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How much abuse should David have to take?
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
No wonder both dictionary.com and urbandictionary.com failed me.
I hate dictionary nazis. Dern, Godwin again!
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Let me make something perfectly clear. I don't think that changing the QB is going to make that much difference next season. I don't think that QB is the biggest problem on our team. I do believe that it would make more sense to continue to build our lines and our secondary at the expense of improving QB play.
Yes I think we need another QB. No I don't care why we have arrived at that state of affairs. Having said that I'd be perfectly willing to watch David Carr try to get better next year if it meant that our offensive line would improve or our secondary could shut somebody down.
What I don't want to do is read anymore David Carr threads. I'm sick of it and it's impossible not to notice that his tenure here has reached a critical point. Once the public starts to turn on you then it's just a matter of time.
That happened to David Carr over a year ago but in the interest of not throwing away a player who might possibly be salvaged the Texans chose to try and fix what wasn't working. Fine, we did that. It's time to move on now because honestly, if people thought 2005 was pitiful and 2006 got ugly they have no idea how messed up this place is going to get once David drops a fat smelly one in 2007.
It's going to make previous years of futility pale in comparison. It's going to get rude on a whole new level. Literally if this guy sticks around for two more years and continues to play at the level he seems to have plataued at then there won't be a Texans message board anymore. They'll shut this thing down because it will be impossible to shut off the tirade coming from their fans.
Yes I think we need another QB. No I don't care why we have arrived at that state of affairs. Having said that I'd be perfectly willing to watch David Carr try to get better next year if it meant that our offensive line would improve or our secondary could shut somebody down.
What I don't want to do is read anymore David Carr threads. I'm sick of it and it's impossible not to notice that his tenure here has reached a critical point. Once the public starts to turn on you then it's just a matter of time.
That happened to David Carr over a year ago but in the interest of not throwing away a player who might possibly be salvaged the Texans chose to try and fix what wasn't working. Fine, we did that. It's time to move on now because honestly, if people thought 2005 was pitiful and 2006 got ugly they have no idea how messed up this place is going to get once David drops a fat smelly one in 2007.
It's going to make previous years of futility pale in comparison. It's going to get rude on a whole new level. Literally if this guy sticks around for two more years and continues to play at the level he seems to have plataued at then there won't be a Texans message board anymore. They'll shut this thing down because it will be impossible to shut off the tirade coming from their fans.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I agree and disagree with ya now. I agree that next year may not be a playoff type year, etc but overall I'd be unhappy to watch Carr here. It isn't the man, it is the man on the team. At some point the air has to be cleared and right now it is polluted. I'd love to have a year without these posts and questions. It takes away from the TEAM. In order for that to happen the team and Carr need to part ways. It is the ONLY way. He can prove himself elsewhere and the Texans can move on. Right now you have every level of the organization answering questions and doubting the guy. Kubiak was brought here to fix him and obviously he doesn't see enough or he wouldn't be out there as trade bait. As I said earlier today, it is beyong comprehension to me why a fan base would want this guy here. No matter what side you stand on, you should want him gone.
If you are a Carr fan you should see that his teammates are turning, the fans aren't giving him props and that he would have a better chance elsewhere. I think the excuses are b.s. but I'm looking at this objectively. I'd think this crowd would want him away from this and able to show the ability you think he has elsewhere without this scrutiny.
As a person who isn't a fan, you see the the same things as above and think his play over a 5 year span hasn't lived up to hype. He fumbles balls, stares down receivers, takes unnecessary sacks and can't throw a ball away. He hasn't grown into a leader and overall has caused a cloud over the team.
Either way I don't get why it is so bad to have a winner/winner deal and move on without this type of constant drama.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
We saw last years performance at zero improvement. Realized that Carr cannot be successful in Houston and is best for both parties that we part ways.
Tired of losing and being the laughing stock of the league.
All Carr's fault? No. Carr does deserve a big ol slice of the poo pie though.
How do you turn the ball over 4 times in one half against your divisional rival who not only drafted your hometown hero, but was also the former franchise that broke thousands of peoples hearts?
second h I.'m with you on the 15,000 grand.
stampede I guess this makes me a passionate fan
stampede I guess this makes me a passionate fan
I'm sorry could you please repeat that you had your pants over your head.
I agree DC has taken his fair share of (physical) abuse behind the line he was given and I think the FO has screwed him over by not providing him a line to protect him.....however.....both the team and the player (DC) need a new place to start...And I like David....but he's not what's best for THIS team
Me.
He gets the TIMEX AWARD from me. David "took a lickin' & kept on tickin'", and was 100% class all the way through. It probably is time to go, though. David, you deserve better than what you get here. Thanks for your guts, your class, and for representing the city so well. I am sorry so few can see that. Best wishes wherever you end up.
Who knows? Maybe we will get Randy Moss, Micheal Vick (aka Ron Mexico) or Pacman Jones. They oughta fit in real good with some of the "fans" here.
Who knows? Maybe we will get Randy Moss, Micheal Vick (aka Ron Mexico) or Pacman Jones. They oughta fit in real good with some of the "fans" here.
Please don't forget about Kerry Collins too. If he ever came to Houston it would be a good time to invest in beer and any other adult beverage.
Texanfan4ever
Rookie
Well maybe if you feel that sllighted and feel that you have wasted all of your money, you should move on. Sell your season tickets and then you won't have too deal with it. You will feel better..
Jstspoiled
Practice Squad
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If you are a Carr fan you should see that his teammates are turning
I can't believe that D-Rob even said that, or anyone else on the team. You just don't do that..It must be nice to have a job that you can call out fellow workers. At my job I don't like alot of people but I depend on them and they depend on me. You just learn to bite your lip...Nothing happens in 24 hrs at work that I can't forget the next day... and this is just a game we watch..enjoy.... Not to get OCD over it, not to be a coach, That's just wrong...
Why don't yall talk a bunch of smack for DB's D-Rob lets people catch the ball over him. We could start the DROB haters club. With the way people think....Well we lost it's because the DB's let the other team score on them...
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I'd like to know how many Carr apologists on this board have actually spent more than, say, $250 on the Texans in the last 5 years. Seriously.
Who cares, last time I looked on my tickets it did not say that I am a stock holder...Seriously. A bunch of yall pull out the quotes from the chronical, ESPN, etc and say he is getting traded and you can't wait to post it, but when it's a player you want, or that is comming to visit and it's not about Carr the papers, or ESPN is not a good source anymore.....
OK folks there is no one out there QB that's going to come in and be better then what we have. You want to get pissed of at money issues get pissed that we cut players and still pay for them. All the player that we cut were good enough to be back ups. We paid for them we should of kept them. Not all because next year we will be better money wise.
I would still like to see Carr one more year, just to see if he picked up stuff under the new staff.
We already screwed up from last year not picking a QB, lets make sure he does not have anything....
If you are a Carr fan you should see that his teammates are turning
I can't believe that D-Rob even said that, or anyone else on the team. You just don't do that..It must be nice to have a job that you can call out fellow workers. At my job I don't like alot of people but I depend on them and they depend on me. You just learn to bite your lip...Nothing happens in 24 hrs at work that I can't forget the next day... and this is just a game we watch..enjoy.... Not to get OCD over it, not to be a coach, That's just wrong...
Why don't yall talk a bunch of smack for DB's D-Rob lets people catch the ball over him. We could start the DROB haters club. With the way people think....Well we lost it's because the DB's let the other team score on them...
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I'd like to know how many Carr apologists on this board have actually spent more than, say, $250 on the Texans in the last 5 years. Seriously.
Who cares, last time I looked on my tickets it did not say that I am a stock holder...Seriously. A bunch of yall pull out the quotes from the chronical, ESPN, etc and say he is getting traded and you can't wait to post it, but when it's a player you want, or that is comming to visit and it's not about Carr the papers, or ESPN is not a good source anymore.....
OK folks there is no one out there QB that's going to come in and be better then what we have. You want to get pissed of at money issues get pissed that we cut players and still pay for them. All the player that we cut were good enough to be back ups. We paid for them we should of kept them. Not all because next year we will be better money wise.
I would still like to see Carr one more year, just to see if he picked up stuff under the new staff.
We already screwed up from last year not picking a QB, lets make sure he does not have anything....
Navy_Chris
Rookie
I agree with you in that Dunta isn't the best cover corner out there, but he would be a lot better off if he wasn't ON THE FIELD 3/4 of the game. David has failed to move the offense, failed to get rid of balls when he needs..failed to this...failed to that....failed to do everything expected of a franchise QB.
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whiskeyrbl
Guest
If and when Carr is gone, and if the Texans don't improve.... Which player is the next INDIVIDUAL to take the blame? And to let ya'll know I too am a season ticket holder( can't afford the PSL's), however I have spent my fair share of money on the Texans on parking, concessions, jerseys, hats, and other various types of merchandise. When I go to the games I DVR them so I can watch them when I get home. All in all i would have to say that Carr is not the sole reason for this teams demise. I have seen games where Carr has done an excellent job just to have a fullback fumble away the ball. And then our MIGHTY DEFENSE trot on the field and go comatose and let the other team march down and score the winning TD. Then I have seen games that Carr has been worse than sucking and cost us the games. My point is this is a team sport, 22 people playing as a well oiled ENGINE. However we have had a few fouled spark plugs inserted by CC and company. I agree Carr is not the best QB in football but I would also say he is not the worst. Maybe we need a new QB, I don't know and anyway I don't make that decision. But what I do know is we need to upgrade quite a few positions on this team to be competitive. The new FO seems to be doing this and unfortunately it takes time.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I think I can can speak for most fans on this one. I will agree with the first paragraph if the result is he is out of here. No friggin way on paragraph two.
Never under estimate the imagination of a Carr lover.
Wolf
100% Texan
I'm not going to read this thread because I'm sick of all this from every angel.....But I do feel it's important to add my thoughts.
David Carr should not be a Texan anymore. . .The reasons why aren't important at this point, but the fact of the matter remains, it's time for everyone to part ways.
However, in no way, shape or form, should he have to endure the ugliness from "fans" that he has received.
WE are Texans, our flag stands for Pride, Courage, Strength, Tradition and Independence.
David, and the Texans may not have have been the right match for each other, but I certainly think he showed all of the above characteristics while representing this team.
As he leaves, let's show him the same.
excellent post.
Wolf
100% Texan
Mario Williams and the reason is obvious (just turn on ESPiN radio/TV whatever and what they say when we drafted him
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I could see that happening with the fickle set driven by the media.
Wolf
100% Texan
I probably have ...not in tickets because I don't have the luxury of being in houston, but in other things(shirts/mugs,etc)
I don't blame David for the whole mess I blame the previous GM...we took major steps back when we should have held on in 2005 ...P-buc for Glenn and releasing Sharper..defense went really soft (too bad the players wouldn't restructure) and drafting TJ who I am still waiting to be a Tommy Harris type player
My equivellent (mispelled but don't care to look it up this morning) of ticket sales is beer to get over the fiasco that happens at times in a game
What exactly do people want from us regarding Carr? He's a FOOTBALL player, not a little old grandma. We pay him to do a job. He doesn't do that job. He gets fired. End of story.
People expect some sort of sob story sympathies where every fan shows up holding hands outside his house singing our apologies.
The fact is that while he may go out there every play and may get up after every sack, its clear when watching his game film that losing no longer upsets him. He has lost so much in his professional career, that he EXPECTS to lose. Sure he's happy when we win, but thats even worse.
I want a QB that EXPECTS to win. One that is UPSET and ANGRY when he loses.
Remember when we won the first big game against Miami? Carr was on some ESPN Show and he actually said the phrase,
"It was weird waking up in the morning. For the first time in a while, I was like, 'hey, I dn't have to pretend to be sad today.'"
What the hell???
Is Carr a nice man? Sure. Is he a model citizen? Absolutely. Is he a great quarterback? NO!
I personally don't want to see McNair (and by McNair I mean the fans paying the ticket prices that put money into his pocket in the first place) pay a nice, model citizen 8 million bucks to watch him trip over his own feet, crawl into the fetal position before the offensive line has even come out of their stances!
People expect some sort of sob story sympathies where every fan shows up holding hands outside his house singing our apologies.
The fact is that while he may go out there every play and may get up after every sack, its clear when watching his game film that losing no longer upsets him. He has lost so much in his professional career, that he EXPECTS to lose. Sure he's happy when we win, but thats even worse.
I want a QB that EXPECTS to win. One that is UPSET and ANGRY when he loses.
Remember when we won the first big game against Miami? Carr was on some ESPN Show and he actually said the phrase,
"It was weird waking up in the morning. For the first time in a while, I was like, 'hey, I dn't have to pretend to be sad today.'"
What the hell???
Is Carr a nice man? Sure. Is he a model citizen? Absolutely. Is he a great quarterback? NO!
I personally don't want to see McNair (and by McNair I mean the fans paying the ticket prices that put money into his pocket in the first place) pay a nice, model citizen 8 million bucks to watch him trip over his own feet, crawl into the fetal position before the offensive line has even come out of their stances!
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think Mario will be a top 5 DE .
It will be hard to jump on a guy who can play .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I agree with that assessment. It will be an interesting place once the Carr fans leave.
Wolf
100% Texan
I agree but to some of the uninformed around the country and even in Texas.. ESPiN has a spell on them and on certain journalists (not to be named on here) they find a way to not see that
Stampede
Waterboy
I probably have ...not in tickets because I don't have the luxury of being in houston, but in other things(shirts/mugs,etc)
I don't blame David for the whole mess I blame the previous GM...we took major steps back when we should have held on in 2005 ...P-buc for Glenn and releasing Sharper..defense went really soft (too bad the players wouldn't restructure) and drafting TJ who I am still waiting to be a Tommy Harris type player
My equivellent (mispelled but don't care to look it up this morning) of ticket sales is beer to get over the fiasco that happens at times in a game
Wow, if this is truely the case you must be a full blown alcoholic by now.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I thought Mario was about to hit beast status against the Giants . Then his foot went south .
I would like them to get Landry to put a hit from the FS . I want to scare folks ... I want WR to have TRex arms .
I would like them to get Landry to put a hit from the FS . I want to scare folks ... I want WR to have TRex arms .
this board is crazy for its tangents. You've moved into the draft forum with this post
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Nope .... I was thinking that if Carr goes we can go from sweet to intimidating .
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
Once Carr is traded, who is the next "victim" of our opinionated fans?
That is because the force is with us my hater friend.Cann't you just feel the love.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
When Carr leaves ... can I buy your Texans shirt ?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
He does not want to renegotiate. He wants to be here as much as most of the fans want him to be here. He does not have value in today's NFL market for a trade. He will be released.
Rather than us speaking to how Carr will perform next year in a Texan's jersey, it may be best to save the "potential" arguement because most likely he will be sitting on someone's bench next year. Soft players, only get softer when adversity knocks on their door.
Wolf
100% Texan
Wow, if this is truely the case you must be a full blown alcoholic by now.
close..it is good the reg season is 16 games and not like baseball/basketball/hockey LOL
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I go to at least four games a year, tailgate, have three jersey's, numerous shirts, sweet pants, and hats.
I say that I have spent in the thousands over the last five years.
I still don't think he is a pile of crap and will do well somewhere else but I do feel its time to go.
Stampede
Waterboy
My oppinion doesnt make me any more of a fan than anyone else on this mb. It is what it is. What a boring world it would be if everyone had the same view. I respect and look forward to different points of view when I come here. It expands the mind to new possibilities. No matter what your view is, I think the majority of fans on this mb just want to see this team improve.
A Texan
Waterboy
How is it that you don't want anybody bashing Carr yet you're willing to bash Dunta and everone else who doesn't see it your way? Fans who don't want to see Carr quarterbacking the team just want the best for the Texans and are tired of the losing. I've seen the Carr worshippers bash everbody on the team as well as everbody who could possibly become a replacement for DC. They have even belittled all-pros like Flanagan, Plummer, and Young. "All he needs is just a new coaching staff" they said. That one has already been proven wrong. And no offensive line will ever be able to protect DC because he doesn't do the things necessary to avoid sacks. When Sage came in that first Titan game there were no more sacks and he almost won for us with the same OL Carr was getting sacked behind against the same defensive players. So stop with all the whining about how Carr is getting mistreated.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Good post. I've wondered alot of the same things. When it was rumored that members from the O-line were questioning if he was a leader 2 years ago, people balked. When Sharper said it, he was bitter and at the end of his career. When Walker said it, it was heat of the moment and then later from a guy who got let go. When Dunta says it, he isn't that good and gets burned. When Moulds says it, he is a disgruntled employee, just let go...even though he opted out and would have no reason to do it. Yet ALL of them said basically the EXACT same thing and people ignore it. People want to close a blind eye and think it is just a few random guys who say these things. They think after 5 years that you can just invest a ton of money in building a moat when you have already overspent on the castle which does nothing for you. I will never get why it is ok to put one person ahead of the team while other players are trying to give the public and management a message.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Kind of like there will be someone who can do no wrong despite their play and teammates say.
"this is about making the Texans better..."
ARE YOU SURE?
Saying Sage and Quinn are better than Carr is risky. I'm for improvment too. Not just change for change because poor Texans fans are mad at Carr. Your angry post exposes your blind rage and it has unbalanced you.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If in half a decade Mario Williams is no closer to the Pro Bowl than Carr is....yeah, he will hear it too. It isn't "Carr wrath", superficiality with no substance doesn't play well here. When you give a guy 60 million dollars to lead a team and he is one of your problems...yeah, he will hear it.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
He barely threw more TD passes than you did in the last ten games of the year. Its hard to be patient when your QB throws for ONE more TD pass (that mattered - he also had one in garbage time vs the Jets) than Elle did in the last ten games of the season last year...in career starts 65 to 75, so he is not spring chicken anymore. Our draft forum is full of speculation, so you can find a ton of threads on incoming kids. This is the forum to talk about the players on the current team.
Carr has been accused of many things but being "SOFT" is not one of them.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
grinning and giggling after losses is soft to me...not to be confused with durable.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You forgot placing hair around ear. Sorry, had to say it.
What are sweet pants? I've purchased a lot of gameday stuff, but haven't seen those.
I don't disagree that David is probably a nice guy, and is a model citizen, but that isn't what he is getting paid for. I thought Bledsoe was a nice guy, but I didn't need to pull out the handkerchief when he was relieved of his duties. Nice is good, but this is a business.