gone soon and we will get something in return even if it's a 4th rounder (crossing fingers)
4. This proves that our front office is actually at work and not on the back nine somewhere.
I would be happier with this year's 2nd and next year's 3rd, but I can live with the deal as is for the reasons above.
1. This means we won't be grafting Brady Carr...er....Quinn.
2. This most likely puts us in a better spot to take Landry or Nelson instead of "reaching" at #8
3. Carr will certainly be gone soon and we will get something in return even if it's a 4th rounder (crossing fingers)
4. This proves that our front office is actually at work and not on the back nine somewhere.
I would be happier with this year's 2nd and next year's 3rd, but I can live with the deal as is for the reasons above.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
We all know this much....one year later he ran away from Carr as fast as he could. If you couldn't figure out Carr wasn't that good and dissapointed Kubiak, this ought to be a big fat clue. Besides, Kubiak will never admit it but backing Carr was a way to get his hometown job. McNair and Casserly are to blame for re-upping Carr last year. I don't blame Kubiak for telling them what they want to hear till he got in and got busy.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
This is the first year he has been eligible....he was traded within 30 days of his first elibility to visit FA.
He wasn't a starter for the full season because he got hurt!...or was he about get benched right before he got hurt? Nope, he was going to be the starter for that year, c'mon people, use logic here. Yeah I know Kurt went on to have a great year and Trent had to sit, but I think we can assume safely that if Trent never got hurt he would have started the rest of that year. I don't remember him playing bad during his 5 starts.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
agree 100%
R
real
Guest
Everything in life that is good requires some pain, hard work, and risks...
TexanAddict
Texan 'til I Die
Swap of 1st in 07, 2nd in 07, and 2nd in 08. This feels a bit pricey to me. I hope we are able to recoup at least some of what we lost by trading Carr and possibly moving back a little farther in the 1st. We would still be able to get one of the top CBs or possibly Nelson.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Agreed
Also, why are people freaking about this deal? We are a team that has never seen the bright side of .500. This starts us in a new direction. Your hope is that the 2nd rounder next year won't be a problem because you are winning and turning the corner.
From what I read Schaub fits the system, has the skill to succeed here and he is farther ahead and young enough to be better than what we could have drafted.
To me we can still pick up picks moving down so it will definitely be an exciting draft day to see how we can improve. If this goes down I'm looking forward to a new look backfield.....I'm also ready to have people say, should he succeed, that he has better people around him than Carr. It will always be about what people didn't do for him.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
oh so true.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
considering I almost got a spot on the boxing olympic team......yeah I can run at least 10 yards without running out of breath.........just came up one 7/11 gas station fight and a broken hand short.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
what about the candidate that was homering so hard for the job that he said 'he WOULDNT take the job if Vince was drafted'. lawl..lawl...thank God it looks like McNair is getting out of the way....Every candidate and his agent knew that showing the willingness to work with McNair's poolboy errr QB.
utahmark
markbeth
maybe... but im more of the believe that he saw carr's physical talent and thought he would be able to fix his mental flaws(to do that you need more than a year). but im through with carr now as is this team and now im a schaub homer. watch out once you start critizing him cause im gonna be after you just like with carr.
R
real
Guest
I think it was a combination of that + building Carr's confidence by showing he had total trust in him to get it done...
IMO, this doesn't reflect on Kubiak as much as it does on McNair
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
TheManTheMyth
Practice Squad
So they are trading pick 8, trading second rd picks this yr and next??? for pick 10 and schaub? isn't that a bit much. We could move up and get peterson or russel for that (if carr is going to oakland)
Those "other considers" in addition to this years 2 rounder did get pricey,
didn't they. But its a gamble, and worth it if he's even a capable starter.
After that, what's the upside ? And the downside ? You pays your money, and you takes your chances.
BTW, so much for Rick Smith claiming he wants to increase Drafts pick rather
than trade them away.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Or a Vince Young fan than some.... It's a bad deal. It's a panic move by a staff in a corner. Hope it works out there Vinny. I stand by everything I've posted. We'll see how long this euphiria last there Vinny. I'm not happy about another five year plan, that's for sure. There's only so many restarts in the bag before we reach Tampa Bay Status. I would of been better if they held their water. Atlanta just got rich with a way out from under Vick. We got hosed from my prespective. Maybe that makes me less of a fan ?
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
You are getting a player with 3 years of league experience instead of gambling on a rookie QB.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Well, seeing how I fully supported Carr going into his 4th full year, and didn't completely abondon support for him until the Tenn game last yr, how about I give Schaub 5 years too. That should be fine with all the Carr homers. Try looking at my post history. Try looking at all my PM's with Vinny and others, along with phone conversations where we argued about Carr, and about how I wanted him to have another chance with Kubes. You can try and fit me into your nice little box, but it won't work.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You aren't less of a fan...but you aren't too insightful perhaps...but I will say you are consistant, so you have that going for you.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
They can still gain picks by trading back and getting something for Carr. So his statements could still be true.